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sthitapragya wrote:

Walker wrote:
The thread is about atheists.

And thar is your mistake. This thread is about a theist who cannot understand how there are people who can do without the psychological crutches he so desperately needs and is therefore assigning attributes to them which would make him feel better. We are just trying to correct him.

Most of you tend to forget that most atheists were theists before. So we know exactly what belief in God is. You, however, have no idea what we feel or think because you have never been there.

Duh. Look at the title of the thread. You don't have the say.

Lacewing wrote:Everything you are accusing atheists of, Walker, appears to describe yourself and some of the well-known theist behaviors. It's astounding that you could be so oblivious and in such denial. You're just spewing and projecting like a madman. It's not funny or clever or accurate... it's just really stupid.

It's absurd to try to define characteristics of an atheist. That would be like trying to define characteristics of all people who don't have a belief in Santa. They're not a "group" that shares a common belief in something of some sort. So assigning characteristics to anyone who doesn't share a common belief with others is asinine. You don't know such a broad spectrum of people... and you're a fool to pretend that you do.

That you perceive rational analysis to be accusations speaks volumes.

You do realize that your posting merely adds to the evidence.

Way too defensive.

Loosen up.

Atheism will likely survive these manifestations of atheism by you and other atheists. Nothing to fear.

Walker wrote:

sthitapragya wrote:

Walker wrote:
The thread is about atheists.

And thar is your mistake. This thread is about a theist who cannot understand how there are people who can do without the psychological crutches he so desperately needs and is therefore assigning attributes to them which would make him feel better. We are just trying to correct him.

Most of you tend to forget that most atheists were theists before. So we know exactly what belief in God is. You, however, have no idea what we feel or think because you have never been there.

Duh. Look at the title of the thread. You don't have the say.

And that is just lawyering. There is no escaping the fact that we know what you think because we have been there. You have not been where we are. You can not know what we think or feel. You need a santa for grown ups. We don't.

sthitapragya wrote:You can not know what we think or feel.

I'm simply witnessing the ongoing manifestation of atheism.

Your thoughts and feelings about your thoughts and feelings are certainly relevant, if you are an atheist.

let us pause a moment in silence,
before customarily reacting in defense.

Walker wrote:

sthitapragya wrote:You can not know what we think or feel.

I'm simply witnessing the ongoing manifestation of atheism.

Your thoughts and feelings about your thoughts and feelings are certainly relevant, if you are an atheist.

No you are just seeing people reacting to a jerk. Atheist and theists alike would react the same way to you. You know that.

And you keep avoiding the main issue. You canot know how we think and feel because you have not yet grown into it mentally. I was a theist. So I know exactly how your theist mind works. You have no clue how my atheist mind works because you need to let go of your crutches and grow up.

Nick_A wrote:

Arising wrote: All this says is Philosophy shold be introduced to schools and I agree. However it's likely to opposed by the religious as questioning is not approved of.

My guess is that you want religion and theology back in schools as an answer for things. Well fear not as it looks like that's going to happen in the UK at least. Although it won't just be the Christian religion.

“There are three classes of men; lovers of wisdom, lovers of honor, and lovers of gain.” ~ Plato

What of the young who need more than gain from their education and really are uninterested in honor? They need more than facts from their education and honor from society. They need the skills necessary to gradually acquire wisdom to satisfy the need for meaning. This doesn’t include ridicule of the greater need for meaning so many atheists in education are skilled at to the point of spirit killing. Secular education is about social conditioning and job training. Human education includes educating the mind, body, and spirit, for the sake of becoming human rather than a conditioned cog in the body of the Great Beast or society itself.

I think I understand what you mean by spirit killing. Spirit killing is the negative reactionism typical of the atheist. This spirit killing is the destroyer, just as atheism is a philosophy of negation.

Positive reactionism is spirit nurturing. This is the creative. Much more rare. Examples? Christ came from brutal times and the transmission of spirit nurturing has outlived that brutal time and other times until now.

You can spot a teacher who is a spirit-nurturer from a mile away.

Walker wrote:

Nick_A wrote:

Arising wrote: All this says is Philosophy shold be introduced to schools and I agree. However it's likely to opposed by the religious as questioning is not approved of.

My guess is that you want religion and theology back in schools as an answer for things. Well fear not as it looks like that's going to happen in the UK at least. Although it won't just be the Christian religion.

“There are three classes of men; lovers of wisdom, lovers of honor, and lovers of gain.” ~ Plato

What of the young who need more than gain from their education and really are uninterested in honor? They need more than facts from their education and honor from society. They need the skills necessary to gradually acquire wisdom to satisfy the need for meaning. This doesn’t include ridicule of the greater need for meaning so many atheists in education are skilled at to the point of spirit killing. Secular education is about social conditioning and job training. Human education includes educating the mind, body, and spirit, for the sake of becoming human rather than a conditioned cog in the body of the Great Beast or society itself.

I think I understand what you mean by spirit killing. Spirit killing is the negative reactionism typical of the atheist. This spirit killing is the destroyer, just as atheism is a philosophy of negation.

Positive reactionism is spirit nurturing. This is the creative. Much more rare. Examples? Christ came from brutal times and the transmission of spirit nurturing has outlived that brutal time and other times until now.

You can spot a teacher who is a spirit-nurturer from a mile away.

You and Nick A sound like the same person.

sthitapragya wrote:

Walker wrote:

sthitapragya wrote:You can not know what we think or feel.

I'm simply witnessing the ongoing manifestation of atheism.

Your thoughts and feelings about your thoughts and feelings are certainly relevant, if you are an atheist.

No you are just seeing people reacting to a jerk. Atheist and theists alike would react the same way to you. You know that.

And you keep avoiding the main issue. You canot know how we think and feel because you have not yet grown into it mentally. I was a theist. So I know exactly how your theist mind works. You have no clue how my atheist mind works because you need to let go of your crutches and grow up.

You don't know what I am you dope.

You don't even know what you are.

That is manifestly evident.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:You and Nick A sound like the same person.

That's the nature of understanding the world around you.


I understand Nick.


I understand atheists and how they depend on concepts for existence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bQnxlHZsjY

Walker wrote:
You don't know what I am you dope.

You don't even know what you are.

That is manifestly evident.

Sorry, my friend but I know exactly what you are. Remember, I have been there. God beyond space and time, spirituality something atheists cannot grasp because they lack the higher self we have, etc etc. I know exactly. I also know how deep down you are utterly confused at all the contradictions. Actually bewildered is a better word. I know the denial of things staring me in the face because I was psychologically not ready.

I know exactly who you are.

And that is why this thread is an exercise in futility. If Nick really wants to know what an atheist is, he needs to look inside, get rid of his psychological crutches and he will know. Asking these questions won't help because he just hasn't grown into it and simply cannot understand.

sthitapragya wrote:

Walker wrote:
You don't know what I am you dope.

You don't even know what you are.

That is manifestly evident.

Sorry, my friend but I know exactly what you are. Remember, I have been there. God beyond space and time, spirituality something atheists cannot grasp because they lack the higher self we have, etc etc. I know exactly. I also know how deep down you are utterly confused at all the contradictions. Actually bewildered is a better word. I know the denial of things staring me in the face because I was psychologically not ready.

I know exactly who you are.

You're a loon.

Walker wrote:

sthitapragya wrote:

Walker wrote:
You don't know what I am you dope.

You don't even know what you are.

That is manifestly evident.

Sorry, my friend but I know exactly what you are. Remember, I have been there. God beyond space and time, spirituality something atheists cannot grasp because they lack the higher self we have, etc etc. I know exactly. I also know how deep down you are utterly confused at all the contradictions. Actually bewildered is a better word. I know the denial of things staring me in the face because I was psychologically not ready.

I know exactly who you are.

You're a loon.

That might very well be true, but just imagine, when you grow up and let go of your crutches, you get to be me.

All you atheists. Listen up.

All is not lost.

Neti-neti is also a philosophy of negation.

But unlike atheism which turns outward and relies on theists for existence, neti-neti looks inward and relies on awareness for existence.

Simply tuuurrrn that ship around to find ineffable, that is, if you're sincere. Lots of inertia, The Titanic in a full teacup.


There's other ways at other capacities.

Walker wrote:All you atheists. Listen up.

All is not lost.

Neti-neti is also a philosophy of negation.

But unlike atheism which turns outward and relies on theists for existence, neti-neti looks inward and relies on awareness for existence.

Simply tuuurrrn that ship around to find ineffable, that is, if you're sincere. Lots of inertia, The Titanic in a full teacup.



There's other ways at other capacities.

See what I mean? Been there, done that. When I first read the whole net neti (I still believe Shankaracharya is the greatest writer ever), it blew my mind too. But again, you just will have to grow out of it.

Also, neti neti tells you to look both inward and outward to find God, not only inward. When you deny everything inside and out, then you will understand God. At least that is the concept. Basically tells you that when you are left with nothing, that which is left is God. More obfuscation for the already bewildered.