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Nick A wrote:
Detachment is a state of which there is no right and wrong. It is a state of witnessing what IS. People capable of conscious
detachment must have places where they can gather and speak honestly in the cause of impartial intellectual research

I find that as I get older I become more detached and this allows for greater peace of mind. I still have opinions but I am less rigorous with regard
to them so have no desire to force them on others. Whether anyone agrees or disagrees with anything I say makes absolutely no difference to me

Nick_A wrote:

If sophists or what I call (experts) admitted their ignorance it would be meaningful but their puffed up egoism makes it impossible to consider resulting in intolerance. The problem is always the same: sophists, experts, lawyers, or whatever name you use, their expertise is in the devolution of knowledge into opinions - wholeness into arguing fragmentation with the progressive result of destroying eros in the young.
Luke 11: 52 “Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering.”

Luke is comparing the spirit of the Jewish Law ("the key to knowledge") with the literal jobsworth attitude of experts who look at the letter of the law and miss the spirit of it. The Law exists to serve individuals, so don't idolise the letter of the law.

Similarly with society, religions, experts, professional bodies, political party, trade unions, popes, princes, the ruling class. Each of those has a duty under God or under secular ethics, to serve individuals before the serving of the collective. The collective can be used and often is so used for the well- being of individuals for instance when the collective's power is used to distribute goods during times of crisis for individuals such as poverty, siege, or epidemic.

The collective exists for the sake of fairness , and actual survival of individuals. The collective , despite too many selfish and fearful manipulators of the collective, exists to serve others not itself. Despite the faults of some popes, princes, political parties, experts, professionals, the collective is necessary for individuals to thrive. True, some collectives e.g. professional real estate negotiators have a reputation for self-serving. Even real estate negotiators have their uses. We know which collectives are behaving fairly and benevolently by the fruit they bear. We get to know which collectives are dishonest and malevolent through the services of free news media, and important literature.

Nick, your evident lack of self-awareness renders philosophical discussion with you futile and pointless. My comments were intended for others who have read your misrepresentations of Plato and Weil on society and may have been misled. That you yourself are controlled by the very things that Weil warns against is not something you are able to see. That the images on the cave walls of your mind have been distorted by your own images of a transcendent reality you have not experienced and know nothing of is not something you are able to see, and so, you fail to understand the meaning of Socrates’ teaching about self-knowledge. Other may, if they do not already, be able to see this and thus get a measure of your sophistry and see through the rhetoric of your guise of the anti-expert expert.

Perhaps none of this is really necessary and no one mistakes your sloganeering for philosophical thought or mistakes your banner labeling and the mechanical reflex to slap on a quote, that you typically demonstrate that you really do not understand, for philosophical deliberation.

fooloso4 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:28 pm Nick, your evident lack of self-awareness renders philosophical discussion with you futile and pointless. My comments were intended for others who have read your misrepresentations of Plato and Weil on society and may have been misled. That you yourself are controlled by the very things that Weil warns against is not something you are able to see. That the images on the cave walls of your mind have been distorted by your own images of a transcendent reality you have not experienced and know nothing of is not something you are able to see, and so, you fail to understand the meaning of Socrates’ teaching about self-knowledge. Other may, if they do not already, be able to see this and thus get a measure of your sophistry and see through the rhetoric of your guise of the anti-expert expert.

Perhaps none of this is really necessary and no one mistakes your sloganeering for philosophical thought or mistakes your banner labeling and the mechanical reflex to slap on a quote, that you typically demonstrate that you really do not understand, for philosophical deliberation.

Behold the ugliness of secular intolerance. The people must be protected from the evil influence of those like me. Secular intolerance is closed to anything greater than itself and seeks to contaminate even the young with their inner spirit killing conceit. It destroys education and diminishes philosophy as the love of wisdom into meaningless intellectual jousting in quest of the egoistic satisfaction of imagined self importance. Truly nasty, ugly stuff. Kill yourself but why spiritually kill the young?

Why are many talented people capable of experiencing their nothingness in relation to higher consciousness yet the spirit killers are content with their imagined superiority?

Take C I R E T for example:

http://ciret-transdisciplinarity.org/index_en.php

Here we have an organization of talented people from all different branches of expertise ranging from intellects, artists, and mechanics all recognizing that they possess a piece of the truth existing as a whole at a higher conscious level of reality. Secularists of course deny such a level of reality and the commonality it offers so will do what it can to fight the influences of organizations like C I R E T

The International Center for Transdisciplinary Research (CIRET) is a non-profit organization, located in Paris and founded in 1987. The aim of our organization is to develop research in a new scientific and cultural approach - the transdisciplinarity - whose aim is to lay bare the nature and characteristics of the flow of information circulating between the various branches of knowledge. The CIRET is a priviledge meeting-place for specialists from the different sciences and for those from other domains of activity, especially educators. The aim of our organization is fully expressed in our moral project.

Sheer rubbish according to those like Fooloso4 and Greta. According to them the Beast already knows what is good for you so there is nothing to lay bare. The important thing is to argue over differences and demonstrate intolerance of all that questions the authority of the Beast.

CHARTER OF TRANSDISCIPLINARITY

(adopted at the First World Congress of Trandisciplinarity, Convento da Arrábida, Portugal,
November 2-6, 1994)

Preamble

Whereas, the present proliferation of academic and non-academic disciplines is leading to an exponential increase of knowledge which makes a global view of the human being impossible;

Whereas, only a form of intelligence capable of grasping the cosmic dimension of the present conflicts is able to confront the complexity of our world and the present challenge of the spiritual and material self-destruction of the human species;

Whereas, life on earth is seriously threatened by the triumph of a techno-science that obeys only the terrible logic of productivity for productivity's sake;

Whereas, the present rupture between increasingly quantitative knowledge and increasingly impoverished inner identity is leading to the rise of a new brand of obscurantism with incalculable social and personal consequences;

Whereas, an historically unprecedented growth of knowledge is increasing the inequality between those who have and those who do not, thus engendering increasing inequality within and between the different nations of our planet;

Whereas, at the same time, hope is the counterpart of all the afore-mentioned challenges, a hope that this extraordinary development of knowledge could eventually lead to an evolution not unlike the development of primates into human beings;

Therefore, in consideration of all the above, the participants of the First World Congress of Transdisciplinarity (Convento da Arrábida, Portugal, November 2-7, 1994) have adopted the present Charter, which comprises the fundamental principles of the community of transdisciplinary researchers, and constitutes a personal moral commitment, without any legal or institutional constraint, on the part of everyone who signs this Charter.

The Great Beast waves its tail in defiance and says: Fools! These idiots are helpless in the face of my influence and the fantasies I provide.

Perhaps true but at the same time the young who have yet to be killed may profit from knowing there are talented people in society attracted to eros knowing they have a piece of the truth and are willing to share with other branches of knowledge as seekers of truth without the need to tear them apart with secular intolerance in the attempt to prove their imagined superiority

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:57 pm The Great Beast waves its tail in defiance and says: Fools!

Somebody should do something about that damned Beast.

Harbal:

Nick_A wrote:

The Great Beast waves its tail in defiance and says: Fools!

Somebody should do something about that damned Beast.

I think somebody should do something about the damned fools who yammer on and on about the Beast. Both reason and ridicule only serve to play into the cultivated self-image of the martyr and lone voice in the wildness of secular ignorance trying to lead the children to salvation. In this version, the magic panpipe is replaced by a file of quotes he reaches into to post yet again the same song. That the pretense of reasoned speech is maintained might be seen as comic folly, but in an age where the ridiculous becomes reality, who knows who among the rats and children might be charmed into follow the piper.

Harbal, I miss your wit and humor on the other philosophy site you used to frequent.

fooloso4 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:47 pm
Harbal, I miss your wit and humor on the other philosophy site you used to frequent.

If you mean ILP I'm surprised, I didn't think anyone took any notice of me on there.

Harbal:

If you mean ILP I'm surprised, I didn't think anyone took any notice of me on there.

No, online philosophy club. PM sent.

fooloso4 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:47 pm Harbal:

Nick_A wrote:

The Great Beast waves its tail in defiance and says: Fools!

Somebody should do something about that damned Beast.

I think somebody should do something about the damned fools who yammer on and on about the Beast. Both reason and ridicule only serve to play into the cultivated self-image of the martyr and lone voice in the wildness of secular ignorance trying to lead the children to salvation. In this version, the magic panpipe is replaced by a file of quotes he reaches into to post yet again the same song. That the pretense of reasoned speech is maintained might be seen as comic folly, but in an age where the ridiculous becomes reality, who knows who among the rats and children might be charmed into follow the piper.

Harbal, I miss your wit and humor on the other philosophy site you used to frequent.

Scary stuff. Fooloso4 expresses a kind of fanaticism that would make a religious fundamentalist green with envy. I'm waiting for Greta to come and put the icing on the cake. I changed the words a little to show how the religious fanatic would attack:

I think somebody should do something about the damned fools who yammer on and on against God. Both reason and ridicule only serve to play into the cultivated self-image of the martyr and lone voice in the wildness of religious ignorance trying to lead the children to salvation. In this version, the magic panpipe is replaced by a file of biblical quotes he reaches into to post yet again the same song. That the pretense of reasoned speech is maintained might be seen as comic folly, but in an age where the ridiculous becomes reality, who knows who among the rats and children might be charmed into follow the piper.

Fanatics expressing secular intolerance dominate much of education becoming more and more skilled in spirit killing. Sophists replace the role of the authentic philosopher and proclaim the importance of worshiping the Great Beast as the source of values.

Yet somehow a minority of both talented and just regular people know they have a piece of higher truth they need to build on. Some even find organizations like C I R E T where they can learn and experience other pieces of the truth and the connection to their source. They will not be condemned as is the way of secular intolerance but be understood by other seekers of truth all dedicated to experiencing the level of reality from which the pieces of truth descended. Others not so lucky may die inside and become indoctrinated atoms of the Great Beast dedicated with all the fervor of a fundamentalist to worship the Beast and condemn all who question its supremacy. What a horrible thought.

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:10 pm

fooloso4 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:47 pm
Harbal, I miss your wit and humor on the other philosophy site you used to frequent.

If you mean ILP I'm surprised, I didn't think anyone took any notice of me on there.

It has changed and you will love it. Now it features nastiness in support of secular intolerance. Now you can give em hell and you will be noticed.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:10 amScary stuff. Fooloso4 expresses a kind of fanaticism that would make a religious fundamentalist green with envy. I'm waiting for Greta to come and put the icing on the cake.

While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetwoman in the fight against unreason. I pride myself in taking a hit and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you, Nick.

Is it legally necessary to be coy about other internet philosophy websites?

Greta wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2017 6:07 am

Nick_A wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:10 amScary stuff. Fooloso4 expresses a kind of fanaticism that would make a religious fundamentalist green with envy. I'm waiting for Greta to come and put the icing on the cake.

While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetwoman in the fight against unreason. I pride myself in taking a hit and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you, Nick.

"I love you, Nick." The kiss of death. It reminds me of the old mafia movies and Judas' kiss.

Here we have the queen of ad homs and supporter of secular intolerance and it spirit killing effect on the young while at the same time referring to herself as living her life in the company of Gandhi and King. She claims to fight against unreason yet is unable to distinguish between the secular mindset and the universalist mindset necessary for reason to distinguish dualism from the human triune perspective. This obvious hypocrisy is called progress for the educated secular progressive. You can't write this stuff!

In all fairness to secular intolerance, even if it is a spirit killing influence it shouldn't be considered consciously evil.

"Does evil, as we conceive it to be when we do not do it, exist? Does not the evil that we do seem to be something simple and natural which compels us? Is not evil analogous to illusion? When we are the victims of an illusion we do not feel it to be an illusion but a reality. It is the same perhaps with evil. Evil when we are in its power is not felt as evil but as a necessity, or even a duty." ~ Simone Weil

Objective evil doesn't exist. What we call evil are just mechanical reactions to a universe which must be imperfect to have meaning and serve it purpose. It isn't PC to say it but evil is attractive and often justified as a necessity or a duty. The secular intolerants often believe they are doing good. It is up to those who know better to offer first the philosophical alternatives and next the practical alternatives necessary to progress from secularism into a verified universal perspective. it is the challenge of the future.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:06 pm Here we have the queen of ad homs and supporter of secular intolerance and it spirit killing effect on the young

How do you ever expect to be taken seriously when you display stupidity of this magnitude, Nick. You couldn't be reasonable if your life depended on it.