Age wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:46 am
But why would I want to learn some thing, which is Truly unnecessary in Life, and even more so in a philosophy forum?
It is not only necessary, you already use metaphors, clearly without realizing it. If you don't even realize that your own writing contains, and with regularity, metaphors, then you are fundamentally confused about what communication is, including your own.
you seem to keep forgetting that 'we' are in a philosophy forum here. So, what would be the actual purpose in learning to understand what you posters, essentially, are not even meaning, exactly?
You keep repeating this mistaken understanding about literal/metaphorical. You don't understand that metaphors - whether dead ones people like you don't even realize they are using or more active/new ones - convey meaning not available without their use. Likewise irony communicates more information than what you seem to realize.
Philosophers have been more aware of this throughout their history, though in the twentieth century the understanding of how much of our language is metaphorical, for example, increased tremendously. That said, the more openly recognizable metaphors have been used by philosophers throughout the history of philosophy, precisely because of how central analogy is the conveying new information and highlighting things present that people have not be aware of.
So, while you present this as somehow unphilosophical you just show, again and again, your ignorance of philosophy and language. If you were curious and open, you might investigate this within the very field you have little knowledge of while presenting yourself as if you do. It seems you are not curious.
If you did not act as you act here, I might be inclined to help your get at least an introductory understanding of, for example, how metaphors are unavoidable and how you, for example, use them already yourself and not just a little. But given how toxic your communication is, no thank you. But, here's the thing: it would be easy for you to take responsibility and learn about this yourself. Metaphors We Live By, by Lakoff is a good start.
And since you seem keyed in on assumptions, well, a lot of the assumptions human beings make are built into the metaphors they and you use, without realizing they are even making assumptions.
What you are suggesting is like going to a tennis court, to play tennis, and you say to me, 'Now if you can learn to understand how to fly a helicopter, when others use them, things will be 'looking up'.
Similies are fine also. They both work fundamentally via analogy. But you continue to assume you're not using metaphors.
If you think you have somehow shown how ridiculous my position is, let me explain what is actually happening. You are lecturing about what should be done in a philosophy forum in a way that shows you don't know much about philosophy. You are indicating how you think people should communicate without realizing you are communicating in the ways you suggest they shouldn't and you are not even aware your are doing it. Now it's a common misunderstanding of language, the one you have in your binary literal vs metaphorical schema, for example, but you become an absurd figure because of the pompous way your present yourself. In that way you are embarrassing yourself. Not that you are ignorant, but that while being utterly ignorant, you present yourself as having the greater understanding. But you seem utterly incapable of considering this.
I'm not interested in discussing the issue with you any more. You'll look into it or you won't. It's like some toddler wants to lecture me about the work world. If you were my child, fine, let's have that conversation. But you're not my child, or a child; you're some pompous would be guru adult.