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Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:03 pm I hand you a box and I say, "There's a golf ball in this box."

You open the box and there's nothing in it. Which means that there's no golf ball.

That's certainly evidence that there's no golf ball in the box.

Except, with morality - you haven't opened the box.

But you are already claiming there's nothing inside.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:05 pm

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:01 pm Yeah it is.

Ok, well. Objectively, you are stupid.

What happened to you not even believing that you can observe other people? Now all of a sudden you're positing objective stuff?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:06 pm

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:03 pm I hand you a box and I say, "There's a golf ball in this box."

You open the box and there's nothing in it. Which means that there's no golf ball.

That's certainly evidence that there's no golf ball in the box.

Except, with morality - you haven't opened the box.

But you are already claiming there's nothing inside.

What are you thinking "the box" is?

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:10 pm What happened to you not even believing that you can observe other people? Now all of a sudden you're positing objective stuff?

What happened to understanding that I don't hold any beliefs?

I hold instruments for my objective moral goals.

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:10 pm What are you thinking "the box" is?

The home of morality.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:11 pm What happened to understanding that I don't hold any beliefs?

One Age/creation/evolution is more than enough.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:11 pm

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:10 pm What are you thinking "the box" is?

The home of morality.

Which is?

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:13 pm Which is?

Every gap in your knowledge is a potential box.

Least you are claiming that your knowledge is complete.

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:13 pm One Age/creation/evolution is more than enough.

One subjective moralist is one too many.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:14 pm Every gap in your knowledge is a potential box.

That's what the home of morality is?

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:17 pm That's what the home of morality is?

How would you know otherwise?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:19 pm

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:17 pm That's what the home of morality is?

How would you know that it isn't?

I'm not making a statement, I'm asking you a question about what you're proposing.

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:19 pm I'm not making a statement, I'm asking you a question about what you're proposing.

I am not proposing anything.

I am pointing out that you are making claims that you have no basis for making.

Unless you are omniscient.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:20 pm

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:19 pm I'm not making a statement, I'm asking you a question about what you're proposing.

I am not proposing anything.

I am pointing out that you are making claims that you have no basis for making.

Unless you are omniscient.

You said, "The home of morality."
I'm asking you about that.

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:21 pm You said, "The home of morality."
I'm asking you about that.

What about it?

I am simply pointing out that you have found no evidence for morality.
You haven't found evidence for no morality.

If you don't understand the difference I'll use an analogy.

To claim that there is no needle in a haystack you have to examine the entire haystack.

You haven't examined the entire haystack, but you are claiming that there is no needle.

Where's the home of the needle? In the haystack!