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vegetariantaxidermy wrote:You just had to go and spoil it. You are obviously just one of those kind of people.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:I can't find a single mention of the word 'context' in that video. Of course the word 'context' has its place, (in the right context ) but I can't decipher what your point is here. Is it so difficult to explain yourself clearly?

uwot » Wed May 10, 2017 8:59 am wrote:I think it is clear that 'political correctness' means different things to different people. I agree that there are 'politically correct' people, ranging from the smug to the violent, that need to be resisted. In my opinion, they are playing into the hands of Brexiters, Trump, the Alt-Right, religious fundamentalists and associated right wing nuts, by giving them the headlines they need to support their narrative, that freedom of speech is under attack, by anyone to the left of Mussolini. After all, few people look at more than the headlines.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Pinker is far too intelligent to talk in riddles.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Niggger only means black.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Perhaps the country of Nigeria should be banned.

uwot wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:You just had to go and spoil it. You are obviously just one of those kind of people.

What exactly have I spoilt?

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:I can't find a single mention of the word 'context' in that video. Of course the word 'context' has its place, (in the right context ) but I can't decipher what your point is here. Is it so difficult to explain yourself clearly?

That's not for me to judge. What don't you understand about this, for example?

uwot » Wed May 10, 2017 8:59 am wrote:I think it is clear that 'political correctness' means different things to different people. I agree that there are 'politically correct' people, ranging from the smug to the violent, that need to be resisted. In my opinion, they are playing into the hands of Brexiters, Trump, the Alt-Right, religious fundamentalists and associated right wing nuts, by giving them the headlines they need to support their narrative, that freedom of speech is under attack, by anyone to the left of Mussolini. After all, few people look at more than the headlines.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Pinker is far too intelligent to talk in riddles.

Be that as it may, he was clearly, to me at least, referring to the change in meaning of 'political correctness'. Since the term can have at least two meanings, it is only the context that will make clear which is being referred to.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Niggger only means black.

Personally, I have never seen or heard it used to mean that.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Perhaps the country of Nigeria should be banned.

Well, if that is a serious suggestion, what do you think that could achieve?

uwot wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Niggger only means black.

Personally, I have never seen or heard it used to mean that.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Do we have to rehash it all AGAIN!

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Niggger only means black.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:And Pinker didn't 'mean' that at all. He was perfectly clear.

uwot wrote:...he was clearly, to me at least, referring to the change in meaning of 'political correctness'.

uwot wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Do we have to rehash it all AGAIN!

This bit is brand new:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Niggger only means black.

I cannot believe your life has been so sheltered that you actually believe that. What possible motive could you have for making such a claim?

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:And Pinker didn't 'mean' that at all. He was perfectly clear.

As I said:

uwot wrote:...he was clearly, to me at least, referring to the change in meaning of 'political correctness'.

thedoc wrote:

uwot wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Niggger only means black.

Personally, I have never seen or heard it used to mean that.

Negro is a term that is used to identify a certain artist paint, I believe it is the French term for Black.

uwot wrote:The point I am making is that there are right wing opportunists, who are exploiting self righteous idiots to make any expression of 'political correctness' an affront to freedom of speech.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:The fact that it's true?

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Niggger only means black.

uwot wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:The fact that it's true?

Do you mean:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Niggger only means black.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:That's what the word means.

uwot wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:That's what the word means.

No it doesn't.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:What does it mean then?

thedoc wrote:

ForCruxSake wrote:
That's interesting. What has been the difference for you, qualitatively, in practical terms? How did you feel before and how did you feel after?

When I was first diagnosed I was very short of breath, I couldn't even walk up one flight of stairs without stopping half way up to catch my breath, I couldn't carry on a conversation without gasping for breath. Now I have little or no trouble climbing a flight of stairs, and conversation is not a problem, but I have noticed that I can't sing for more than one or 2 songs without getting a bit dizzy. I believe that just after I developed the condition my heart wasn't pumping very well and the muscle cells would run out of oxygen, my heart probably started beating faster and harder but wasn't doing much good. So my body signaled for me to breath faster to try and get more oxygen. All that has gotten much better on just proper medication, I avoided open heart surgery to replace the Mitral valve, (there wasn't really anything wrong with it, the left ventricle was enlarged and wouldn't let it close correctly). My 1st cardiologist insisted that I needed surgery to replace the valve, but as I said there was nothing wrong with the valve. Prior to the diagnosis I would be loading wood onto my pickup truck and about 3/4 of the way through, I had enough and I blamed it on the heat, but now I can see that it was my heart condition that was effecting me. Now I'm about 10 years older and I take a bit longer to do things, on purpose, I have learned to pace myself and still get things done, just not as much as I used to. I'm really not sure how much is the heart condition and how much is just age. FYI I turned 70 in Jan. so that might be part of it.

uwot wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:What does it mean then?

Well, as I'm sure you appreciate by now, that depends on the context. There is no context, that I can imagine, in which n***** just means black and certainly none that I have read or heard. Since n***** has always meant black, in your experience, perhaps you could give an example.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:That's what it means.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:What do you think it means?

uwot wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:That's what it means.

No it doesn't.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:What do you think it means?

It depends on the context. In what context does it only mean black?