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That's not exactly what I meant by "what do you think."

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Jaded Sage wrote:How about

"Wisdom is good reasoning that leads to thriving or flourishing."
- Aristotle

better.

As if that's all?? No way, that's the selfish animal talking, of that archaic time. Like I said earlier, true 100% wisdom is knowing the truth of "everything," but since that's virtually impossible, in this current human time frame,"relative Wisdom," is as close as one can get. So Wisdom is the degree of knowing all.

So it's not enough to thrive of flourish, or anything else for that matter. It's all about knowing the why and how of those things that matters, the fullest story of the causal and effectual world; all the interconnections, the dynamics of our human reality, that matters in the eyes of wisdom.

This relative human world of wisdom, that we aspire to attain, the highest level possible, not 'just' for our own good; as for the good of others, also yields our own good, everyone's good; this, the mark of the truly wise!

No?

SpheresOfBalance wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Jaded Sage wrote:How about

"Wisdom is good reasoning that leads to thriving or flourishing."
- Aristotle

better.

As if that's all?? No way, that's the selfish animal talking, of that archaic time. Like I said earlier, true 100% wisdom is knowing the truth of "everything,"
No?

Being wise is having the humility to know that knowing the truth of anything, fully or partially, is a negotiation between your interests, your perception and, the objects of your perception.
It's the ability to know the difference between fact and opinion and to know that everything you can ever know is always fundamentally theory laden.
There is no sense in which 100% truth is even meaningful as an idea.

I accept consciousness as fundamental. What it is though, beyond this 'impression', is beyond me, except for its encapsulation.

I kinda meant: how do we make sense of what he said, not do we agree with him. What does he mean, and why would he say that?

Jaded Sage wrote:How about

"Wisdom is good reasoning that leads to thriving or flourishing."
- Aristotle

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
better.

As if that's all?? No way, that's the selfish animal talking, of that archaic time. Like I said earlier, true 100% wisdom is knowing the truth of "everything,"
No?

Being wise is having the humility to know that
Yes humility is very important.

knowing the truth of anything, fully or partially, is a negotiation between your interests, your perception and, the objects of your perception.
Only for idiots, because you left out self evident facts/truths!

It's the ability to know the difference between fact and opinion
Close, rather 'fact and fiction!'

and to know that everything you can ever know is always fundamentally theory laden.
Not at all, this last clause actually contradicts the first. Some things are self evident as actual, true facts.

There is no sense in which 100% truth is even meaningful as an idea.
This last sentence is total bullshit! Simply evidence that one doesn't understand what truth is or distorts it purposely for nefarious gain, whether conscious of it or not.

Sorry, that you don't quite understand. The two words are synonymous. Truth (before 900; Middle English treuthe, Old English trēowth (cognate with Old Norse tryggth faith). See true, -th1) came long before Fact (1530-40; < Latin factum something done, deed, noun use of neuter of factus done, past participle of facere to do1), (at least 630-640 years). Truth was the word Fact of the past. Then Truth was argued by philosophers, enter the word fact to take it's place, not encumbered by that argument. You're not paying attention so here's the definition again, for the daft:

truth [trooth]
noun, plural truths [trooth z, trooths]

1. the true or actual state of a matter: He tried to find out the truth.
2. conformity with fact or reality; verity: the truth of a statement.
3. a verified or indisputable fact, proposition, principle, or the like: mathematical truths.
4. the state or character of being true.
5. actuality or actual existence.
6. an obvious or accepted fact; truism; platitude.
7. honesty; integrity; truthfulness.
Idioms
12. in truth, in reality; in fact; actually: In truth, moral decay hastened the decline of the Roman Empire.

Sorry, these facts, (truths), are all that matters, and are key to wisdom:

SoB previously said, and was ignored due to fear: 'So it's not enough to thrive of flourish, or anything else for that matter. It's all about knowing the 'why' and 'how' of those things that matter, the fullest story of the causal and effectual world; all the interconnections, the dynamics of our human reality, that matter in the eyes of wisdom.' In other words, "the truth/fact/actuality of the human condition as it directly relates to the universal."

SpheresOfBalance wrote:... it directly relates to the universal."

You are a waste of oxygen.

What does it mean for wisdom to be the kind of thinking that leads to thriving or flourishing?

Jaded Sage wrote:What does it mean for wisdom to be the kind of thinking that leads to thriving or flourishing?

Wisdom give you the means to thrive. It allows you to realise your achievements and give you the capability to achieve.

How is that different from intelligence or knowledge? I assume there is a difference, that wisdom, knowledge and intelligence are not all the same one thing.

Jaded Sage wrote:How is that different from intelligence or knowledge? I assume there is a difference, that wisdom, knowledge and intelligence are not all the same one thing.

People can have knowledge and not know what to do with it. Intelligence helps. But I think wisdom is what happens when you have knowledge and intelligence but also the experience to bring the two together.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote:... it directly relates to the universal."

You are a waste of oxygen.

And you are a waste, period!
Except of course, I'll bend a little with regard to those things you agree with me on, as it just goes to show not all of you is a waste, you're just partially rotten to the core.

Jaded Sage wrote:What is wisdom?

So you yourself did not even guess?

Not even right out of the box?

My definition of wisdom is knowing how to make a good gallon of homemade wine out of a batch of cherries and some wine yeast.

Jaded Sage wrote:How is that different from intelligence or knowledge? I assume there is a difference, that wisdom, knowledge and intelligence are not all the same one thing.

Wisdom = high intelligence + experience from age.

This helps with making a good batch of homemade wine out of a batch of cherries and some wine yeast.

What is wrong with black and white ??

Why do some of you geeks have to use a multitude of colors like some kindergarten class ??