What music are you listening to?

[promethean75]

But listen, on a good day in a guitary mood if I've got some good herb and we're fuckin around in a key I'm familiar with and i get into one of my zones... bro, i could smoke Frank on guitar (for a few seconds). Frank knows this because he was with me (in spirit) in my prime and he's heard me in the zone.

[promethean75]

However, the horrible truth is this: having a moment on guitar doesn't mean shit if you don't know what you're doing. Any guitarist can noodle around on a guitar and play something that sounds good... but can he do it again if called upon? Just like that, the same way. Does he even remember what he did? Could he explain to another guitarist what he did so that the guitarist could play it?

In my case, the answers are sorta, very unlikely, kinda, absolutely not.

[Gary Childress]

Hope Darst
Peace Be Still

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsIpGiz3SfQ

[promethean75]

^^^ that is why you are dying inside, Gary. The hopeless self-empowering charade of some puny little suffering thing that has finally gathered to courage to suffer no more! I've never felt such inner strength as I feel hearing the voice of this beautiful, courageous woman.

I'm not gonna cry anymore more, Gary. No, I'm not gonna cry anymore.

To hell with being still. Two red flags in a song title. Peace and Still. What we need is war and motion.

[Gary Childress]

What we need is war and motion.

I hope not. Seems like a bad idea to me. Perhaps peace and motion would be better?

[promethean75]

As long as there is motion, there is war at a most fundamental level. Objects competing for space, drawing boundaries between themselves and other objects, forces transfered between them that can be so trememdous they smash and destroy each other. Hadrons colliding at unthinkable speeds. Nuclei loosing rogue electrons. Gravity pulling in and devouring smaller objects. Bumping into the guy in front of you at the stop light and disfigured the molecular bonds that form the plastic of his bumper. Animal bodies burning food particle calories like they were prisoner's sat in the electric chair. Vegetable scraps in the compost heap and their slow, agonizing biodegraded death. It's all incredibly violent, Gary. This is a violent world all because shit is moving around. But if it ever stops... why, everything would freeze and cease to be, cease to become, cease to move! Heraclitus was right, my friend. All is war.

[Gary Childress]

As long as there is motion, there is war at a most fundamental level. Objects competing for space, drawing boundaries between themselves and other objects, forces transfered between them that can be so trememdous they smash and destroy each other. Hadrons colliding at unthinkable speeds. Nuclei loosing rogue electrons. Gravity pulling in and devouring smaller objects. Bumping into the guy in front of you at the stop light and disfigured the molecular bonds that form the plastic of his bumper. Animal bodies burning food particle calories like they were prisoner's sat in the electric chair. Vegetable scraps in the compost heap and their slow, agonizing biodegraded death. It's all incredibly violent, Gary. This is a violent world all because shit is moving around. But if it ever stops... why, everything would freeze and cease to be, cease to become, cease to move! Heraclitus was right, my friend. All is war.

Is "argument" and "war" the same thing?

[promethean75]

Without a doubt, sir. By 'arguing' i try to impose my epistemic force on you, see. I'm demanding of you "this is what that word means! This is what you should believe! This is what is a true account of x!"

But why... why should i be right? I can't know if i am, but i must talk as if I'm right, and that supplication, that stance, is genuinely combative. The philosopher wishes to take possession of the very thinking of his interlocutor. Even now, i am attempting to pwn you and violating your consent because i am telling you "x is y" without the slightest concern, nor even real awareness, of what you think about the matter. I feel terrible about this, but i didn't design reality, and it was like this when i got here.

The only reason philosophy even works is because the principle of charity. We treat our conversationists as if they are truly wanting to explain something and that that something is there to be figured out, and we grant them a voice... but none of us know wtf we're talking about, and we're just playing language games.

You think Socrates cared about the truth? No way, Gary. He just enjoyed killing softly with argument.

[Gary Childress]

Without a doubt, sir. By 'arguing' i try to impose my epistemic force on you, see. I'm demanding of you "this is what that word means! This is what you should believe! This is what is a true account of x!"

But why... why should i be right? I can't know if i am, but i must talk as if I'm right, and that supplication, that stance, is genuinely combative. The philosopher wishes to take possession of the very thinking of his interlocutor. Even now, i am attempting to pwn you and violating your consent because i am telling you "x is y" without the slightest concern, nor even real awareness, of what you think about the matter. I feel terrible about this, but i didn't design reality, and it was like this when i got here.

The only reason philosophy even works is because the principle of charity. We treat our conversationists as if they are truly wanting to explain something and that that something is there to be figured out, and we grant them a voice... but none of us know wtf we're talking about, and we're just playing language games.

You think Socrates cared about the truth? No way, Gary. He just enjoyed killing softly with argument.

That is one interpretation of the "real" Socrates that I've heard. Maybe Plato's depiction is a little too "good" to be true. But either way, I think a Socrates who was the wisest man in Athens as the Oracle told and who told us in the Crito (IIRC) that he "knew what he did not know" is a more worthy hero to admire. If Socrates was just Nietzsche's ugly trouble maker who loved to talk everyone into the dirt, then that's not very virtuous.

That doesn't mean that a person can't be like the Platonic Socrates which is more virtuous. Either way, valuing wisdom seems better than valuing what amounts to little more than intellectual vandalism.

Either the real Socrates is to be admired or not admired. If he was like Plato's Socrates then that seems admirable to me. And if he wasn't, then lets try to uphold Plato's version of a wise person. BTW many scholars used to be of the mind that Plato's early dialogues (which included the Crito and Apology) were more indicative of the real Socrates. Not sure if that's still the prevailing interpretation or not.

[promethean75]

"bro, i could smoke Frank on guitar"

I may have to withdraw that comment I think I got a little carried away there in all my imagined glory. I had forgotten to consider what happens when Frank gets into the zone. Yeah no I can't make an SG sound like that.

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx2DnsSpgQZJ ... UafDTHwjYd

[promethean75]

You see what I mean though. Frank stays in that pentatonic whole note blues area (I think I'm calling it right)... but he shreds the fuck out of that scale while he's in there.

[promethean75]

Here's a zone moment for Frank. He never plays like this so he must have had some strong coffee or something while recording this solo. But I know the feeling when you're in it and you start doing shit you normally don't do. This is a little known song off the Lather album.

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx7e0DWPmcZQ ... 9R2NqFdTJb

[promethean75]

Here he goes on Zombie Woof live. Lol listen to Mars (keyboardist) play those dizzy bird sounds when Frank gets that feedback at the beginning of his solo. Nah I gotta give it up to the maestro. He killed this song.

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxA7qAC_Rw3l ... PFKTBNVfoD

[iambiguous]

Richard Burmer
Across The View
https://youtu.be/CiFiagAgQV8?si=8EwzQoJpuVxhHmpX

[iambiguous]

Parachute Club
Innuendo
https://youtu.be/nlTKhgZtG2g?si=_D0MANDvUvIawcB4