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Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 1:34 pm

Age wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 12:32 pm …so give people some slack, we all have a not so nice mean side.

Well, Age, has supposedely transcended all that.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 1:34 pm Transcended all of 'what', exactly?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 1:34 pm

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 1:34 pm And, what are you basing this claim of yours here on, exactly?

Well, long ago you referred to yourself, in response to my using one of the words from that root, that way. And then other comments over time that supported this idea. But hey, if I was wrong and you have a not so nice mean side, please let us know. That will be cutting directly to the truth of the matter: do you have a not so nice mean side?

All of this here is misquoted to much for me to want to respond to it.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 1:34 pm

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:59 am

I’m fucking sick of the hypocrisy that is human idolisation.

I'm sick of the would-be gurus coming in here on their power trips.

Now her is a prime example of why the human beings, back then, when this was being written, took so very, very long.

It was this APE-thinking that was holding and keeping them back.

Clearly he has no negative judgments of human beings, lol (metaphorically, I actually merely cracked a smile).

Why 'this one' continues to presume, and believe, true, what is absolutely not, is already fully known, and understood.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 4:15 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 3:37 pm ''Love is anxiety. Attachment is suffering. Life is suffering. Relationships are two insecure individuals that use and tolerate each other for their own selfish needs and wants all for the fear of being alone. They are all toxic on some level and narcissistically controlled by one. This is not love and this is no way to live but most and many do out of fear. All relationships are full of lies, deceit and manipulative manipulation due to hate which comes from fear. Everything we do is out of fear. If everyone truly knew what everyone was thinking then no one would have any friends and relationships would not be a thing. Fantasies are cheating. Everyone has fantasies. Trust no one ever.''

That's certainly the way things have been for many, but there has also been genuine love, even in relationships with those aspects.

And, what is so-called 'genuine love', exactly?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 4:15 pm Life has anxiety. I don't think love is anxiety, though what people call love often has anxiety in it. I've had relationships that ended and there were problems, but I am so glad I was with them,

Why would you, and why did you, end relationships?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 4:15 pm A few are still my friend, even if there is not so much contact. One called me when she was considering a medical procedure. We hadn't talked for several years, but she realized she trusted me and I was pretty good with medical jargon. She laughed when she realized that, given that it was an operation on the eyes and I have a kind of phobia of being hurt in the eyes, this would be a challenge for me. A nice laugh. It took an hour to go through all the side effects. She thanked me and said I was probably the only person she could really call and that felt good. I root for her; she roots for me. She supported me when my wife was sick. We really met, back then. We really did. Was everything open and honest? No. I mean, I didn't know myself particularly well then. I didn't even need to think to keep some secrets, I kept them from myself. But was there a real connection? Yes. Was there love? Yes.

And, what is 'love', exactly?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 4:15 pm Trust no one ever. Well, generally I think that's a bad attitude. But for some people, who trust too much, that might be a good thing to temporarily conclude or hear. I don't think truths are so much in words, but what do the words do. Trusting isn't switch we turn on and off.

I am so happy I have trusted people even if I did it too much with some. I have gotten better at getting who to trust and how much. Imagining a life where I did not trust anyone....for me, why bother living?

But none of this is rosy perfect, everthing is great in relationships and how any particular person needs to adjust their way of relating...that could be almost anything.

But I'll say again: words are acts, sentences are acts. Yes, we can imagine them as containers of truth or not. But in the end it is what they do. That might be the perfect thing for someone to hear, especially if they opened up too much to the wrong people, for example. But I think it's only looking at part of love, and seeking perfection, all or nothing. Somebody got hurt bad. You can get hurt bad walking in the woods, but I am going back there again. I've been hurt bad in relationships, but I want one, this one. I got no rule for others. We're way too diverse. And life is anxiety and sometimes terror. Man, it's nice to be held in those times. To have someone who has to listen, ha ha. No that never works. Who actually wants to listen, is still curious about me and my thoughts and especially feelings after so many years. And who knows pretty much all my faults to the point of wanting to scream sometimes and does. Also.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 10:42 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:33 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:19 am

Do 'you' feel satisfied with your attempts to garnish support from others for your continual quest against 'me'?

Huh. I was asking you about your behavior.

LOL

So, you were, supposedly, asking me about some.behavior related to some absolutely False and Wrong presumption of yours.

What you were actually doing is obvious.

Well, please demonstrate how you know I was garnishing support. Because I wasn't. It was your awareness I was focused on and your behavior. No one else's. But prove to me I was, through that post, garnishing support.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 11:46 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:09 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:02 am


Shhhh! Be still. And know thyself.

likewise
and pass it on to Age.

Why did 'you' say to pass it on to 'me' for, exactly?

She understood.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:09 pm So, once again, what 'we' can clearly see here is another excuse for not just clarifying.

I don't need, nor did I give, an excuse for not clarifying to you what I said to someone else. But please prove that it was an excuse.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 6:03 am

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 4:35 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 8:40 am No, I'm not in the same space with him. His words are in my mind, not even as concrete as finding some stranger's hair in my shower drain. I'm sorry, I am embodied. Physical presence, the sound of a voice, they way someone stands, and, well, if I'm close to them and like them, their doft, that all connects me, to people. I am social mammaling my way here through reality, my emotions are connect to the physical. People can manage to hide from me online. They can.

I was born like this. Cut me some slack.

Haha 'born like this'.

Do you understand the reference? Do you know who I was quoting here? Do you notice when you assume things?

Once again, what do you assume, or believe, I have assumed absolutely anywhere here?

I will give you this whole forum for you to pick from to find those items when you believe I have assumed some thing.

All I ask is that you just be very, very specific about what 'it' is, exactly, that you believe I have assumed.

If you do not, now, do this, then why not?

By the way, yes, and, yes for the other two

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:30 pm Why 'this one' continues to presume, and believe, true, what is absolutely not, is already fully known, and understood.

Nothing of substance here.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:59 pm

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 6:03 am

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 4:35 am

Haha 'born like this'.

Do you understand the reference? Do you know who I was quoting here? Do you notice when you assume things?

Once again, what do you assume, or believe, I have assumed absolutely anywhere here?

I will give you this whole forum for you to pick from to find those items when you believe I have assumed some thing.

All I ask is that you just be very, very specific about what 'it' is, exactly, that you believe I have assumed.

If you do not, now, do this, then why not?

By the way, yes, and, yes for the other two

Great, you understood the reference and whom I was quoting. It seems like you understood, then, my intention in saying it. I am glad you found it funny, since it was, in part, meant to be funny.

Did you respond 'Haha 'born like this' when it was used by someone else? If not, why not? You clearly knew what I was referring to, so you must have read it?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 6:06 am

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 4:37 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 8:48 am but others, with their ways of expressing themselves in words, I can almost see them, they are less censored. The human pours through. Then empathy comes. I sense the social mammal. You want to kill off the social mammal in yoursefl, it's hard for me to feel through some letters on the screan. But unlike many, I know the difference between cognitive empathy and direct emotional empathy. I could pretend that the former was the latter and say I feel empthy right now for Age's persona and the Ken typing those words. That'd make me sound like a nicer guy, maybe, but it'd be pretending.

But, that does not make 'you' sound like a 'nicer guy', at all. Well not to me anyway.

Nice vague reference: 'that'. Some might say you don't notice when you do things you are critical of others for doing.

LOL
LOL
LOL

I have been doing this very thing many, many times.

And, doing it at times while also pointing out that you have absolutely no clue as to what I am talking about.

I have also done this many times in direct response to when you have done it, but you appeared to have never recognised nor noticed it. Well at least you have never picked up on it and responded it before.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 6:20 am

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 5:21 am I wonder if 'this one' could focus on, 'look at', and 'judge me' anymore here. While all the time completely neglecting to 'look at' its own doings and habits, here.

I don't think the first sentence quite says what you intended.

The first sentence appears to be saying, exactly, what I intended.

OK, well, after looking at the sentence, now a second time, my guess is that you meant 'any where' - two words - rather than what you wrote (anywhere).

Will you please explain to me, and to the readers here, how you are 'seeing', and more so 'seeing' on a second time of looking, the word 'anywhere', anywhere in that sentence?

Or, are you not seeing that word any where in that sentence?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 6:20 am These function differently in sentences, and if you meant 'any more' (two words) it would still be a bit unclear: 'any more than he does already here' would be clearer.

Why did you add a word here that I would never ever use and mean?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 6:20 amBut perhaps you didn't mean 'any more' but then there is another problem with that sentence.

Okay.

But you appear to have completely forgotten what I have already informed you before about this.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 6:20 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:37 pm Oh, goodness, I look at my own doings here and elsewhere with great regularity.

you doing something with 'great regularity' does not mean that you are doing it 'greatly'.

Nor even Accurately and Correctly, at all.

Also, what do you find, see, and discover, when you, supposedly, look at your own doings, with 'great regularity'

You said I was neglecting to look. I pointed out this was false. These other claims are false on your part. Well, if you'd actually managed to make the claims.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:37 pm And I live with someone who calls me on my shit, which I appreciate.

Why are you so-called 'doing your shit'?

And, how often do they, (have to), 'call you' on 'your shit'?

Always looking for a way to judge or drop wisdom from above, aren't ya. Why on earth would I discuss something like this with you?

If you say so. But this might be, exactly, why someone calls you on 'your shit', right?

and the reason people call you on your shit, Age.

you appear to have completely and utterly Wrongly assumed, here, again.

What were you assuming I was referring to, exactly?

More games. Instead of taking a direct step and saying what you were referring to and how I was wrong, you try to get more text to judge.

The vastly more common human habit of taking such steps actually arrives more quickly at the rub, and further, it allows for more equal responsibility and justification. Something you avoid, though I do understand that you don't notice this. I think you are being 'honest' when you deny such avoidance. And it's OK if you don't understand this, because I am not necessary writing this with you as the intended audience.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:03 pm

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 6:06 am

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 4:37 am

But, that does not make 'you' sound like a 'nicer guy', at all. Well not to me anyway.

Nice vague reference: 'that'. Some might say you don't notice when you do things you are critical of others for doing.

I have been doing this very thing many, many times.

And, doing it at times while also pointing out that you have absolutely no clue as to what I am talking about.

I have also done this many times in direct response to when you have done it, but you appeared to have never recognised nor noticed it. Well at least you have never picked up on it and responded it before.

Oh, yes, I truly believe you only started doing this in reaction to me. It didn't happen with some regularity in response to others and not intentionally. I am convinced.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:15 pm Will you please explain to me, and to the readers here, how you are 'seeing', and more so 'seeing' on a second time of looking, the word 'anywhere', anywhere in that sentence?

Yup, that was a typo on my part. But in the orginal sentence you mean 'any more' didn't you. Two words. Not 'anymore'. You used 'anymore' and that makes the sentence incorrect and confusing.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 5:21 am
I wonder if 'this one' could focus on, 'look at', and 'judge me' anymore here. While all the time completely neglecting to 'look at' its own doings and habits, here.

Did you really mean to use 'anymore* or did you mean 'any more', two words? In any case with anymore it makes no sense.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:49 pm And, what is so-called 'genuine love', exactly?

I don't see any reason to discuss this with you. But I have a suggestion. If you responded to that quote that Fairy had in her post, I might see a way to have a discussion with you of the issues it raises. Then I can see your thoughts and potentially feelings as you can see mine above.
Here's the quote, should you have any interest:

Fairy quoted: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 3:37 pm
''Love is anxiety. Attachment is suffering. Life is suffering. Relationships are two insecure individuals that use and tolerate each other for their own selfish needs and wants all for the fear of being alone. They are all toxic on some level and narcissistically controlled by one. This is not love and this is no way to live but most and many do out of fear. All relationships are full of lies, deceit and manipulative manipulation due to hate which comes from fear. Everything we do is out of fear. If everyone truly knew what everyone was thinking then no one would have any friends and relationships would not be a thing. Fantasies are cheating. Everyone has fantasies. Trust no one ever.''

If you already directly responded to quote, let me know and I'll read your response to it.

The same goes for the other questions you asked in response to my response to that quote and Fairy asking me about it. If you'd like to give your reactions to that post, I might see a way to have a discussion I would find useful.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 6:20 am

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 5:21 am
you doing something with 'great regularity' does not mean that you are doing it 'greatly'.

Nor even Accurately and Correctly, at all.

Also, what do you find, see, and discover, when you, supposedly, look at your own doings, with 'great regularity'

You said I was neglecting to look. I pointed out this was false. These other claims are false on your part. Well, if you'd actually managed to make the claims.

Well, since I never made that claim, what you say and claim here is, also, completely moot.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 6:20 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:37 pm And I live with someone who calls me on my shit, which I appreciate.

Why are you so-called 'doing your shit'?

And, how often do they, (have to), 'call you' on 'your shit'?

Always looking for a way to judge or drop wisdom from above, aren't ya.

What are you even on about here, now? you, really, do not notice just how much your own unverified and unclarified presumptions and beliefs lead you completely and utterly astray.

you said that when you do your so-called 'shit' that you get so-called 'called out on your shit'. So, I just asked you politely, and curiously, how often both of these things happen, for clarification sake only.

Nothing more, and, nothing less.

So, any thing presumed otherwise is all just moot.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 6:20 am Why on earth would I discuss something like this with you?

Because you brought it up and raised it in an open public forum.

Once again I will suggest that if some one does not have the actual irrefutable proof of or for some thing that they raise and claim here, or do not want to just clarify what they say and claim here, then just do not say and write in a public forum, and especially more so in a philosophy forum of all places

Why do some the people here, in these days when this is being written find this so hard or to complete to comprehend and understand?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 6:20 am

If you say so. But this might be, exactly, why someone calls you on 'your shit', right?

and the reason people call you on your shit, Age.

But, no one has ever actually called me.on my actual 'shit'.

But, then again, maybe you are meaning, and referring to, something else entirely.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 6:20 am

you appear to have completely and utterly Wrongly assumed, here, again.

What were you assuming I was referring to, exactly?

More games. Instead of taking a direct step and saying what you were referring to and how I was wrong, you try to get more text to judge.

It was never up to me to directly say what I was referring to.

Look "iwannaplato" you made an assumption that I was referring to some thing, and you claimed that I was referring to some thing. So, now it is up to you to back up, support, and to prove that 'your assumption' and 'your claim' is actually true, right, accurate, and/or correct.

Or, you could have done, and could even still do now, and that is just seek out and obtain actual clarification, and thus clarity, before you go off making False and Wrong accusations and claims.

Again, this is all so easy and very simple here.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 6:20 am The vastly more common human habit of taking such steps actually arrives more quickly at the rub, and further, it allows for more equal responsibility and justification.

So, it is, again, the other ones fault why this one makes False and Wrong assumptions.

This one has so many excuses for just making False and Wrong assumptions, before obtaining actual clarity.

Also, it was some of the 'common habit/s' of adult human beings, back in the 'olden days' when this was being written, why those people, back then, took so, so long to, also, discover and/or learn, comprehend, and understand, what the actual irrefutable Truth of things is, exactly. Which, by the way, is why I am using 'these people', here, in this forum, to show and prove, irrefutably, what needed changing, and needs to be refrained from, that is; if 'we' all really do want do want to create and live in 'the world' that 'we' Truly do want, and desire.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 6:20 am Something you avoid, though I do understand that you don't notice this.

LOL It does not matter how many times I inform this one that I, obviously, notice this because I am, actually, doing this purposely, which I have also informed this one of many times as well. And, it is, now, absolutely obvious and clear that this one, still, has absolutely no idea nor clue as to why I, purposely, do this. Again, even though I have informed this one of why, many times also.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 6:20 am I think you are being 'honest' when you deny such avoidance.

LOL I have never even denied such avoidance. In fact I have, on numerous occasions, directly informed you, and others, about how I have been and am doing this, on purpose, as well as about the very reasons why I do this.

And, the fact that you have completely and utterly, continually, missed this goes to show and prove, irrefutably, what I have said so far, and will explain in more detail, about how and why the human brain works in the way' that it does. Which, by the way, further explains and is self-proving of why you have continually been missing and misunderstanding here.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 6:20 am And it's OK if you don't understand this, because I am not necessary writing this with you as the intended audience.

Okay.

So, who is your, supposed, 'intended audience', here, exactly?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:57 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 10:42 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:33 am Huh. I was asking you about your behavior.

LOL

So, you were, supposedly, asking me about some.behavior related to some absolutely False and Wrong presumption of yours.

What you were actually doing is obvious.

Well, please demonstrate how you know I was garnishing support.

But, how does one 'garnish' support, exactly?

Also noted is that you did not acknowledge nor admit that you were asking 'me' about some, alleged, behavior, which I was not even doing, but which was existing in your own imagination only

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:57 pm Because I wasn't.

Okay, if you say and claim that you were not 'garnishing' support, then I am not going to disagree with this.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:57 pm It was your awareness I was focused on and your behavior. No one else's. But prove to me I was, through that post, garnishing support.

Again, how can one prove that another was, or was not, 'garnishing' support, exactly?

Also, how you were 'garnering' support was by the way you were using words, and/or names, above here.