Trinity

[attofishpi]

I was just casually sharing some knowledge with you attofishpi. You said previously that you never saw a Christian begging on the floor for God to do something for them. I thought it was such a pity that this knowledge hadn't come to you before, so I sought to remedy the situation by showing you a picture and also a video where Christians were begging on the floor like biblical Jesus is reported to have done in the Bible.

And for those who believe in the Bible, there are also other related things in the Bible that can be mentioned. For example, biblical Jesus is reported many times in the Gospels to be eating and drinking.

• 15 While Jesus was having dinner at Levi’s house, many tax collectors and sinners were eating with him and his disciples, for there were many who followed him. 16 When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the sinners and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: “Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?”[Mark 2:15-16]

• 40 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. 41 And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?” 42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43 and he took it and ate it in their presence.[Luke 24:40-43]

As you may already know anyone who eats and drinks becomes full thereafter. And some time after eating and drinking, we all have to answer the call of nature. Previously you had mentioned many parts of the human anatomy including assholes. And I told you of the importance of having an asshole such that if you didn't have an asshole you would be full of shit. Right? But that doesn't apply just to you but to anyone who eats and drinks as well. When I had mentioned to you the circumcision of biblical Jesus in Luke 2:21, you used the expression "holy cock". Now having told you about the eating and drinking of biblical Jesus, I am anticipating from you an expression such as "holy shit!"

...pfff.
Still not sure why you insist posting quotes from the buy_bull

I was quoting the Bible for those who believe in it. As this is a thread about the Trinity, I have to quote the Bible every so often to address the topic; and this is why I am on this thread in the first place! But if you don't believe in the Bible, it's fine with me. Don't worry attofishpi, just relax and take it easy when you exchange with me.

I gave you the answer regarding the Trinity - but you ignored it since what I stated has not been written by one of the many many many many many many many many many many people that put words in a bible. My cognition of my actual direct experience of God wasn't enough!

btw - you asked Y Christ would eat-drink with a tax-collector and a sinner?

I didn't ask that attofishpi. I don't care about who biblical Jesus dine with. But what makes you think someone even asked that question btw?

I do apologise - I skimmed through it and mistook the bloke that was hanging out with Christ for you.

To pray as a Muslim, you have to become a Muslim attofishpi. Are you willing to become Muslim? We go to Kaaba when you become Muslim if Allah the Almighty wills. Don't worry about the how, but if you sincerely become Muslim, we will meet in Mecca God willing. It's up to you attofishpi. Whatever you decide is fine with me.

Why would the God that actually talks to me, not be willing? Surely if HE doesn't will then it is obvious that your version of religion is wrong. In any case, how would U know whether or not God is willing?

What does 'becoming a Muslim' entail?

Alright, let's go with British English. There was a British Judge named Marilyn Mornington who embraced Islam some years ago. Here is her interview on YouTube: https://youtu.be/xdZkT20ysj4

Nobody watches peoples utube videos around here - I doubt any that you have posted have been clicked on. This is a philosophy forum - things are put in words and debated.

[Averroes]

...pfff.
Still not sure why you insist posting quotes from the buy_bull

I was quoting the Bible for those who believe in it. As this is a thread about the Trinity, I have to quote the Bible every so often to address the topic; and this is why I am on this thread in the first place! But if you don't believe in the Bible, it's fine with me. Don't worry attofishpi, just relax and take it easy when you exchange with me.

I gave you the answer regarding the Trinity - but you ignored it

I didn't ignore it but took it into consideration. Remark that I said :"for those who believe in the Bible" and you were not included therein! It's ok, relax attofishpi.

btw - you asked Y Christ would eat-drink with a tax-collector and a sinner?

I didn't ask that attofishpi. I don't care about who biblical Jesus dine with. But what makes you think someone even asked that question btw?

I do apologise - I skimmed through it and mistook the bloke that was hanging out with Christ for you.

There was no need to apologize attofishpi as there was no harm done, but if that can rest your mind then I forgive you.

To pray as a Muslim, you have to become a Muslim attofishpi. Are you willing to become Muslim? We go to Kaaba when you become Muslim if Allah the Almighty wills. Don't worry about the how, but if you sincerely become Muslim, we will meet in Mecca God willing. It's up to you attofishpi. Whatever you decide is fine with me.

Why would the God that actually talks to me, not be willing? Surely if HE doesn't will then it is obvious that your version of religion is wrong. In any case, how would U know whether or not God is willing?

What does 'becoming a Muslim' entail?

Prophet Muhammad, the Prophet of Allah (Peace and blessing of Allah be upon him), said :

“The superstructure of Islam is raised on five (pillars) : testifying that there is no God (none truly to be worshipped) but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, performing the prayer, paying the Zakah (poor-due), fasting the month of Ramadan, and performing Hajj.”

The Shahada can be declared as follows :

“ASH-HADU ANLA ELAHA ILLA-ALLAH WA ASH-HADU ANNA MOHAMMADAN RASUL-ALLAH”.

The English translation is :

“I bear witness that there is no deity (none truly to be worshipped) but, Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.”

It's up to you attofishpi. Think about it. Take your time. I am not be expecting an answer on this immediately.

Alright, let's go with British English. There was a British Judge named Marilyn Mornington who embraced Islam some years ago. Here is her interview on YouTube: https://youtu.be/xdZkT20ysj4

Nobody watches peoples utube videos around here - I doubt any that you have posted have been clicked on. This is a philosophy forum - things are put in words and debated.

Many do watch videos here. But if you don't that's ok too. Thank you for the exchange attofishpi, it was nice exchanging with you.

[attofishpi]

To pray as a Muslim, you have to become a Muslim attofishpi. Are you willing to become Muslim? We go to Kaaba when you become Muslim if Allah the Almighty wills. Don't worry about the how, but if you sincerely become Muslim, we will meet in Mecca God willing. It's up to you attofishpi. Whatever you decide is fine with me.

Why would the God that actually talks to me, not be willing? Surely if HE doesn't will then it is obvious that your version of religion is wrong. In any case, how would U know whether or not God is willing?

What does 'becoming a Muslim' entail?

Prophet Muhammad, the Prophet of Allah (Peace and blessing of Allah be upon him), said :

“The superstructure of Islam is raised on five (pillars) : testifying that there is no God (none truly to be worshipped) but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, performing the prayer, paying the Zakah (poor-due), fasting the month of Ramadan, and performing Hajj.”

The Shahada can be declared as follows :

“ASH-HADU ANLA ELAHA ILLA-ALLAH WA ASH-HADU ANNA MOHAMMADAN RASUL-ALLAH”.

The English translation is :

“I bear witness that there is no deity (none truly to be worshipped) but, Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.”

Are you suggesting Allah is not God?

[Averroes]

Why would the God that actually talks to me, not be willing? Surely if HE doesn't will then it is obvious that your version of religion is wrong. In any case, how would U know whether or not God is willing?

What does 'becoming a Muslim' entail?

Prophet Muhammad, the Prophet of Allah (Peace and blessing of Allah be upon him), said :

“The superstructure of Islam is raised on five (pillars) : testifying that there is no God (none truly to be worshipped) but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, performing the prayer, paying the Zakah (poor-due), fasting the month of Ramadan, and performing Hajj.”

The Shahada can be declared as follows :

“ASH-HADU ANLA ELAHA ILLA-ALLAH WA ASH-HADU ANNA MOHAMMADAN RASUL-ALLAH”.

The English translation is :

“I bear witness that there is no deity (none truly to be worshipped) but, Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.”

Are you suggesting Allah is not God?

Allah is the Arabic name of God, the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth. In Aramaic too the name of God, the Almighty is Allah. Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) spoke Aramaic as you might know.

But as you might already know, not all people worship God, the Almighty alone. Some people like for example many Hindus worship monkeys, snakes, rats and such other filthy animals.

Anyway, take you time attofishpi to think about it. Nice exchanging with you. Have a nice day.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Veritas Aequitas wrote:

Note in the case of Hinduism which ultimate is monotheism [Brahman Only] but recognizing the majority are not spiritual matured to practice pure monotheism, Hinduism compromises with polytheism whilst nudging believers toward monotheism in their own time and progress.

That is a well practical example of how to deal with 'the majority' .Better than nudging is best quality post enlightenment and secular education for all. This can happen only when poverty is alleviated sufficiently to allow for learners to have their health, nutrition, and housing sorted.

You got the above wrong.
There are many rich and highly educated Islamic terrorists, e.g. Osama bin Laden was Business and Economic graduate plus a degree in civil engineering and is from a very rich family. Many of the 911 murderers were rich and educated.
The evil propaganda of Islam was and is still spread by rich Islamic nations and exploiting the poor in various other countries and instigating them to commit evil and violent acts.

The primary reason that drove Muslims of all financial, educational, health, housing, etc. background to commit terrible evil is the existential crisis that is compounded with evil laden elements from the religion of Islam.

The "best quality post enlightenment and secular education for all" is not the most effective solution to deal with the inherent unavoidable existential crisis.

VA quoted:

Quran 3:118 O ye who believe! Take not for intimates others than your own folk, who would spare no pains to ruin you; they love to hamper you. Hatred is revealed by (the utterance of) their mouths, but that which their breasts hide is greater. We have made plain for you the revelations if ye will understand.

In 3:118, Allah is commanding Muslims not to befriend non-Muslims and Allah brainwashed Muslims that non-Muslims hate them and would spare no pains to ruin them. Isn't that a clear case of 'us versus them' and creating divisiveness and tribalism?
There are many other similar verses of hatred for non-Muslims.

Muhammad is saying believers are going to be unpopular even among some members of their own tribe. Nevertheless not to be disheartened. "Hatred" is used in the archaic sense same as in The Bible "Do good to them that hate you". There is nothing in the verse about sparing no pains to ruin believers. Nevertheless I grant you this does happen as for instance Donald Trump's efforts to ruin the election process and even agitate an already sorely divided people.

How come you are so blinded in reading what is stated in 3:118 and deceptively interpret the verse from its original intention.

Note the following;
"Take not for intimates others than your own folk,.."
It is so plain, it meant 'do not be intimate friend with non-Muslim"

who would spare no pains to ruin you; they love to hamper you.
For the above you stated, "There is nothing in the verse about sparing no pains to ruin believers".
Wonder how come you are so blinded.

Btw, your apologist attempt on even one verse is futile and note there are 3400++ of the 6236 verses in the Quran that are evil laden. There is no room you can explain away those terrible evils in them.

It is very unethical to change the subject to Trump.
Since you brought it up, on that matter, both sides has their reasons to take their respective stance and it is up to the courts to decide.
As for 'sorely divided people' it was the left who did not accept the results of the 2016 results and due to the Trump Derangement Syndrome did not want to reconcile but rather spread falsehoods and violence.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Averroes wrote:

It's really simple. You asked me if I would walk around the Kaaba with you as an equal. Before we can walk around the Kaaba as equals, we have to pray the Muslim prayer. So it depends on you attofishpi. If you still want us to walk around the Kaaba as equals, I am fine with walking around the Kaaba as an equal with you. We must just both pray as Muslims before that. Whatever you decide it's fine with me. I had a very nice exchange with you.

Thus Averroes plays into the hands of such as Veritas Aequitas who insists this sect is divisive. As I said earlier, it's a pity that the only Muslim who frequents here is not in any sense a theologian.

It is a pity you are trying to be an expert on Islam when you have not read the Quran thoroughly.
I insist Islam is evil and divisive [us versus them] because that is what the Quran represents. You have to read it thoroughly and objectively to realize the fact Islam is inherently divisive.

[attofishpi]

Prophet Muhammad, the Prophet of Allah (Peace and blessing of Allah be upon him), said :

“The superstructure of Islam is raised on five (pillars) : testifying that there is no God (none truly to be worshipped) but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, performing the prayer, paying the Zakah (poor-due), fasting the month of Ramadan, and performing Hajj.”

The Shahada can be declared as follows :

“ASH-HADU ANLA ELAHA ILLA-ALLAH WA ASH-HADU ANNA MOHAMMADAN RASUL-ALLAH”.

The English translation is :

“I bear witness that there is no deity (none truly to be worshipped) but, Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.”

Are you suggesting Allah is not God?

Allah is the Arabic name of God, the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth. In Aramaic too the name of God, the Almighty is Allah. Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) spoke Aramaic as you might know.

But as you might already know, not all people worship God, the Almighty alone. Some people like for example many Hindus worship monkeys, snakes, rats and such other filthy animals.

Anyway, take you time attofishpi to think about it. Nice exchanging with you. Have a nice day.

So it works both ways, as in there is no Allah but God?

[Belinda]

Averroes wrote:

It's really simple. You asked me if I would walk around the Kaaba with you as an equal. Before we can walk around the Kaaba as equals, we have to pray the Muslim prayer. So it depends on you attofishpi. If you still want us to walk around the Kaaba as equals, I am fine with walking around the Kaaba as an equal with you. We must just both pray as Muslims before that. Whatever you decide it's fine with me. I had a very nice exchange with you.

Thus Averroes plays into the hands of such as Veritas Aequitas who insists this sect is divisive. As I said earlier, it's a pity that the only Muslim who frequents here is not in any sense a theologian.

It is a pity you are trying to be an expert on Islam when you have not read the Quran thoroughly.
I insist Islam is evil and divisive [us versus them] because that is what the Quran represents. You have to read it thoroughly and objectively to realize the fact Islam is inherently divisive.

Any divisiveness in any society is bad for the society and for individuals.

The Quran can be interpreted ahistorically, as does Veritas Aequitas, and many people do so.One result of lack of historicism is people like ISIS who use a sacred text to legitimate their own violence and greed.

[Averroes]

Are you suggesting Allah is not God?

Allah is the Arabic name of God, the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth. In Aramaic too the name of God, the Almighty is Allah. Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) spoke Aramaic as you might know.

But as you might already know, not all people worship God, the Almighty alone. Some people like for example many Hindus worship monkeys, snakes, rats and such other filthy animals.

Anyway, take you time attofishpi to think about it. Nice exchanging with you. Have a nice day.

So it works both ways, as in there is no Allah but God?

The Arabic name "Allah" is translated as " The God" in English. There is a subtlety in language that I must first explain to you for you to understand the Islamic profession of faith. Btw, this is a good question attofishpi, thank you for asking that.

In Arabic the profession of the Islamic creed (called the shahada) is as follows (read from right to left) :

• اشْهَدُ انْ لّآ اِلهَ اِلَّا اللّهُ وَ اَشْهَدُ اَنَّ مُحَمَّدً اعَبْدُه وَرَسُولُه

Transliterated as : Ash-hadu an laa ilaha illa-Allah wa ash-hadu anna Muhammadan Ābduhu wa rasooluhu.

Translated as: I bear witness that there is no god but Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is His servant and His Messenger.

The name "Allah" is a reference to God, the Almighty Who is the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth. And in Arabic the name "Allah" is written as : اللّهُ (Allah)

But the word "god" (small "g") is written in Arabic as: اِلهَ (ilah)

As I told you before many people does not worship the Creator of the Heavens and Earth alone. For example, the Hindus have taken monkeys, rats, cows, snakes and other filthy animals as their gods. Others still worship statues. So all these filthy animals and statues are considered as gods for those who worship them. But there is only One true God Whose name is Allah in Arabic and Aramaic. Those gods that Hindus and others worship are false gods. Only Allah, the Almighty Who is the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth is deserving of our worship.

Take you time attofishpi to think about all this. If you have other questions and I can help, it will be my pleasure to help. I hope you reach a final decision such that we meet one day before the Kaaba as equals.

[attofishpi]

Allah is the Arabic name of God, the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth. In Aramaic too the name of God, the Almighty is Allah. Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) spoke Aramaic as you might know.

But as you might already know, not all people worship God, the Almighty alone. Some people like for example many Hindus worship monkeys, snakes, rats and such other filthy animals.

Anyway, take you time attofishpi to think about it. Nice exchanging with you. Have a nice day.

So it works both ways, as in there is no Allah but God?

The Arabic name "Allah" is translated as " The God" in English. There is a subtlety in language that I must first explain to you for you to understand the Islamic profession of faith. Btw, this is a good question attofishpi, thank you for asking that.

In Arabic the profession of the Islamic creed (called the shahada) is as follows (read from right to left) :

• اشْهَدُ انْ لّآ اِلهَ اِلَّا اللّهُ وَ اَشْهَدُ اَنَّ مُحَمَّدً اعَبْدُه وَرَسُولُه

Transliterated as : Ash-hadu an laa ilaha illa-Allah wa ash-hadu anna Muhammadan Ābduhu wa rasooluhu.

Translated as: I bear witness that there is no god but Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is His servant and His Messenger.

The name "Allah" is a reference to God, the Almighty Who is the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth. And in Arabic the name "Allah" is written as : اللّهُ (Allah)

But the word "god" (small "g") is written in Arabic as: اِلهَ (ilah)

As I told you before many people does not worship the Creator of the Heavens and Earth alone. For example, the Hindus have taken monkeys, rats, cows, snakes and other filthy animals as their gods. Others still worship statues. So all these filthy animals and statues are considered as gods for those who worship them. But there is only One true God Whose name is Allah in Arabic and Aramaic. Those gods that Hindus and others worship are false gods. Only Allah, the Almighty Who is the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth is deserving of our worship.

Take you time attofishpi to think about all this. If you have other questions and I can help, it will be my pleasure to help. I hope you reach a final decision such that we meet one day before the Kaaba as equals.

I thought you might come out with a pile of waffle to obfuscate the fact that on the one hand you think it is ok to state there is no God but Allah, but cannot accept the reverse, that there is no Allah but God...as per your words Allah means God - so to state there is no God but Allah is to state:-

There is no Allah but Allah
or
There is no God but God
or
There is no God but Allah
or
There is no Allah but God

You are attempting to NAME God as Allah. The Jews call it Yahweh.

Gods real name is Bob.

If it hadn't been for the Jews, Morhammad would never have had anything to latch on to...to create his own following. (he wasn't very original was he?)

So Y don't you show some respect and call God Yahweh?

..to do that Kaaba thing - you appear to require me to accept Morhammad as a better representative of God and HIS love for his creation, than Christ....that is a ridiculous concept.

[Averroes]

as per your words Allah means God

That's incorrect attofishpi. What I said is as follows.
Allah (اللّهُ in Arabic) can be translated in English as "The God". There is a subtlety about the English language that you are missing attofishpi. Please let me explain. The definite article "The" in the English expression "The God" is very important and should not be left out. In English, the definite article "the" before a noun is often used to express uniqueness.

• In English, you use the article THE with proper nouns:
  to emphasize the uniqueness of that entity
  https://www.law.cuny.edu/legal-writing/ ... /articles/

You are attempting to NAME God as Allah. The Jews call it Yahweh.

That too is incorrect attofishpi. Jews nowadays do not call God, the Almighty "Yahweh". In Hebrew the Tetragrammaton "יהוה" (Yod, He, Waw, He) which is translated in English as YHWH is not pronounced in Hebrew. When reading the Hebrew Bible, the Jews read the Tetragrammaton (ie יהוה‎) as "Adonai". "Adonai" means Lord in English. And in the English translation of the Hebrew Bible the Tetragrammaton (ie יהוה‎) is rendered as LORD (all caps).

But the Jews nowadays do call God, the Almighty by His name "Allah". Check the following YouTube video of a young Jewish scholar that I already linked you to before to verify the latter claim of mine: https://youtu.be/oYROeBmTBbw

There are also other resources you can look into to verify that Jews do refer to God, the Almighty by His name "Allah". And I don't require you to accept anything attofishpi, it's up to you to decide. I am fine with whatever you decide.
Anyway, it was nice talking to you again attofishpi. Thank you for the exchange.

[Belinda]

Quite right. Al Lah means 'The God'. It's common to see 'Al ' the Arabic for 'The' in Arab place names for instance Al Hambra the famous Moorish palace in Granada means 'The Red'. Many place names in Andalucia, which was the Iberian heartland of the Muslim conquerors, reflect Arabic influence.

Averroes wrote:

But as you might already know, not all people worship God, the Almighty alone. Some people like for example many Hindus worship monkeys, snakes, rats and such other filthy animals.

Averroes, do you know what 'divisive' means?

[attofishpi]

as per your words Allah means God

That's incorrect attofishpi. What I said is as follows.
Allah (اللّهُ in Arabic) can be translated in English as "The God". There is a subtlety about the English language that you are missing attofishpi. Please let me explain. The definite article "The" in the English expression "The God" is very important and should not be left out. In English, the definite article "the" before a noun is often used to express uniqueness.

Oh, so there is no God but the God! - well that clears that up then, where do I sign up?

btw It's ok after I've signed up to one day change my mind isn't it, there's something else I am quite religious about. Islam meaning 'peace' - there is nothing bad that happens to apostates is there?

You are attempting to NAME God as Allah. The Jews call it Yahweh.

That too is incorrect attofishpi. Jews nowadays do not call God, the Almighty "Yahweh". In Hebrew the Tetragrammaton "יהוה" (Yod, He, Waw, He) which is translated in English as YHWH is not pronounced in Hebrew. When reading the Hebrew Bible, the Jews read the Tetragrammaton (ie יהוה‎) as "Adonai". "Adonai" means Lord in English. And in the English translation of the Hebrew Bible the Tetragrammaton (ie יהוה‎) is rendered as LORD (all caps).

But the Jews nowadays do call God, the Almighty by His name "Allah". Check the following YouTube video of a young Jewish scholar that I already linked you to before to verify the latter claim of mine: https://youtu.be/oYROeBmTBbw

There are also other resources you can look into to verify that Jews do refer to God, the Almighty by His name "Allah". And I don't require you to accept anything attofishpi, it's up to you to decide. I am fine with whatever you decide.
Anyway, it was nice talking to you again attofishpi. Thank you for the exchange.

Hey, there are probably some jews out in there in the desert that speak Aramaic and call God Allah.

Strange that searching an encyclopedia on the subject of God in Judaism - there is NO mention of it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Judaism


Let's get back to our Kaaba trip. Which way are we going to walk around it?

[Averroes]

as per your words Allah means God

That's incorrect attofishpi. What I said is as follows.
Allah (اللّهُ in Arabic) can be translated in English as "The God". There is a subtlety about the English language that you are missing attofishpi. Please let me explain. The definite article "The" in the English expression "The God" is very important and should not be left out. In English, the definite article "the" before a noun is often used to express uniqueness.

Oh, so there is no God but the God! - well that clears that up then, where do I sign up?

Indeed, there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is His servant and messenger. Do you testify that there is no god but Allah and do you testify that Muhammad is the servant and messenger of Allah?

btw It's ok after I've signed up to one day change my mind isn't it, there's something else I am quite religious about. Islam meaning 'peace' - there is nothing bad that happens to apostates is there?

First are you intending to becoming Muslim?

You are attempting to NAME God as Allah. The Jews call it Yahweh.

That too is incorrect attofishpi. Jews nowadays do not call God, the Almighty "Yahweh". In Hebrew the Tetragrammaton "יהוה" (Yod, He, Waw, He) which is translated in English as YHWH is not pronounced in Hebrew. When reading the Hebrew Bible, the Jews read the Tetragrammaton (ie יהוה‎) as "Adonai". "Adonai" means Lord in English. And in the English translation of the Hebrew Bible the Tetragrammaton (ie יהוה‎) is rendered as LORD (all caps).

But the Jews nowadays do call God, the Almighty by His name "Allah". Check the following YouTube video of a young Jewish scholar that I already linked you to before to verify the latter claim of mine: https://youtu.be/oYROeBmTBbw

There are also other resources you can look into to verify that Jews do refer to God, the Almighty by His name "Allah". And I don't require you to accept anything attofishpi, it's up to you to decide. I am fine with whatever you decide.
Anyway, it was nice talking to you again attofishpi. Thank you for the exchange.

Hey, there are probably some jews out in there in the desert that speak Aramaic and call God Allah.

Not only in the desert but everywhere that there are Jews. For example, in England there are Jews who call God, the Almighty by His name Allah. Do you have a problem with these Jews that call God, the Almighty "Allah"?

Strange that searching an encyclopedia on the subject of God in Judaism - there is NO mention of it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Judaism

That was an interesting article on Wikipedia, thank you for sharing. It says that Jews consider the trinity to be heretical and akin to polytheism.

Wikipedia:

• The worship of multiple gods (polytheism) and the concept of God having multiple persons (as in the doctrine of Trinity) are equally unimaginable in Judaism. The idea of God as a duality or trinity is heretical in Judaism – it is considered akin to polytheism.
  
  • God, the Cause of all, is one. This does not mean one as in one of series, nor one like a species (which encompasses many individuals), nor one as in an object that is made up of many elements, nor as a single simple object that is infinitely divisible. Rather, God is a unity unlike any other possible unity. (Maimonides, 13 Principles of Faith, Second Principle)
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Judaism

Let's get back to our Kaaba trip. Which way are we going to walk around it?

Let's go step by step. After testifying to the Islamic faith, we have to pray the Muslim prayer. Do you know how to pray the Muslim prayer? It's much like biblical Jesus falling down on his face in the Bible and begging God, the Almighty for something. You are ok with that, right?

[attofishpi]

That's incorrect attofishpi. What I said is as follows.
Allah (اللّهُ in Arabic) can be translated in English as "The God". There is a subtlety about the English language that you are missing attofishpi. Please let me explain. The definite article "The" in the English expression "The God" is very important and should not be left out. In English, the definite article "the" before a noun is often used to express uniqueness.

Oh, so there is no God but the God! - well that clears that up then, where do I sign up?

Indeed, there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is His servant and messenger. Do you testify that there is no god but Allah and do you testify that Muhammad is the servant and messenger of Allah?

No. I testify that Morhammad was not much more than someone that had sex with a child of the age of 9 and used those around him to construct a false belief in order to unite them. Islam was created from the foundation of Judaism and Christianity... Morhammad would never have been able to conceive of his lies, let alone enroll others to them if he did not have the foundation of Judaism.

btw It's ok after I've signed up to one day change my mind isn't it, there's something else I am quite religious about. Islam meaning 'peace' - there is nothing bad that happens to apostates is there?

First are you intending to becoming Muslim?

No, I actually asked first. What happens to apostates in the religion of 'PEACE'?

That too is incorrect attofishpi. Jews nowadays do not call God, the Almighty "Yahweh". In Hebrew the Tetragrammaton "יהוה" (Yod, He, Waw, He) which is translated in English as YHWH is not pronounced in Hebrew. When reading the Hebrew Bible, the Jews read the Tetragrammaton (ie יהוה‎) as "Adonai". "Adonai" means Lord in English. And in the English translation of the Hebrew Bible the Tetragrammaton (ie יהוה‎) is rendered as LORD (all caps).

But the Jews nowadays do call God, the Almighty by His name "Allah". Check the following YouTube video of a young Jewish scholar that I already linked you to before to verify the latter claim of mine: https://youtu.be/oYROeBmTBbw

There are also other resources you can look into to verify that Jews do refer to God, the Almighty by His name "Allah". And I don't require you to accept anything attofishpi, it's up to you to decide. I am fine with whatever you decide.
Anyway, it was nice talking to you again attofishpi. Thank you for the exchange.

Hey, there are probably some jews out in there in the desert that speak Aramaic and call God Allah.

Not only in the desert but everywhere that there are Jews. For example, in England there are Jews who call God, the Almighty by His name Allah. Do you have a problem with these Jews that call God, the Almighty "Allah"?

None what so ever. (as long as the false PROFIT Morhammad is not part of it)

Strange that searching an encyclopedia on the subject of God in Judaism - there is NO mention of it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Judaism

That was an interesting article on Wikipedia, thank you for sharing. It says that Jews consider the trinity to be heretical and akin to polytheism.

Wikipedia:

• The worship of multiple gods (polytheism) and the concept of God having multiple persons (as in the doctrine of Trinity) are equally unimaginable in Judaism. The idea of God as a duality or trinity is heretical in Judaism – it is considered akin to polytheism.
  
  • God, the Cause of all, is one. This does not mean one as in one of series, nor one like a species (which encompasses many individuals), nor one as in an object that is made up of many elements, nor as a single simple object that is infinitely divisible. Rather, God is a unity unlike any other possible unity. (Maimonides, 13 Principles of Faith, Second Principle)
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Judaism

What is the doctrine of the Trinity?

Let's get back to our Kaaba trip. Which way are we going to walk around it?

Let's go step by step. After testifying to the Islamic faith, we have to pray the Muslim prayer. Do you know how to pray the Muslim prayer? It's much like biblical Jesus falling down on his face in the Bible and begging God, the Almighty for something. You are ok with that, right?

Am I ok with what? Christ feeling the impending suffering he was about to endure and thus falling to his face in anguish?

or

Begging as sheep muzzle_ems on the floor - wanting stuff from God because you have been so pious?

Care to post the words of the muzzle_em prayer or should I look it up?

btw. I almost forgot, last night I was thinking about all the stupid sheep, walking around the big black box of the Kaaba thinking that God would actually be impressed by such nonsense. God said to me "I find it funny" !