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Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:15 pmYou gotta replace, not remove.

Quite honestly, if you attach a label to what is actually a broad range of ideas, you might as well paint a target on them.

tillingborn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:25 pm Quite honestly, if you attach a label to what is actually a broad range of ideas, you might as well paint a target on them.

And if you don't attach one, you might as well shut up about them. Brands name recognition is a thing...

Choices choice... No risk - no reward.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:26 pmChoices choice... No risk - no reward.

You are much cleverer than me and my ego is crushed. Now fuck off and pick a fight with someone who disagrees with you.

tillingborn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:30 pm You are much cleverer than me and my ego is crushed. Now fuck off and pick a fight with someone who disagrees with you.

That you think I am "fighting" with you, or that this has anything to do with "agreement" or "disagreement" speak much more to your psychology/framing than mine...

Zero-sum thinkers. Not your fault though - Philosophy seems to encourage this mode of thinking.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:32 pmThat you think I am "fighting" with you speak much more about your psychology/framing than mine...

That you think I care what you think...meh.

tillingborn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:37 pm That you think I care what you think...meh.

You cared enough to tell me that you don't care.

And not even a grain of cognitive dissonance. Proud of ya! Keep up the performative contradictions.

tillingborn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:59 am You clearly have been conditioned to bark like a rabid poodle every time you hear the word 'socialism',

Well, you may say so. But I note that you ignore everything Socialism has historically done. In other words, you have no interest in the data.

Name one country that Socialism has made happy, free and prosperous. Cuba? Venezuela? The USSR? Cambodia? Zimbabwe? Albania? Romania? Poland? Vietnam? China? North Korea? And how many of them suffered under brutal dictators?

You can see the big pattern, and I can give you tons of such examples. Can you give me one example where the opposite has happened?

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You clearly have been conditioned to bark like a rabid poodle every time you hear the word 'socialism',
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Well, you may say so. But I note that you ignore everything Socialism has historically done. In other words, you have no interest in the data.

Name one country that Socialism has made happy, free and prosperous. Cuba? Venezuela? The USSR? Cambodia? Zimbabwe? Albania? Romania? Poland? Vietnam? China? North Korea? And how many of them suffered under brutal dictators?

You can see the big pattern, and I can give you tons of such examples. Can you give me one example where the opposite has happened?
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You can't judge an ideology as a whole by particular instances that a) did not adhere to any universal understanding or ideology upon which they could be collectively lampooned b) do not represent the current understanding of the ideology c) were majorly effected in every case by forces that had nothing to do with their ideology.

So, STFU about "socialism" already!

Advocate wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:11 pm So, STFU about "socialism" already!

Everyone should be talking about it, a lot.

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[quote=Advocate post_id=501791 time=1615558309 user_id=15238]
So, STFU about "socialism" already!
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Everyone should be talking about it, a lot.
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We should be taking about Socialism, not "socialism".

Advocate wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:18 pm We should be taking about Socialism, not "socialism".

Gracias.

We should be taking about Socialism, not "socialism".

That's like sayin' we should be talkin' about Slavery, not "slavery".

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[b]We should be taking about Socialism, not "socialism".[/b]

That's like sayin' [i]we should be talkin' about Slavery, not "slavery"[/i].
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When the presentation is a farce, as objections to socialism typically are, the distinction is a necessary evil.

Advocate wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:30 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:23 pm We should be taking about Socialism, not "socialism".

That's like sayin' we should be talkin' about Slavery, not "slavery".

When the presentation is a farce, as objections to socialism typically are, the distinction is a necessary evil.

Not seein' the farce...also not seein' any real defense of socialism, er, "Socialism".

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[quote=Advocate post_id=501806 time=1615559449 user_id=15238]
[quote="henry quirk" post_id=501802 time=1615559022 user_id=472]
[b]We should be taking about Socialism, not "socialism".[/b]

That's like sayin' [i]we should be talkin' about Slavery, not "slavery"[/i].
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When the presentation is a farce, as objections to socialism typically are, the distinction is a necessary evil.
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Not seein' the farce...also not seein' any real defense of socialism, er, "Socialism".
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The reason you're not seeing it is because that's not relevant to the point i was making.