Is Jesus Christ a man or a god?

[David Handeye]

Lets get this settled uwot . Nonlocality is what existed before locality happen as in the big bang right. It nonlocality still exists independent of the bang event as seen in spooky action or the frame of ref for a photon . Showing the nonmoving thing exists completly indenpendent of the moving things but is also the mover of moving things and hostes them as timespace. Certainty hostes uncertainty as an illusion.

sounds like dark matter.

[uwot]

Lets get this settled uwot . Nonlocality is what existed before locality happen as in the big bang right. It...

Whoa there, jackles; one thing at a time. So in your language, is 'nonlocality' an infinite nothingness in which the Big Bang is happening?

[jackles]

Yep a sizeless nothing not local physics. And is the photons frame of referance and exists simultaneously with the event.

[uwot]

So basically void. If you could use more familiar words, we could probably understand you better. I think what you are saying is that 'space' is empty, except for the bit where there is a universe. I'm guessing that you believe that intergalactic space is empty and that photons pass through it unhindered. If that is what you mean, the words you want are void and matter, rather than nonlocality and locality, which are completely different.

[jackles]

Space dosnt exist in nonlocality space exists simultaneously with nonlocality. Space exists relative to locality. There is no space outside the universe. Space comes into existance out of nnonlocality in simultaneousness with locality

[Ginkgo]

Lets get this settled uwot . Nonlocality is what existed before locality happen as in the big bang right.

It nonlocality still exists independent of the bang event as seen in spooky action or the frame of ref for a photon . Showing the nonmoving thing exists completly indenpendent of the moving things but is also the mover of moving things and hostes them as timespace. Certainty hostes uncertainty as an illusion.

Non-locality is not actually a place per se. It is not a place somewhere independent of this universe. Basically non-locality is employed for the purposes of measurement. In other words, to examine the obvious incompatibility of macro-physics with micro-physics, and the best way (if possible) to explain this apparent incompatibility. I don't see how it is possible for non-locality to exist prior to locality. If it did then we wouldn't have this measurement problem."
I also can't see what an "unmoved mover" has to do with quantum non-locality. Does an "unmoved mover" contribute anything to the problem of local realism? Non-locality is little more than the wiki explanation.


Quantum nonlocality
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Quantum mechanics
\sigma_x \sigma_p \ge \frac{\hbar}{2}

In theoretical physics, quantum nonlocality is the phenomenon by which the measurements made at a microscopic level necessarily refute one or more notions (often referred to as local realism) that are regarded as intuitively true in classical mechanics. Rigorously, quantum nonlocality refers to quantum mechanical predictions of many-system measurement correlations that cannot be simulated by any local hidden variable theory. Many entangled quantum states produce such correlations when measured, as demonstrated by Bell's theorem.

Experiments have generally favoured quantum mechanics as a description of nature, over local hidden variable theories.[1][2] Any physical theory that supersedes or replaces quantum theory must make similar experimental predictions and must therefore also be nonlocal in this sense; quantum nonlocality is a property of the universe that is independent of our description of nature.

Whilst quantum nonlocality improves the efficiency of various computational tasks,[3] it does not allow for faster-than-light communication,[4] and hence is compatible with special relativity. However, it prompts many of the foundational discussions concerning quantum theory.


www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_nonlocality

[jackles]

Ginkgo nonlocality shows up in physics because it is the presenter of physics and as such is the mover of moving things. But of its self it is not of physics and remains nonmoving and sizeless because it sits outside physics and cant therefor be measured. It exists simultaneously with physics.

[Ginkgo]

Ginkgo nonlocality shows up in physics because it is the presenter of physics and as such is the mover of moving things. But of its self it is not of physics and remains nonmoving and sizeless because it sits outside physics and cant therefor be measured. It exists simultaneously with physics.

Jackles, did you read the link?

[jackles]

Yep ive now just read it and its saying what im saying . And that is nonlocality exists independent of nature but simultaneously to nature. Bells theorum is saying that there is nothing in nature that causes no locality. Non locality exists simultaneously parallel to nature but not of it. The truth is nonlocality causes nature to exist.

[uwot]

Yep ive now just read it and its saying what im saying . And that is nonlocality exists independent of nature but simultaneously to nature.

Can you quote the bits in the link that you believe say this?

Bells theorum is saying that there is nothing in nature that causes no locality.

Same question, really. What words in the link, or any description of Bell's Theorem supports that interpretation?

Non locality exists simultaneously parallel to nature but not of it. The truth is nonlocality causes nature to exist.

It is very possibly true that nature would be very different without non-locality, but it is a bold claim that it's cause and effect.

[jackles]

Just deal with the hidden variable bit. Bells theorum proved there are no hidden links within the nature of spooky action proving nonlocality works out side the normal local nature of things to cause spooky action

[Immanuel Can]

Wow. Has this strand ever died and gone to seed since last I looked in.

That will teach me to be nonlocal.

[jackles]

Imanuel .jesus taught love and love of its self is nonlocal to the local event.

[Ginkgo]

Just deal with the hidden variable bit. Bells theorum proved there are no hidden links within the nature of spooky action proving nonlocality works out side the normal local nature of things to cause spooky action

Jackles, Bell's Theorem cannot prove any sort of "cause". The experiment is not trying to do this. The experiment is statistical evidence there are no hidden variables. It is not saying what is the case in terms of cause and effect, it is saying what is not the case in terms of cause and effect. In other words, it is a measurement experiment.

[uwot]

Wow. Has this strand ever died and gone to seed since last I looked in.

That will teach me to be nonlocal.

In fairness, jackles is at least trying to incorporate science into his beliefs, rather than insist that his beliefs are scientific. On top of that, he isn't blithely rude to other contributors.