henry quirk wrote:
Is it easier to imagine a guy being convinced he's been born into the wrong sexed body?
It's not my business to imagine it. If that's the way these people say they feel and the medical profession takes that seriously then it's not for the likes of me to tell them they're wrong. It must be bad enough being in that situation without some bone head telling them they are freaks.
The logical side of me has to ask how they know that they 'feel' like a woman? How do they know what that feels like? Having observed men's cartoonish view of women (how many women would be satisfied with a blow-up man doll??) I'm just a bit sceptical. They might want to be women, but that's hardly the same thing. And giving a label to real women (derogatory) would indicate that they have no affinity with them and even a certain amount of contempt. Oh face it. Men are all freaks.
Don't you get it? According to Harbal, it's not your place to question their 'feeeeelings' (especially if professionals take those 'feeeeelings' seriously).
If Lou believes he's a gal (and doctors agree), then you must agree, or you're a bigot.
Generalized out: any self-assessment trumps reality and any subjective assessment of reality trumps objective reality and reality is just an opinion anyway.
So if you think you're 'this' or 'that' (and you find an authority to back you up), then -- by golly -- you are! To hell with the facts of the circumstance and to hell with 'what is'.
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Don't you get it? According to Harbal, it's not your place to question their 'feeeeelings' .
If Lou believes he's a gal, you must agree, or you're a bigot.
Generalized out: any self-assessment trumps reality and any subjective assessment of reality trumps objective reality and reality is just an opinion anyway.
So if you think you're 'this' or 'that', then -- by golly -- you are! To hell with the facts of the circumstance.
Why do you care so much henry? Have you had a bad experience or something? Maybe you once put your hand up a girl's skirt, only to find yourself holding a handful of dick. Now I can see why something like that might prejudice one's point of view.
I just have a fondness for reality (facts) and a problem with being told lies are truth and that if I don't accept the lie as truth then sumthin' is wrong with me.
If a man thinks he's a girl and spends his bucks chemically, hormonally, and surgically mutillating himself to affect the appearance of a girl, thst's fine by me.
What's not fine by me is that man telling me I must accept him as a girl when I damn well know he is a 'he'.
Gender is rooted in biology, not culture...XY is XY even in high heels and a dress.
Joe, a white man, sez he's black, sez he 'feels' like a black man, sez he's a black man in a white man's body. He darkens his skin, flattens his nose, crimps his hair.
Is Joe black or deluded?
Stan, a black man, sez he's white, sez he 'feels' like a white man, sez he's a white man in a black man's body. He bleaches his skin, opts for a european nose, straightens his hair.
Is Stan white or deluded?
Lou, a man, sez he's a woman, sez he 'feels' like a woman, sez he's a woman in a man's body. He chemically, hormonally, surgically, alters himself to appear as a woman.
The most comfortable person in his skin that I can think of would have to be Eddie Izzard. Very masculine, attractive funny man. All male as a man, and still all male in female attire and makeup. They both look 'right' on him. Yes, you get extremely feminine males who seem to be that way from birth. But you also have very masculine males deciding late in life that they are 'women'.
It's such a complex topic that perhaps it shouldn't even be a topic, and it might never be fully understood. I think uptight, puritanical Americans could learn a lot from the Samoans.
''Izzard identifies as "a straight transvestite or a male lesbian". He has also described himself as "a lesbian trapped in a man's body.''
henry quirk wrote:Joe, a white man, sez he's black, sez he 'feels' like a black man, sez he's a black man in a white man's body. He darkens his skin, flattens his nose, crimps his hair.
Stan, a black man, sez he's white, sez he 'feels' like a white man, sez he's a white man in a black man's body. He bleaches his skin, opts for a european nose, straightens his hair.
Lou, a man, sez he's a woman, sez he 'feels' like a woman, sez he's a woman in a man's body. He chemically, hormonally, surgically, alters himself to appear as a woman.
You've got some weird friends, henry, but strangely, it doesn't surprise me.
Don't you get it? According to Harbal, it's not your place to question their 'feeeeelings' .
If Lou believes he's a gal, you must agree, or you're a bigot.
Generalized out: any self-assessment trumps reality and any subjective assessment of reality trumps objective reality and reality is just an opinion anyway.
So if you think you're 'this' or 'that', then -- by golly -- you are! To hell with the facts of the circumstance.
Why do you care so much henry? Have you had a bad experience or something? Maybe you once put your hand up a girl's skirt, only to find yourself holding a handful of dick. Now I can see why something like that might prejudice one's point of view.
She was a real 'snake in the grass (skirt)', was she?
Btw, she probably didn't walk away feeling prejudiced. Just a little abused.
Henry, I get it. You're not into chicks with dicks. Your virtue is secure. As are your 'big boy pants'. Feel free to keep them on.
Hobbes' Choice wrote:There are no citations on page one.
I'll wait while you find them.
Someone tell this idiot that slapping on the name of a research establishment does not constitute a citation.
Thanks.
Without the ability to understand the conditions of the study (if their ever was one), or to know to whom the study was directed, and where, the numbers are meaningless.
Even if we take the last stat. at face value, would mean that for 30% of kids thinking about transgender it does not go away. Depending on what is meant by considering transgender (which could include most children). 20-30% is a huge number.
