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Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2026 12:21 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2026 2:57 am

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2026 10:40 pm Thus, Alexis Jacobi demonstrates clear-thinking, clear-seeing, clear-explaining.

...of one distorted and limited view.

I did not say nor do I imply that the view I presented could compete with the sort of conclusive view that a real champion of perception and understanding would, if challenged, put forth! How, clear-thinking one, would you correct what I stutteringly put forward? Be merciful!

You seem to continually over-sell your version of human thinking while highly regarding yourself for it.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2026 1:07 pm Do you wish for Alexis Jacobi to guide the conversation through the maze of ideational warring that is the present structure and platform that we all exist in and function through?

Are you an adoring fan in the audience of your own presentation? If only you could clone yourself, you'd have a sold-out venue!

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2026 4:00 pm You seem to continually over-sell your version of human thinking while highly regarding yourself for it.

Wait, what other thinking is there !!

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2026 5:58 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2026 4:00 pm You seem to continually over-sell your version of human thinking while highly regarding yourself for it.

Wait, what other thinking is there !!

Apparently, you lack the receptor for it. Thanks for demonstrating this shortcoming so vividly.

***the world (excluding the U.S.) will be allied in a war against Israel.***

Judging by Mamdani and his ilk, the United States is also turning into an Islamist garbage dump.
Well, maybe Gog and Magog are just around the corner, and the allies in their insanity, choose sides.

By the way, Christ is our man, a Jew,
"You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews."
That is, the antichrist is against the Jews, against Israel.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2026 10:40 pm

seeds wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2026 9:14 pm ...no, it will be because the Israeli Jews are land-stealing, genocidal maniacs, who, by their evil and malevolent treatment of their fellow humans, are hell-bent on proving how prophecies can be brought to a “self-fulfilling” fruition as a result of the actions of the very people who penned the prophecies in the first place.

First, all peoples, at all times, steal land. Rome conquered the Northern tribes of Europe and what resulted? Europe that at one time (prior to WWl) was “the jewel of the world”.

Is that little blurb of common knowledge an example of the “revelations” that fill the pages of your email courses?

My goodness, that's almost as mind-blowingly obvious as this...

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2026 10:14 pm "...The powers that really control the nation are not its elected representatives but those concentrations of immense wealth..."

If those two Earth-shattering newsflashes are a sampling of the kind of information you are asking people to pay you for in your, again, email courses, then it’s no mystery as to why you are a fan of Trump. Indeed, you appreciate how he takes advantage of [and fleeces] the “uneducated.” Shame on you, Jacobi,...shame on you!

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2026 10:40 pm If you really are committed to making a list of the larger perpetrators of cruelty against “fellow humans” the Israelis would be waaaaay down at the bottom …

In an earlier post regarding my conspiracy theory query to AI Overview, you stated that AI Overview...

"...steered you wrong with its “answer” which took you very far off the trail of the ‘truth’..."

Well, if you're going to talk about something “steering someone away from something”...

...then we must not ignore the fact that here I was attempting to offer a lofty and fun (albeit speculative) suggestion as to how and where Trump, Musk, and Israel fit into the interesting (to me) subject of the “End Times Prophecies” that were penned in the Bible by the ancient Jews,...

...and here you are introducing a bunch of sidetracking “whataboutisms” in an attempt to steer the conversation away from my novel ideas of how the prophecies might actually play out,...

...and into a direction that is more suited to your attenuated level of awareness - you know, more of a "child’s view."

Anyway, it was a nice try, but the truth behind your tactics, motives, and explanations is as obvious as the chocolate frosting on a three-year-old’s face who denies going anywhere near the cake in the kitchen.
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Janoah wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2026 10:09 pm Judging by Mamdani and his ilk, the United States is also turning into an Islamist garbage dump.

The nation now manifests itself in ways that are pretty shocking. But the issue which is so very difficult and fraught is in being able to describe what is going on, what happened. And as I have been pointing out, just as on this forum, there is no agreement among those with starkly different ideological positions. Each one has a very different perceptual stance. And they are discordant, each with the other.

Well, maybe Gog and Magog are just around the corner, and the allies in their insanity, choose sides.

History always plays very devilishly with the diaspora Jews, don’t you think? Jewish fate is so bizarrely complex and decisions that seem rational and necessary, in the end backfire. You’d think that Zionism and establishing a state would result in a solution. But then that devil history turns the entire aspiration into an unsolvable problem. And there is no Jew, either fundamentalist and ultra-religious, or totally secular, that really has any notion of how “it” could be settled.

By the way, Christ is our man, a Jew, "You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews."

In fact this is completely wrong. Only because the figure “Jesus Christ” cannot be reconciled with that figure known as “Yahweh”. It is convenient to see Jesus Christ as a Jewish ‘body’ but within the personality of this Entity is an entire set of definitions that turns radically against “Jewish identity” as such.

It is quite bizarre really this disconnection between one conceptual structure and the one supplanting it. You should familiarize yourself with Fr. Denis Fahey:

Fahey argued that modern history could be understood as a conflict between the Catholic concept of order based on Christ the King and what he called "organized naturalism" — movements that seek to organize society without reference to Christ. He included in this category Freemasonry, liberalism, communism, and what he described as Jewish naturalism.

That is, the antichrist is against the Jews, against Israel.

I said previously that you could only organize your understanding through the lens of a citizen of the nation of Israel and through an applied and integrated Zionist identity and ideology. I certainly cannot blame you. However, the “real truths” about our human situations cannot be arrived at by way of our investments in identity. Unfortunately that kind of fucks us over because we all have our investments, our objectives, our visions and of course our “ownership interests”.

seeds wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2026 1:19 am then it’s no mystery as to why you are a fan of Trump. Indeed, you appreciate how he takes advantage of [and fleeces] the “uneducated.” Shame on you, Jacobi,...shame on you!

Fan of Trump? No, it was never that. My sole hope was rather simple: it was the self-interested hope that Trump et al would initiate a constructive movement to strengthen industry within the United States. You know, to rebuild the industrial base. The minute (quite literally) that Trump initiated a Middle East war that many experts knew would only turn into a quagmire, is the point where I lost faith that the Trumpian movement would carry out what it promised.

As much as I would genuinely like to discuss all aspects of “what is going on” I realize that each participant on this forum is incapable of cool and rigorous investigation of the causes of this bizarre juncture in American history. You all come across as weird people who have eaten a few too many of the loco-beans. “You” are therefore symptomatic of the general madness that has the nation and the culture in its grip. I am sorry to put it so starkly. But this is an accurate description.

Again: study The Culture of Conspiracy and try to grasp the psychological factors at play.

So I can only discuss “symptoms” since you-plural constantly manifest them. Fine! If that is what you want I’mm all in …

You fail to understand: all power is Machiavellian. And can only be understood by way of Machiavellian analysis. But that analysis is undertaken disinterestedly (in the best of cases). Donald Trump has dropped the mask that the genuine Machiavellians have used so successfully but so hypocritically in the Postwar era.

Shame?! What in Heaven’s name must I feel shame for? The world is not my creation. I did not set it in motion and I do not control its motions. I watch them. And at the same time consider my own “ownership interest”.

seeds wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2026 1:19 am in an attempt to steer the conversation away from my novel ideas of how the prophecies might actually play out,...

Oh no, I am quite interested in hearing how you will develop this idea.

I guess my primary initial comment is that “the nature of the human struggle”, and therefore the mythological conflict between God and Satan, is really (or perhaps only) a struggle within man’s terrible (natural) predicament: that in order to survive, to live, he must like all other biological creatures, kill and devour other creatures. The basis of Life is in that. And not only does it not change it cannot change!

And who has created this situation?!

Answer: Whatever it is when we use the term God or Creator. Or if we do away with that concept we can only say “nature”, the way it is.

...then we must not ignore the fact that here I was attempting to offer a lofty and fun (albeit speculative) suggestion as to how and where Trump, Musk, and Israel fit into the interesting (to me) subject of the “End Times Prophecies” that were penned in the Bible by the ancient Jews,...

:::unbuckles tap-dancing shoes:::
:::places hat and cane on the chair:::
:::points suggestively to them:::

There! There you go. Put them on Seeds and let’s see your shtick!

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2026 1:13 pm The minute (quite literally) that Trump initiated a Middle East war that many experts knew would only turn into a quagmire, is the point where I lost faith that the Trumpian movement would carry out what it promised.

How could you even imagine that such an obvious lying buffoon and his idiotic sycophants were ever, at all, believable or capable? Might this be a flashing red light that you don't see as fully or as accurately as you think you do?

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2026 1:13 pmAs much as I would genuinely like to discuss all aspects of “what is going on” I realize that each participant on this forum is incapable of cool and rigorous investigation of the causes of this bizarre juncture in American history. You all come across as weird people who have eaten a few too many of the loco-beans. “You” are therefore symptomatic of the general madness that has the nation and the culture in its grip. I am sorry to put it so starkly. But this is an accurate description.

Yet, what you have clearly put forth is that you are so blinded by your adoration of your own thinking, that you reject or don't understand what doesn't fit within your bubble, and this, you think, demonstrates superior intelligence.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2026 1:13 pm

seeds wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2026 1:19 am then it’s no mystery as to why you are a fan of Trump. Indeed, you appreciate how he takes advantage of [and fleeces] the “uneducated.” Shame on you, Jacobi,...shame on you!

Fan of Trump? No, it was never that. My sole hope was rather simple: it was the self-interested hope that Trump et al would initiate a constructive movement to strengthen industry within the United States. You know, to rebuild the industrial base. The minute (quite literally) that Trump initiated a Middle East war that many experts knew would only turn into a quagmire, is the point where I lost faith that the Trumpian movement would carry out what it promised.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2026 4:15 pm How could you even imagine that such an obvious lying buffoon and his idiotic sycophants were ever, at all, believable or capable? Might this be a flashing red light that you don't see as fully or as accurately as you think you do?

Just to add an exclamation mark to Lacewing's astute assessment of what you stated above,..

...I say, "good grief, Jacobi," are there no mirrors in that little mind of yours?!

Are you so completely lacking in self-awareness that by admitting that it wasn’t until "the literal minute" that Trump initiated a war that began with the slaughter of 150 little schoolgirls (ages 7 - 12) that you lost faith in him?...

...which therefore suggests that up until that minute, you were too dumb to realize that “having faith” in a pathological liar to begin with...

(indeed, faith in the most prolific liar to have ever walked the face of the Earth)

...might not be a good idea?

But that’s okay, my sleepwalking little buddy, you’re not alone.

Indeed, the ancient Biblical prophecies did proclaim that in the End Times...

“...there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect...”

It's a stretch, but I think you can be considered as being ranked among the “very elect.”

The End Times Prophecies also mention something about God sending a...

“...strong delusion...”

...to the unrighteous* so that the unrighteous...

“...should believe a lie...”

*You do know who the “unrighteous” are, don’t you, Jacobi?

Well, in a nutshell, they’re the ones who have no problem with their elected leaders...

(like the liar Trump - in whom you had "faith")

...slaughtering (blowing to pieces/dismembering) little schoolgirls so long as the “unrighteous” can still get the oil, gas. and other resources they need to facilitate and perpetuate their unrighteous (faux "Christian") lifestyles.

seeds wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2026 1:19 am ...then we must not ignore the fact that here I was attempting to offer a lofty and fun (albeit speculative) suggestion as to how and where Trump, Musk, and Israel fit into the interesting (to me) subject of the “End Times Prophecies” that were penned in the Bible by the ancient Jews,...

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2026 1:30 pm :::unbuckles tap-dancing shoes:::
:::places hat and cane on the chair:::
:::points suggestively to them:::

There! There you go. Put them on Seeds and let’s see your shtick!

I already presented my "shtick" to you, and you ignored it, opting to offer a slew of, again, sidetracking “whataboutisms” that had nothing to do with the point I was making.

Indeed, in my initial presentation of my shtick, I even pointed you toward another philosophy discussion site that is possibly teeming with new suckers for the snake oil you try to peddle in your email courses.

So, you see, my little brother, I’m lookin’ out for you.

Here’s a repost of the link to that site and, more importantly, to my “shtick.”...

seeds wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2026 9:14 pm (See the amusing post I made on the ILP forum where I show video evidence of how the "False Prophet" - Elon Musk - has already demonstrated how he "...makes fire come down from heaven...". At the very least, by checking out my post on the ILP site, you might realize that there is a whole new [untapped] source of suckers for your [twenty-thousand dollar] email course. Here’s the link - https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/can-t ... 08?u=seeds)
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Btw, not in a million years would I be caught wearing those prissy little dancing shoes of yours.

I mean, they looked silly enough on Dorothy, but on you?...it’s just downright embarrassing.
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Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2026 4:15 pm How could you even imagine that such an obvious lying buffoon and his idiotic sycophants were ever, at all, believable or capable? Might this be a flashing red light that you don't see as fully or as accurately as you think you do?

The buffoon and the regime that Trump superseded is essentially of the same stuff. It is less the personalities of the players and far more the dangerous conditions of both a nation and the empire run by the rulers and controllers of that nation and empire that you or anyone should pay attention to.

Honestly, I do not think I had many illusions about the man, Donald Trump, and it was far more that I had sone faith in the ‘movement’ that Trump spearheaded or perhaps inspired.

In your case, and I don’t think you have much self-consciousness about this, your TDS induces you to focus a blind, emoted contempt and hatred exclusively on the man. But I doubt you have much understanding or interest in ‘the nation’ or the sociological factors strongly operative in the present. I don’t think you have much interest or concern in very much at all. So “Trump hatred” (likely) serves a complex of purposes for you — as it does for many.

The ‘populist rage’ is really the topic, you see. It is anything but rational so hard to talk about.

So, my main argument (misgiving) against Donald Trump remains just as I said: I think he mishandled the deportation operation, and then allowed himself to be pulled into this war at the very worst time (and a war with many known pitfalls). Had he (and his administration) handled those things better, my view of him would be more favorable. There is a group of quite positive policy achievements notwithstanding the badly handled deportation operation and of course this war. Unfortunately, as a man he has extremely notable personality defects.

seeds wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2026 8:29 pm Seeds quoting Scripture: “...there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect...”

Seeds, you must know that at all junctures in history people have read this text, then looked out at their world, and seen the same signs and false prophets and even great signs and wonders.

seeds wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2026 8:29 pm
Btw, not in a million years would I be caught wearing those prissy little dancing shoes of yours.

Have it your way. But what about the cane and the hat?

Look, I think you guys can do better.