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Greta wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:07 am
I won't waste any more time on you.

How many times have we heard that before? It's takes two to tango.

The trouble with the identified mind, is that it can't mind it's own business, especially when it appears that there are now two minds. One identified, and one unidentified. But wait, there has to be two sides to every story.
One side is incredibly slippery and dishonest. While the other side aware of the side being incredibly slippery and dishonest looks on in complete detachment because it's heard it all before.

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Greta wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:47 am

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:07 am And what is the big picture, Nick? (God, I know I'm going to regret asking. I mostly do. I must really be bored, or have a spare moment to type something.)

The big picture is this - he believes that the Earth is reforming as it always has done and there is nothing we can do about it, and any effort to alleviate the change is pointless fiddling around the edges. Remember, what matters to him is the prophesy of Revelations, where The Apocalypse shall scour the Earth of evildoers (like us) and thus shall begin God's rule over the remnant righteous.

However, since evangelicals like Nick don't care about environmental preservation or overpopulation, their vision can only be for ever more humans to be packed atop each other in ever higher buildings in ever smaller rooms. That way the new abortion-free Earth can accumulate ever more human souls, kept alive with laboratory produced foods.

How many billions of human souls can God's new world cram in without the aid of ecosystems? That would look more like hell than heaven to me.

The one thing the earth does not need is more humans. The other thing the earth does not need is any religious group making decisions for it.

The Greta mind exists within a larger tribe called secular progressives. Its chief characteristic is its inability to be open to the big picture but instead attempts to find human objective meaning and purpose in fragmentation and force its ill fated ideas on innocent people striving to be normal.

Of course the big picture is defining what a human being is and its meaning and purpose within a universal perspective. The Greta mind is called to obsess over fragments and create scapegoats to defend this psychological deficiency. The Greta mind and secular progressives never find fault within themselves. As a result scapegoats must be created to take the blame. The current fashionable scapegoat is Donld Trump.

So what are the characteristics of scapegoating?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... apegoating

The ego defence of displacement plays a role in scapegoating, in which uncomfortable feelings such as anger, frustration, envy, and guilt are displaced and projected onto another, often more vulnerable, person or group. The scapegoated target is then persecuted, providing the person doing the scapegoating not only with a conduit for his uncomfortable feelings, but also with pleasurable feelings of piety and self-righteous indignation. The creation of a villain necessarily implies that of a hero, even if both are purely fictional.

The Greta mind prone to scapegoating can never accept responsibility. It must blame an imagined scapegoat. Anyone can see how this leads to Christian persecution and anything else which enables a person to experience how they are part of the problem.

After the defeat of the Thirty Tyrants in Athens, Socrates, with his close links to prominent oligarchs such as Critias, who had been the first and worst among the Thirty, no longer seemed like the harmless eccentric of old, but like a dangerous and corrupting influence, a breeder of tyrants and the enemy of the common man. In the febrile atmosphere that had taken over the city, any accusation made against him, however false or fanciful, was apt to be seized upon as a pretext to punish him and turn him into a scapegoat for all the evils of the tyranny. Once dispatched, a scapegoat may, particularly if he is also a martyr (one who opposes or resists a belief that is being imposed upon him), be totemized. Today, Socrates is chiefly remembered by his death; and Seneca even went so far as to opine that 'it was the hemlock that made Socrates great' (cicuta magnum Socratem fecit).

The Greta mind is an emotional mind. Its attacks against scapegoats are motivated by mindless emotional reaction. Philosophy expressed as the love of wisdom opening to contemplation of the big picture must be suppressed in favor of attacking Trump and Christianity with lighted torches and pitchforks. They are convenient scapegoats to avoid having to admit the human condition as it exists within them. The secular progressive is incapable of such humility. As such it is only the scapegoats who can be responsible for the condition of the world as it is.

Actually, 'secular progressives' are a reasonably new thing in history, so that would lead me to the conclusion that humans in general screwed things up. Just as you did in your post. Welcome to humanity, Nick. You're not as different as you would suppose, or like.

Nick, your endless "the Greta mind" ad homs expose your problems better than I can.

The current fashionable scapegoat is Donld Trump.

Trump is not a scapegoat, he is a symptom of a societal disease that's infected a significant minority of Americans, and several here are infected.

I note that Nick voted for Comrade Trump but he previously whined and scapegoated Obama for years before his Aryan superman rescued him. He did not assemble orderly lists of his issues with Obama but truly did whine, moan and complain in general.

Still, what else can we expect? He is infected with this madness that's overtaking American evangelist Christians, which is on florid display here. Many Germans went insane too when under the spell of their own Aryan rescuer back in the 1930s and 40s. Similarly many Chinese went mad under the rule of Mao.

When reality seems too oppressive some people retreat from reality into unreason. They become impervious to reason, blinkered in their single minded aims, where they feel safe. For evangelists the aim is often the promised Apocalypse that will rid the world of sinners and usher in God's dominion over the Earth. They are truly desperate for this and consider it all a done deal, hence the lack of interest in being responsible with and merciful to the rest of nature.

Comrade Trump's penchant for environmental destruction, political conflict and administrative and policy chaos is exactly the kind of rule to make death-rider evangelist Christians feel validated. He is a prize they will never let go, no matter how many non-consenting "pussies" be brags about grabbing.

Greta is on a roll tonight

Trump is not a scapegoat, he is a symptom of a societal disease that's infected a significant minority of Americans, and several here are infected.

All she does is complaign about Trump and now she condemns some sort of unknown societal disease. So what’s that?

I note that Nick voted for Comrade Trump but he previously whined and scapegoated Obama for years before his Aryan superman rescued him. He did not assemble orderly lists of his issues with Obama but truly did whine, moan and complain in general.

So now we learn Greta is a racist With a hangup against white guys with blue eyes. OK we’ve gotten that far. I’ve written many times that Obama is a Marxist and a demagogue. I’ve written enough about the dangers of marxism and the demagogue. Simone finally saw through it. Why can’t I? What else is there to say?

I did say that Obama pulled of the greatest hoax in American history. I never thought anything could beat Jean Shepherd’s I, Libertine hoax but Obama with the help of his disciples pulled it off with the great eligibility hoax. So I have to give credit where credit is due. He beat out Jean Shepherd.

For some reason some people began to question if Obama was a natural born citizen. So in order to cast an educated vote a person must learn if Obama is eligible to be president. This seems simple. Just have a panel of judges verify the birth certificate and satisfy the concerns of citizens seeking to do their civic duty and cast an educated vote. Then the truth came out which changed everything.

People learned that things had changed. It is true that at one time it was agreed that the government works for the people but now the people work for the government. At one time the people would have the right to proof of eligibility but those days are over. Now American citizens are assumed unworthy of and too stupid to deserve the most essential constitutional protections which in this case is proof of eligibility for a prospective president. Politicians, the media, the courts, and assorted grandmothers all got together in condemnation of people actually believing they were worthy of constitutional protections. Once the unworthiness and stupidity of the American people was agreed upon it was obvious that they were incapable of having a government work for them so they must work for a government. Naturally this change of attitude invited the quick descent into corruption and statism.

Where Shepherd’s I, Libertine hoax only had the whole country arguing over a book that didn’t exist, Obama’s eligibility hoax had the population agreeing that it was unworthy of and too stupid to deserve the constitutional protection of proof of eligibility. I hate to admit it but now Shep’s hoax comes in second.

Still, what else can we expect? He is infected with this madness that's overtaking American evangelist Christians, which is on florid display here. Many Germans went insane too when under the spell of their own Aryan rescuer back in the 1930s and 40s. Similarly many Chinese went mad under the rule of Mao.

So the updated scapegoat is the Aryan American evangelist Christian. They are the root of all evil and must be condemned out of existence. Where would we be without those like Greta to tell us who we must condemn?

Those rotten evangelists will say something like:

Matthew 7:3-5 New International Version (NIV)
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

This is too insulting for those having received a progressive education. They know right from wrong and to insinuate they should question their own motives is clearly intolerable. They must attack and condemn until we enter into the glorious secular progressive utopian future

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:56 am Actually, 'secular progressives' are a reasonably new thing in history, so that would lead me to the conclusion that humans in general screwed things up. Just as you did in your post. Welcome to humanity, Nick. You're not as different as you would suppose, or like.

Of course it is the human condition. If we try to live in the triune universe with a dualistic mindset, how can the madness of the world be other than what it is?

One does not expect the afflicted to see the insanity within.

So it is here.

This is just one more rise of hysterics unresponsive to reason in a nation whose powers are fading.

Greta wrote: ↑Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:10 am Nick, your endless "the Greta mind" ad homs expose your problems better than I can.

The indentified mind cannot expose anything, the only exposure is that there is no identified mind. Any exposure would be a non-identitfied identity exposing itself... in other words a fraud.

Notice what happens when the chattering mind stops chattering, stops thinking, all that's left is what is... and that what is.. is also what you are as well, it's the well you welling up. The mouth overflows what the heart is full of.

The current fashionable scapegoat is Donald Trump.

Greta wrote: ↑Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:10 amTrump is not a scapegoat,

Greta wrote: ↑Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:10 am he is a symptom of a societal disease that's infected a significant minority of Americans.

Turn that projection around and say to yourself.... I am a symptom of a societal disease that's infected a significant minority of Americans.

Then ask yourself...is that true? ...if it's not true. Then why would it be true of someone else, don't invent a scapegoat.

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The disease, as anticipated in Carl Sagan's remarkably accurate prediction:

I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...

The dumbing down of America is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance.

Greta, you are some piece of work. You are the one encouraging the dumbing down of America with your mindless attacks. You are good at complaining and condemning but not once have you ever written on either the cause of dumbing down or what is necessary to oppose it. The best you can do is to attack Trump. It isn’t enough that you support the dumbing down of America to further the cause socialism but you openly condemn the great ideas which expand the mind.

From Jacob Needleman’s book: “The American Soul”

Our world, so we see and hear on all sides, is drowning in materialism, commercialism, consumerism. But the problem is not really there. What we ordinarily speak of as materialism is a result, not a cause. The root of materialism is a poverty of ideas about the inner and outer world. Less and less does our contemporary culture have, or even seek, commerce with great ideas, and it is the lack that is weakening the human spirit. This is the essence of materialism. Materialism is a disease of the mind starved for ideas.

Throughout history ideas of a certain kind have been disseminated into the life of humanity in order to help human beings understand and feel the possibility of the deep inner change that would enable them to serve the purpose for which they were created, namely, to act in the world as conscious individual instruments of God, and the ultimate principle of reality and value. Ideas of this kind are formulated in order to have a specific range of action on the human psych: to touch the heart as well as the intellect; to shock us into questioning our present understanding; to point us to the greatness around us in nature and the universe, and the potential greatness slumbering within ourselves; to open our eyes to the real needs of our neighbor; to confront us with our own profound ignorance and our criminal fears and egoism; to show us that we are not here for ourselves alone, but as necessary particles of divine love.

These are the contours of the ancient wisdom, considered as ideas embodied in religious and philosophical doctrines, works of sacred art,literature and music and, in a very fundamental way, an indication of practical methods by which a man or woman can work, as is said, to become what he or she really is. Without feeling the full range of such ideas, or sensing even a modest, but pure, trace of them, we are bound to turn for meaning.

All you do is cheapen and condemn the great ideas in order to further the secular progressive desire to make sheep out of people all too willing to accept statist slavery as compensation for forgetting the value of freedom and what the being of Man is capable of..

Saul Alinsky RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”

There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)

Ridicule of the great ideas serves the purpose of your agenda which is to promote statist slavery

Nick_A wrote:... All you do is cheapen and condemn the great ideas in order to further the secular progressive desire to make sheep out of people all too willing to accept statist slavery as compensation for forgetting the value of freedom and what the being of Man is capable of.. ...

How laughably ironic Nick_A given that you laud Plato who wished to create the ultimate 'statist slavery'. Still, I can understand why such as you would oppose free decades long education for both sexes.

Nick_A wrote:... Ridicule of the great ideas serves the purpose of your agenda which is to promote statist slavery

Which great ideas are you thinking about Nick_A?

Arising_uk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 24, 2018 1:49 am

Nick_A wrote:... Ridicule of the great ideas serves the purpose of your agenda which is to promote statist slavery

Which great ideas are you thinking about Nick_A?

All ideas which serve to awaken humanity to the reality of the fallen human condition which limits the human psych to dualism and ignorance of Man's place within the triune universe. These ideas are intolerable for the secular progressive mindset inviting scapegoating as a convenient escape from psychologically opening to reality.

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