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duszek wrote:Let me try to formulate the initial question anew:

Is it fair to use such an insulting term as "redneck" if one wishes peace to prevail in the world ?

Yes.

- As a rule, Rednecks don't care what some moron calls them, or rather, they don't really care if they are called that.
- This is because Rednecks are not idiots.
- It has a rather mild connotation.
- Not vicious.
- Sort of like, city slicker.
- Not quite as mild as country dumb.

ForCruxSake wrote:

Harbal wrote:

ForCruxSake wrote:it is coming across as cerebral Tourette's.

What other kind of Tourette's is there? Abdominal Tourette's? Cardiac Tourette's? Can you get it in your foot?

I meant cerebral as related to the 'intellect', and the uncontrollable need to repeat an idea excessively.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dicti ... h/cerebral

Tourette's is neurological rather than simply cerebral. It's never usually referred to as cerebral. And there are different forms of Tourette's. Motor. Vocal. The 'sweary' kind even has its own name: 'coprolalia'. So yes, there are different kinds of Tourette's.

Hope that answers your question.

Cerebral means relating to the brain. All 'Tourette's' is 'cerebral'. ''Tics are believed to result from dysfunction in the thalamus, basal ganglia, and frontal cortex of the brain''. The rest are just manifestations of the disorder. Harbal is right.

Walker wrote:

duszek wrote:Let me try to formulate the initial question anew:

Is it fair to use such an insulting term as "redneck" if one wishes peace to prevail in the world ?

Yes.

- As a rule, Rednecks don't care what some moron calls them, or rather, they don't really care if they are called that.
- This is because Rednecks are not idiots.
- It has a rather mild connotation.
- Not vicious.
- Sort of like, city slicker.
- Not quite as mild as country dumb.

I'm sure plenty of rednecks are idiots.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:I'm sure plenty of rednecks are idiots.

Figures

This is quite a neat summary, in my view:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNWcDXE5POU

uwot wrote:This is quite a neat summary, in my view:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNWcDXE5POU

FINALLY! Brilliant stuff.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

ForCruxSake wrote:

Harbal wrote: What other kind of Tourette's is there? Abdominal Tourette's? Cardiac Tourette's? Can you get it in your foot?

I meant cerebral as related to the 'intellect', and the uncontrollable need to repeat an idea excessively.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dicti ... h/cerebral

Tourette's is neurological rather than simply cerebral. It's never usually referred to as cerebral. And there are different forms of Tourette's. Motor. Vocal. The 'sweary' kind even has its own name: 'coprolalia'. So yes, there are different kinds of Tourette's.

Hope that answers your question.

Cerebral means relating to the brain. All 'Tourette's' is 'cerebral'. ''Tics are believed to result from dysfunction in the thalamus, basal ganglia, and frontal cortex of the brain''. The rest are just manifestations of the disorder. Harbal is right.

And a horse is 'a gramineverous quadruped' but we rarely refer to it as that.

Every action we take is cerebral, as our motor skills are all determined by the brain (specifically the prefrontal and motor cortexes, basal ganglia and cerebellum) yet in language we don't refer to getting into the car, or spitting, as cerebral.

Heart arrhythmia is not referred to as a cerebral dysfunction, yet the brain is sending incorrect electrical signals. As literal as you are being, I say again, Tourette's Syndrome, is usually referred to as a neurological disorder, as opposed to a cerebral dysfunction.

I never said Harbal was wrong. He asked questions which I answered. He then explained he was being "obstructive in an immature fashion", by possibly deliberately failing to acknowledge my intended meaning of cerebral, as 'of the intellect', which is what you seem to be defending.
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You are being pedantic and your pedantry doesn't change what was intended by either of us, which we have both made clear in our statements to each other. It adds nothing to the exchange that hasn't already been acknowledged.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:FINALLY! Brilliant stuff.

Ok, I understand your position more now VT.

So I'm one of those 'over 50's' who remembers before so hopefully you can understand mine a little more. As such as me does not wish a return to the 'good ol' days' for my kids.

henry quirk wrote:Which, being bastids, they're gonna do anyway, no matter how many non-bastids speak up or stand up.

Bastids don't give a flip about shifting/shifty cultural conventions...such folks are gonna call a spade a spade (or a jigaboo) no matter what.

True again HQ but what does appear to have happened over here is slightly fewer lesser-bastards appear as they don't have the model to follow(or ape) that confirms their behaviour so easily.

ForCruxSake wrote: Heart arrhythmia is not referred to as a cerebral dysfunction, yet the brain is sending incorrect electrical signals. As literal as you are being, I say again, Tourette's Syndrome, is usually referred to as a neurological disorder, as opposed to a cerebral dysfunction.

Not always, my arrhythmia was caused by signals that came from the heart itself and the procedure was to remove bits of the heart tissue that were causing the problem. I had approximately 75% too many beats and at the time my pulse was just over 50 BPM, or close to 100 BPM. After the surgery, the surgeon went in through the arteries in the thighs with about 7 different probes in both legs, and removed small bits of heart tissue. The result was that I now have only about 20% extra heart beats. My Cardiologist thinks that is an acceptable improvement.

uwot wrote:This is quite a neat summary, in my view:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNWcDXE5POU

And that is why so many people object to PC in it's current form.

thedoc wrote:

ForCruxSake wrote: Heart arrhythmia is not referred to as a cerebral dysfunction, yet the brain is sending incorrect electrical signals. As literal as you are being, I say again, Tourette's Syndrome, is usually referred to as a neurological disorder, as opposed to a cerebral dysfunction.

Not always, my arrhythmia was caused by signals that came from the heart itself and the procedure was to remove bits of the heart tissue that were causing the problem. I had approximately 75% too many beats and at the time my pulse was just over 50 BPM, or close to 100 BPM. After the surgery, the surgeon went in through the arteries in the thighs with about 7 different probes in both legs, and removed small bits of heart tissue. The result was that I now have only about 20% extra heart beats. My Cardiologist thinks that is an acceptable improvement.

That's interesting. What has been the difference for you, qualitatively, in practical terms? How did you feel before and how did you feel after?

uwot wrote:This is quite a neat summary, in my view:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNWcDXE5POU

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:FINALLY! Brilliant stuff.

Finally what? I could be wrong, but I don't think it is an expression of relief that you now appreciate that context actually matters.

thedoc wrote:And that is why so many people object to PC in it's current form.

I know. The point I am making is that there are right wing opportunists, who are exploiting self righteous idiots to make any expression of 'political correctness' an affront to freedom of speech. I think most reasonable people would agree that publicly using words like n*****, faggot, poof, Paddy or Paki deserves the contempt it is likely to meet.

(Interesting: n***** is so un PC, even the computer censors it. It does the same with p****.)

uwot wrote:

uwot wrote:This is quite a neat summary, in my view:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNWcDXE5POU

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:FINALLY! Brilliant stuff.

Finally what? I could be wrong, but I don't think it is an expression of relief that you now appreciate that context actually matters.

thedoc wrote:And that is why so many people object to PC in it's current form.

I know. The point I am making is that there are right wing opportunists, who are exploiting self righteous idiots to make any expression of 'political correctness' an affront to freedom of speech. I think most reasonable people would agree that publicly using words like n*****, faggot, poof, Paddy or Paki deserves the contempt it is likely to meet.

(Interesting: n***** is so un PC, even the computer censors it. It does the same with p****.)

You just had to go and spoil it. You are obviously just one of those kind of people. I can't find a single mention of the word 'context' in that video. Of course the word 'context' has its place, (in the right context ) but I can't decipher what your point is here. Is it so difficult to explain yourself clearly? Pinker is far too intelligent to talk in riddles.
Niggger only means black. Perhaps the country of Nigeria should be banned.

ForCruxSake wrote:
That's interesting. What has been the difference for you, qualitatively, in practical terms? How did you feel before and how did you feel after?

When I was first diagnosed I was very short of breath, I couldn't even walk up one flight of stairs without stopping half way up to catch my breath, I couldn't carry on a conversation without gasping for breath. Now I have little or no trouble climbing a flight of stairs, and conversation is not a problem, but I have noticed that I can't sing for more than one or 2 songs without getting a bit dizzy. I believe that just after I developed the condition my heart wasn't pumping very well and the muscle cells would run out of oxygen, my heart probably started beating faster and harder but wasn't doing much good. So my body signaled for me to breath faster to try and get more oxygen. All that has gotten much better on just proper medication, I avoided open heart surgery to replace the Mitral valve, (there wasn't really anything wrong with it, the left ventricle was enlarged and wouldn't let it close correctly). My 1st cardiologist insisted that I needed surgery to replace the valve, but as I said there was nothing wrong with the valve. Prior to the diagnosis I would be loading wood onto my pickup truck and about 3/4 of the way through, I had enough and I blamed it on the heat, but now I can see that it was my heart condition that was effecting me. Now I'm about 10 years older and I take a bit longer to do things, on purpose, I have learned to pace myself and still get things done, just not as much as I used to. I'm really not sure how much is the heart condition and how much is just age. FYI I turned 70 in Jan. so that might be part of it.