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accelafine wrote: Sat Jul 12, 2025 9:19 am ''While Asians are often touted as the smartest people in the world, Ashkenazi Jews as a group average 115 on an IQ test—eight points higher than Asians and dramatically higher than the world average of 79.1''
Quoting without a source? Well I can tell you're not an Ashkenazi Jew.
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accelafine wrote: Sat Jul 12, 2025 9:19 am ''While Asians are often touted as the smartest people in the world, Ashkenazi Jews as a group average 115 on an IQ test—eight points higher than Asians and dramatically higher than the world average of 79.1''

''The results provide seven points of interest. First, they confirm the previous studies showing that Jews have a higher average verbal intelligence level than non-Jewish whites. Second, the 7.5 IQ point Jewish advantage is rather less than that generally proposed and found in the studies reviewed in the introduction finding that Jews have verbal IQs in the range of 110–113 but is closely similar to the figure of 107.8 obtained in the Bachman study which is arguably the most satisfactory.''

You can poo poo the studies if you like. There are plenty of them. Why so many Nobel prize winners in the sciences for such a small world population?
I don't need to poo poo the studies myself, if you read the book instead of quoting clickbait editorial blurb from the back cover, you will for sure find the author poo pooing them himself. That's how this stuff invariably works.
accelafine wrote: Sat Jul 12, 2025 9:19 am Although 79.1 seems extremely low for the world average. That's essentially retarded :shock:
Indeed. Whoever cited that statistic is either at the lower end of the IQ spectrum themselves, or willing to drop the pretence of apples to apples comparison for some reason that presumably relates to sales of the book.

I asked Gemini: does Kelly James Clark actually believe that some ethnic groups are more intelligent than others? It started off with denial, then went "Oops, something went wrong." And no it can't answer the question any more at all. I rather assume the correct answer is actually "no" though.

It's time for you to find some face-saving way out of this now isn't it?
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Sat Jul 12, 2025 10:25 am
accelafine wrote: Sat Jul 12, 2025 9:19 am ''While Asians are often touted as the smartest people in the world, Ashkenazi Jews as a group average 115 on an IQ test—eight points higher than Asians and dramatically higher than the world average of 79.1''

''The results provide seven points of interest. First, they confirm the previous studies showing that Jews have a higher average verbal intelligence level than non-Jewish whites. Second, the 7.5 IQ point Jewish advantage is rather less than that generally proposed and found in the studies reviewed in the introduction finding that Jews have verbal IQs in the range of 110–113 but is closely similar to the figure of 107.8 obtained in the Bachman study which is arguably the most satisfactory.''

You can poo poo the studies if you like. There are plenty of them. Why so many Nobel prize winners in the sciences for such a small world population?
I don't need to poo poo the studies myself, if you read the book instead of quoting clickbait editorial blurb from the back cover, you will for sure find the author poo pooing them himself. That's how this stuff invariably works.
accelafine wrote: Sat Jul 12, 2025 9:19 am Although 79.1 seems extremely low for the world average. That's essentially retarded :shock:
Indeed. Whoever cited that statistic is either at the lower end of the IQ spectrum themselves, or willing to drop the pretence of apples to apples comparison for some reason that presumably relates to sales of the book.

I asked Gemini: does Kelly James Clark actually believe that some ethnic groups are more intelligent than others? It started off with denial, then went "Oops, something went wrong." And no it can't answer the question any more at all. I rather assume the correct answer is actually "no" though.

It's time for you to find some face-saving way out of this now isn't it?
I couldn't give a shit what my 'face' looks like to you. You haven't convinced me of anything. You seem to think I give a shit what you 'think'. Everything is about politics to people like you. More male arrogance and conceit. Fuck off.
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Who the fuck is 'Gemini' and 'Kelly J Clark'?
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Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jul 12, 2025 9:59 am
accelafine wrote: Sat Jul 12, 2025 9:19 am ''While Asians are often touted as the smartest people in the world, Ashkenazi Jews as a group average 115 on an IQ test—eight points higher than Asians and dramatically higher than the world average of 79.1''
Quoting without a source? Well I can tell you're not an Ashkenazi Jew.
You would be correct. I'm from a lower IQ group which doesn't bother me at all, unlike some on here who seem to be terribly upset by this fact.
You only have to google it. Pretty much every site regarding 'IQ' testing says the same thing. It was some site called 'ScienceDirect'.
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accelafine wrote: Sat Jul 12, 2025 10:41 am Who the fuck is 'Gemini' and 'Kelly J Clark'?
I googled your quote ''While Asians are often touted as the smartest people in the world, Ashkenazi Jews as a group average 115 on an IQ test—eight points higher than Asians and dramatically higher than the world average of 79.1'" to find out where it came from. That's how I came to name that author you've never heard of...
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Fri Jul 11, 2025 11:53 am
Belinda wrote: Fri Jul 11, 2025 9:44 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: Thu Jul 10, 2025 5:38 pm
You are requesting the statistical basis for an anti-semitic conspiracy theory about jews running all the media and banks are you not? And you seem to be doing so in repsonse to an AI chatbot declaring itself the mechahitler. That's kinda dumb.
I have wondered about Jews and why this ethnic group seems to be so intelligent and creative , long before I ever heard about ChatGPT. I also wondered why Jews as an ethnic group were so often oppressed by establishments.
Do you think there some ethnicities that are cleverer than others and more imaginative? Are any of them lazy perhaps, or prone to crime? Apparently Grok will tell you all about that. Get it while it's nazi.
I have to congratulate you Belinda, you have outed Veggie as a proponent of racial intelligence theories along with GrandWizard22 and (one assumes) Jacobi. There's a couple of others here if we're honest though, but they aren't dumb enough to say it out loud. Does that include you?
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Jealousy gets you nowhere, dummy. Blame your parents for not feeding you properly or giving you the right puzzles.
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Sat Jul 12, 2025 11:01 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: Fri Jul 11, 2025 11:53 am
Belinda wrote: Fri Jul 11, 2025 9:44 am
I have wondered about Jews and why this ethnic group seems to be so intelligent and creative , long before I ever heard about ChatGPT. I also wondered why Jews as an ethnic group were so often oppressed by establishments.
Do you think there some ethnicities that are cleverer than others and more imaginative? Are any of them lazy perhaps, or prone to crime? Apparently Grok will tell you all about that. Get it while it's nazi.
I have to congratulate you Belinda, you have outed Veggie as a proponent of racial intelligence theories along with GrandWizard22 and (one assumes) Jacobi. There's a couple of others here if we're honest though, but they aren't dumb enough to say it out loud. Does that include you?
I've never mentioned the words 'ethnicity' or 'race'. That would be you, you hypocritical wanker. So what you are claiming is that every single human has exactly the same level of intelligence.
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Flash , you feel deeply that racism is wrong, and most people here including me would feel that too. My own belief is that an ethnic group is not the same as a racial group. Indeed I'm not at all sure I know what a racial group is.
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Belinda wrote: Sat Jul 12, 2025 11:36 am Flash , you feel deeply that racism is wrong, and most people here including me would feel that too. My own belief is that an ethnic group is not the same as a racial group. Indeed I'm not at all sure I know what a racial group is.
Well look what all your talk about ethnicities has done to poor old Veggie. And now that wishy washy rubbish trying to introduce cheap vocabulary confusion as an escape? Tut Tut Belinda. Tut Tut.

So I revert you to a question about why you started all this... Why did you introduce this matter of Jews being the clever and creative ethnicity?
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Sat Jul 12, 2025 11:44 am
Belinda wrote: Sat Jul 12, 2025 11:36 am Flash , you feel deeply that racism is wrong, and most people here including me would feel that too. My own belief is that an ethnic group is not the same as a racial group. Indeed I'm not at all sure I know what a racial group is.
Well look what all your talk about ethnicities has done to poor old Veggie. And now that wishy washy rubbish trying to introduce cheap vocabulary confusion as an escape? Tut Tut Belinda. Tut Tut.

So I revert you to a question about why you started all this... Why did you introduce this matter of Jews being the clever and creative ethnicity?
To help me to understand why Jews have been oppressed, for centuries and all over Europe to different degrees.
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Sat Jul 12, 2025 11:44 am
Belinda wrote: Sat Jul 12, 2025 11:36 am Flash , you feel deeply that racism is wrong, and most people here including me would feel that too. My own belief is that an ethnic group is not the same as a racial group. Indeed I'm not at all sure I know what a racial group is.
Well look what all your talk about ethnicities has done to poor old Veggie. And now that wishy washy rubbish trying to introduce cheap vocabulary confusion as an escape? Tut Tut Belinda. Tut Tut.

So I revert you to a question about why you started all this... Why did you introduce this matter of Jews being the clever and creative ethnicity?
What the fuck are you blithering about? You haven't even presented an 'argument'. What exactly 'are' you saying, flashy washy?
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He never answers. The man is thick as brick sandwich and far less honest.
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Belinda wrote: Sat Jul 12, 2025 11:47 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: Sat Jul 12, 2025 11:44 am
Belinda wrote: Sat Jul 12, 2025 11:36 am Flash , you feel deeply that racism is wrong, and most people here including me would feel that too. My own belief is that an ethnic group is not the same as a racial group. Indeed I'm not at all sure I know what a racial group is.
Well look what all your talk about ethnicities has done to poor old Veggie. And now that wishy washy rubbish trying to introduce cheap vocabulary confusion as an escape? Tut Tut Belinda. Tut Tut.

So I revert you to a question about why you started all this... Why did you introduce this matter of Jews being the clever and creative ethnicity?
To help me to understand why Jews have been oppressed, for centuries and all over Europe to different degrees.
That doesn't make any sense. I mean I still don't get how you went down that rabbit hole from the input of a fucked up chatbot declaring itself MechaHitler, but still. Why would you link oppression to cleverness like that? There's no reasoning in there that I can discern.
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