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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:02 pm
I can understand why Americans believe that thinking is something to be derided and stamped out.

Yes, I know this is true, but I don’t really understand why it is. Please explain this.

commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:19 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:02 pm
I can understand why Americans believe that thinking is something to be derided and stamped out.

Yes, I know this is true, but I don’t really understand why it is. Please explain this.

Because they are idiots?

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:32 pm

commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:19 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:02 pm
I can understand why Americans believe that thinking is something to be derided and stamped out.

Yes, I know this is true, but I don’t really understand why it is. Please explain this.

Because they are idiots?

Maybe it’s a dietary thing. Americans must be the world’s leaders in consuming fast grease and sugar and salt.

commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:37 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:32 pm

commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:19 pm

Yes, I know this is true, but I don’t really understand why it is. Please explain this.

Because they are idiots?

Maybe it’s a dietary thing. Americans must be the world’s leaders in consuming fast grease and sugar and salt.

True. The stupidity has increased in direct proportion to the average waistline. There is little to feed the brain in junk food and it starts in babyhood. It's a fairly recent phenomenon. Listen to the way Americans spoke in the 1970s compared to the way they talk now. Astonishing musical talent came out of the US and look at the shit it excretes now...Same applies across the spectrum.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:07 pm And logically, if there is a 'far left' then there has to be a 'far right'. No?

No, not necessarily.

Rather, it could be like Russia, that was constantly seeing "enemies of the revolution" in the Kukaks or Cossacks or Jews, or behind every bush and tree. The Left, it seems, needs no real enemies -- just powerful delusions of enemies. So it's hard to say whether there's any real opposition to the Left still around. Certainly it's darn hard to find a true "Neo-Nazi" or "Alt-Righter" around, though they are constantly invoked as the threat that justifies all sorts of Leftist excessed, riots, burnings, lootings and beatings, to say nothing of political manoeuvring and intrigue.

The allegation of a "Far Right" threat is the thing that is thought to sanctify all the Leftist abuses, making them necessary excesses adopted reluctantly to fight a deadly enemy...an enemy so looming and horrid that it cannot even be located, apparently.

Wokism isn't extreme left, or even 'left'. It's essentially a religion--the idelogical equivalent in reverse of anti-choicers (and a lot more powerful at this time), and as fanatical as any neo-Nazi.

And yet, there's no Wokism on the Right, it seems. Lots on the Left, none on the Right. That needs explaining.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:23 pm You see one side, and not the other.

Well, I would love to see the other side...if I could find it. But I have tried, and I can't. And when I ask Lefties about it, they can't really point it out, it seems. They are always thrown back upon some obscure individual case, like Timothy McVeigh, or maybe Kyle Rittenhouse, to try to make the case that the Right is going to swallow us up any minute. Or worse, they try to tell me that somebody like Nicholas Sandmann or Ben Shapiro the Orthodox Jew is one of those. It defies any sense.

In any case, Sandmann and Shapiro have started no riots. Meanwhile, major cities (run by Leftists) like Seattle, or Portland, or Atlanta, or Baltimore, or wherever, are in flames every night, because of the Leftist extremists in the streets...but I can't find the other side.

Believe me, I'm trying. And it shouldn't be hard at all. It's not like ABC or CBS or CNN would hesitate for one second to put on all the footage they could find of Right Wingers doing the same kinds of things. So if things were equal, they surely should have a ton of really damning footage...but they don't. And that's quite astonishing, if the Right Wingers are some kind of threat remotely comparable to the Radical Left right now.

But maybe not everything is actually equal there. And maybe those who are desperately trying to insist there's a "balance" are actually a bit unbalanced themselves. For it's one thing to claim that there is sometimes a balance between opposite positions; but sometimes there's just not...and insisting beyond that point is a bit lunatic.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:19 am
And yet, there's no Wokism on the Right, it seems. Lots on the Left, none on the Right. That needs explaining.

Wokies are all about image. They make themselves feel better by painting everyone ELSE as being morally inferior to themselves. Masters of projection and deflection. Masters of social media and virtue-signalling. Shallow. Hypocritical.
Actually wokism has quite a bit in common with what you call the 'right'. Two sides of the same coin...
The main difference is that wokies will jump on any bandwagon as long as it's fashionable and has virtue-signalling value.

I can understand why Americans believe that thinking is something to be derided and stamped out. It explains their whole society.

not all 'muricans, just the atavistic ones

not all thinkin', just slaver, shit-laden, thinkin', like what passes for intellectualism

not all society, just the shiny, soulless, aspect popularized by -- you guessed it -- shit-laden slavers

henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:41 am I can understand why Americans believe that thinking is something to be derided and stamped out. It explains their whole society.

not all 'muricans, just the atavistic ones

not all thinkin', just slaver, shit-laden, thinkin', like what passes for intellectualism

not all society, just the shiny, soulless, aspect popularized by -- you guessed it -- shit-laden slavers

You illustrate an example of Veggie’s point. There was a time when punctuation, capitalization and spelling counted. not so in ‘murka these days

commonsense wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:13 am

henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:41 am I can understand why Americans believe that thinking is something to be derided and stamped out. It explains their whole society.

not all 'muricans, just the atavistic ones

not all thinkin', just slaver, shit-laden, thinkin', like what passes for intellectualism

not all society, just the shiny, soulless, aspect popularized by -- you guessed it -- shit-laden slavers

You illustrate an example of Veggie’s point. There was a time when punctuation, capitalization and spelling counted. not so in ‘murka these days

don't confuse minimalistic style with ignorance...or do...I don't care either way

henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:19 am

commonsense wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:13 am

henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:41 am I can understand why Americans believe that thinking is something to be derided and stamped out. It explains their whole society.

not all 'muricans, just the atavistic ones

not all thinkin', just slaver, shit-laden, thinkin', like what passes for intellectualism

not all society, just the shiny, soulless, aspect popularized by -- you guessed it -- shit-laden slavers

You illustrate an example of Veggie’s point. There was a time when punctuation, capitalization and spelling counted. not so in ‘murka these days

don't confuse minimalistic style with ignorance...or do...I don't care either way

It’s good that you don’t care, because minimalistic style looks the same as ignorance.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:33 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:19 am
And yet, there's no Wokism on the Right, it seems. Lots on the Left, none on the Right. That needs explaining.

Wokies are all about image. They make themselves feel better by painting everyone ELSE as being morally inferior to themselves. Masters of projection and deflection. Masters of social media and virtue-signalling. Shallow. Hypocritical.

The main difference is that wokies will jump on any bandwagon as long as it's fashionable and has virtue-signalling value.

All of that is true, I think. The part I'm having trouble believing, for lack of evidence, is...

Actually wokism has quite a bit in common with what you call the 'right'.

Can you point me to where Right-wing "wokism" is to be found?

commonsense wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:28 am

henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:19 am

commonsense wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:13 am

You illustrate an example of Veggie’s point. There was a time when punctuation, capitalization and spelling counted. not so in ‘murka these days

don't confuse minimalistic style with ignorance...or do...I don't care either way

It’s good that you don’t care, because minimalistic style looks the same as ignorance.

I don't care

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:31 am I would love to see the other side...if I could find it.

How is it that you think you know so much about something you claim not to see? You hurl accusations all the time at something that sounds like your own demented imagination, or your extraordinarily limited exposure. So, clearly, you think you're seeing something.

Just because you don't see or agree with another path or view, doesn't mean it has no merit... it just means that you don't see what else is there. You claim to be trying... but you do not apply the same rigorous questioning and accountability to the ideas that you prefer. Rather, you demand that other paths or views must meet your skewed standards... and then you congratulate yourself on being right when they fail. It's absurdly transparent and self-serving reasoning on your part.

There are many paths to the same "places". And not every destination is at it seems. So it would be a lot more truthful for you to question all of it, rather than making up your one-sided stories of good and bad, which unsurprisingly position you on the side of good.

Lacewing

There are many paths to the same "places". And not every destination is at it seems. So it would be a lot more truthful for you to question all of it, rather than making up your one-sided stories of good and bad, which unsurprisingly position you on the side of good.

"By Any means possible"

"The ends justify the means."

These are slogans resulting inevitably in collective statist slavery There are many paths leading to statist slavery but just one that can lead to sustaining liberty. Do you know what that is?