Gaza Crisis: Are we morally wrong?

[Age]

Erm, where is the West doing that? With BOTG? The British Army destroyed itself in Iraq & Afghanistan. America very wisely abandoned the latter after 20 wasted years. Keeps its hand in in and around Iraq.

Yes, well, it does not sound like we are going to have a rewarding dialogue. What do you make of America's endless wars? What purpose do they serve other than feeding the industrial military complex? What do you think brought on the Ukraine crisis? Do you know any of its history? If you are an American, you seem uninformed about the country's history and behaviours in the here and now. So, America wants everyone to be free and happy, is that it?

Not if you continue thinking you know something I don't, polemically, no. I come from the most bellicose country in history.

How 'narrowed' is 'this one's' perspective, here?

I wonder how long it thinks or believes 'history' is, exactly?

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Yes, well, it does not sound like we are going to have a rewarding dialogue. What do you make of America's endless wars? What purpose do they serve other than feeding the industrial military complex? What do you think brought on the Ukraine crisis? Do you know any of its history? If you are an American, you seem uninformed about the country's history and behaviours in the here and now. So, America wants everyone to be free and happy, is that it?

Not if you continue thinking you know something I don't, polemically, no. I come from the most bellicose country in history.

How 'narrowed' is 'this one's' perspective, here?

I wonder how long it thinks or believes 'history' is, exactly?

You're asking your own projection again. Not me. Only you can answer. For you. Do you know?

[popeye1945]

Erm, where is the West doing that? With BOTG? The British Army destroyed itself in Iraq & Afghanistan. America very wisely abandoned the latter after 20 wasted years. Keeps its hand in in and around Iraq.

Yes, well, it does not sound like we are going to have a rewarding dialogue. What do you make of America's endless wars? What purpose do they serve other than feeding the industrial military complex? What do you think brought on the Ukraine crisis? Do you know any of its history? If you are an American, you seem uninformed about the country's history and behaviours in the here and now. So, America wants everyone to be free and happy, is that it?

Not if you continue thinking you know something I don't, polemically, no. I come from the most bellicose country in history.

Battle is not the primary purpose of philosophical dialogue. I think you are aware of my stance. I may have you wrong, but you seem to be, above all else, pro-America. Am I reading you wrong? If you believe America is the land of virtue, we are wasting each other's time.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Yes, well, it does not sound like we are going to have a rewarding dialogue. What do you make of America's endless wars? What purpose do they serve other than feeding the industrial military complex? What do you think brought on the Ukraine crisis? Do you know any of its history? If you are an American, you seem uninformed about the country's history and behaviours in the here and now. So, America wants everyone to be free and happy, is that it?

Not if you continue thinking you know something I don't, polemically, no. I come from the most bellicose country in history.

Battle is not the primary purpose of philosophical dialogue. I think you are aware of my stance. I may have you wrong, but you seem to be, above all else, pro-America. Am I reading you wrong? If you believe America is the land of virtue, we are wasting each other's time.

I'm a card carrying Labour Party member. A stoic. A realist. A Rogerian. I am fully aware of the appalling abuse of power of the British ruling class for a thousand years, that the blood never dried (and yes, I've read the devastating book) on the British Empire, starting with Ireland over 800 years ago. I am a beneficiary of immense evil. As are you. I am acutely aware of American history. Virtue is landed nowhere on Earth. The ruling class make sure that the working class get blood on their hands, are complicit. They steal the land and sell you a country. Why would I think, believe any of the things you attribute to me? I am very well, broadly and deeply read for a common man. Even so, I only read Eric Williams' definitive Capitalism and Slavery three years ago. I worked for a Britistani company and they had no idea how radical I was; I understand Bin Laden. 9 11. 7 7. In 2009-10 I lived in a house with an excellent group of Muslim postgraduates, we'd talk about anything and everything. We loved each other. I had Ramadan suppers with them. Shisha! They'd bring friends round who were scared that an old Anglo guy was around and they'd laugh it off, especially the Palestinian guy who invited me to Jordan. And yes, I had worked for the security services. They were safe with me. They came up from London to take me out to dinner later. Anything else?

[Perspective]

…Make up your tiny little mind dipshit.

Do you realize that’s an ad hominem attack logical fallacy?

[Perspective]

...A Jewish atheist is a oxymoron.
An identity claiming to be chosen by a god, cannot continue identifying as such, if it has rejected god.

Fair point.
It’s estimated that 80% of Ashkinazi jews are nonreligious.

So again, it’s not about race or religion but an elite club including all recent US presidents.

[Age]

Not if you continue thinking you know something I don't, polemically, no. I come from the most bellicose country in history.

Battle is not the primary purpose of philosophical dialogue. I think you are aware of my stance. I may have you wrong, but you seem to be, above all else, pro-America. Am I reading you wrong? If you believe America is the land of virtue, we are wasting each other's time.

I'm a card carrying Labour Party member. A stoic. A realist. A Rogerian. I am fully aware of the appalling abuse of power of the British ruling class for a thousand years, that the blood never dried (and yes, I've read the devastating book) on the British Empire, starting with Ireland over 800 years ago. I am a beneficiary of immense evil. As are you. I am acutely aware of American history. Virtue is landed nowhere on Earth. The ruling class make sure that the working class get blood on their hands, are complicit. They steal the land and sell you a country. Why would I think, believe any of the things you attribute to me? I am very well, broadly and deeply read for a common man. Even so, I only read Eric Williams' definitive Capitalism and Slavery three years ago. I worked for a Britistani company and they had no idea how radical I was; I understand Bin Laden. 9 11. 7 7. In 2009-10 I lived in a house with an excellent group of Muslim postgraduates, we'd talk about anything and everything. We loved each other. I had Ramadan suppers with them. Shisha! They'd bring friends round who were scared that an old Anglo guy was around and they'd laugh it off, especially the Palestinian guy who invited me to Jordan. And yes, I had worked for the security services. They were safe with me. They came up from London to take me out to dinner later. Anything else?

Well this very narrowed view and perspective of things, answers more thoroughly my two previous questions, above, here, which were;

How 'narrowed' is 'this one's' perspective, here?

I wonder how long it thinks or believes 'history' is, exactly?

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Battle is not the primary purpose of philosophical dialogue. I think you are aware of my stance. I may have you wrong, but you seem to be, above all else, pro-America. Am I reading you wrong? If you believe America is the land of virtue, we are wasting each other's time.

I'm a card carrying Labour Party member. A stoic. A realist. A Rogerian. I am fully aware of the appalling abuse of power of the British ruling class for a thousand years, that the blood never dried (and yes, I've read the devastating book) on the British Empire, starting with Ireland over 800 years ago. I am a beneficiary of immense evil. As are you. I am acutely aware of American history. Virtue is landed nowhere on Earth. The ruling class make sure that the working class get blood on their hands, are complicit. They steal the land and sell you a country. Why would I think, believe any of the things you attribute to me? I am very well, broadly and deeply read for a common man. Even so, I only read Eric Williams' definitive Capitalism and Slavery three years ago. I worked for a Britistani company and they had no idea how radical I was; I understand Bin Laden. 9 11. 7 7. In 2009-10 I lived in a house with an excellent group of Muslim postgraduates, we'd talk about anything and everything. We loved each other. I had Ramadan suppers with them. Shisha! They'd bring friends round who were scared that an old Anglo guy was around and they'd laugh it off, especially the Palestinian guy who invited me to Jordan. And yes, I had worked for the security services. They were safe with me. They came up from London to take me out to dinner later. Anything else?

Well this very narrowed view and perspective of things, answers more thoroughly my two previous questions, above, here, which were;

How 'narrowed' is 'this one's' perspective, here?

I wonder how long it thinks or believes 'history' is, exactly?

They are even less meaningful here than previously. I.e. negative. Answer . your . self.

[Age]

I'm a card carrying Labour Party member. A stoic. A realist. A Rogerian. I am fully aware of the appalling abuse of power of the British ruling class for a thousand years, that the blood never dried (and yes, I've read the devastating book) on the British Empire, starting with Ireland over 800 years ago. I am a beneficiary of immense evil. As are you. I am acutely aware of American history. Virtue is landed nowhere on Earth. The ruling class make sure that the working class get blood on their hands, are complicit. They steal the land and sell you a country. Why would I think, believe any of the things you attribute to me? I am very well, broadly and deeply read for a common man. Even so, I only read Eric Williams' definitive Capitalism and Slavery three years ago. I worked for a Britistani company and they had no idea how radical I was; I understand Bin Laden. 9 11. 7 7. In 2009-10 I lived in a house with an excellent group of Muslim postgraduates, we'd talk about anything and everything. We loved each other. I had Ramadan suppers with them. Shisha! They'd bring friends round who were scared that an old Anglo guy was around and they'd laugh it off, especially the Palestinian guy who invited me to Jordan. And yes, I had worked for the security services. They were safe with me. They came up from London to take me out to dinner later. Anything else?

Well this very narrowed view and perspective of things, answers more thoroughly my two previous questions, above, here, which were;

How 'narrowed' is 'this one's' perspective, here?

I wonder how long it thinks or believes 'history' is, exactly?

They are even less meaningful here than previously. I.e. negative. Answer . your . self.

Coming from 'the one' who believes and claims; 'I come from the most bellicose country in history.' it is very obvious of just how 'narrowed' its view and perspective is, exactly, in regards to 'history', itself.

[popeye1945]

Not if you continue thinking you know something I don't, polemically, no. I come from the most bellicose country in history.

Battle is not the primary purpose of philosophical dialogue. I think you are aware of my stance. I may have you wrong, but you seem to be, above all else, pro-America. Am I reading you wrong? If you believe America is the land of virtue, we are wasting each other's time.

I'm a card carrying Labour Party member. A stoic. A realist. A Rogerian. I am fully aware of the appalling abuse of power of the British ruling class for a thousand years, that the blood never dried (and yes, I've read the devastating book) on the British Empire, starting with Ireland over 800 years ago. I am a beneficiary of immense evil. As are you. I am acutely aware of American history. Virtue is landed nowhere on Earth. The ruling class make sure that the working class get blood on their hands, are complicit. They steal the land and sell you a country. Why would I think, believe any of the things you attribute to me? I am very well, broadly and deeply read for a common man. Even so, I only read Eric Williams' definitive Capitalism and Slavery three years ago. I worked for a British company and they had no idea how radical I was; I understand Bin Laden. 9 11. 7 7. In 2009-10 I lived in a house with an excellent group of Muslim postgraduates; we'd talk about anything and everything. We loved each other. I had Ramadan suppers with them. Shisha! They'd bring friends round who were scared that an old Anglo guy was around and they'd laugh it off, especially the Palestinian guy who invited me to Jordan. And yes, I had worked for the security services. They were safe with me. They came up from London to take me out to dinner later. Anything else?

WOW! Quite a background. My apologies, I have been a bit of a jerk, or a whole lot of a jerk. I'll try to figure out where that was coming from. In the meantime, if you can forgive, perhaps we can continue, you're call.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Battle is not the primary purpose of philosophical dialogue. I think you are aware of my stance. I may have you wrong, but you seem to be, above all else, pro-America. Am I reading you wrong? If you believe America is the land of virtue, we are wasting each other's time.

I'm a card carrying Labour Party member. A stoic. A realist. A Rogerian. I am fully aware of the appalling abuse of power of the British ruling class for a thousand years, that the blood never dried (and yes, I've read the devastating book) on the British Empire, starting with Ireland over 800 years ago. I am a beneficiary of immense evil. As are you. I am acutely aware of American history. Virtue is landed nowhere on Earth. The ruling class make sure that the working class get blood on their hands, are complicit. They steal the land and sell you a country. Why would I think, believe any of the things you attribute to me? I am very well, broadly and deeply read for a common man. Even so, I only read Eric Williams' definitive Capitalism and Slavery three years ago. I worked for a Britistani company and they had no idea how radical I was; I understand Bin Laden. 9 11. 7 7. In 2009-10 I lived in a house with an excellent group of Muslim postgraduates; we'd talk about anything and everything. We loved each other. I had Ramadan suppers with them. Shisha! They'd bring friends round who were scared that an old Anglo guy was around and they'd laugh it off, especially the Palestinian guy who invited me to Jordan. And yes, I had worked for the security services. They were safe with me. They came up from London to take me out to dinner later. Anything else?

WOW! Quite a background. My apologies, I have been a bit of a jerk, or a whole lot of a jerk. I'll try to figure out where that was coming from. In the meantime, if you can forgive, perhaps we can continue, you're call.

No most gracious apology necessary necessary popeye1945, I must have given the wrong impression. Must review. We all come so loaded. With assumption and triggers. And continue? Yes please!

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Well this very narrowed view and perspective of things, answers more thoroughly my two previous questions, above, here, which were;

How 'narrowed' is 'this one's' perspective, here?

I wonder how long it thinks or believes 'history' is, exactly?

They are even less meaningful here than previously. I.e. negative. Answer . your . self.

Coming from 'the one' who believes and claims; 'I come from the most bellicose country in history.' it is very obvious of just how 'narrowed' its view and perspective is, exactly, in regards to 'history', itself.

Pure, grandiose, unadulterated, meaningless, drivel. Have you ever had that looked at? I know I should be kinder.

[Age]

They are even less meaningful here than previously. I.e. negative. Answer . your . self.

Coming from 'the one' who believes and claims; 'I come from the most bellicose country in history.' it is very obvious of just how 'narrowed' its view and perspective is, exactly, in regards to 'history', itself.

Pure, grandiose, unadulterated, meaningless, drivel. Have you ever had that looked at? I know I should be kinder.

Coming from 'the one' who actually believes, absolutely, that it comes from the most bellicose country in history. Talk about one with a 'grandiose' attitude, and obviously an extremely very narrowed view, and perspective.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Coming from 'the one' who believes and claims; 'I come from the most bellicose country in history.' it is very obvious of just how 'narrowed' its view and perspective is, exactly, in regards to 'history', itself.

Pure, grandiose, unadulterated, meaningless, drivel. Have you ever had that looked at? I know I should be kinder.

Coming from 'the one' who actually believes, absolutely, that it comes from the most bellicose country in history. Talk about one with a 'grandiose' attitude, and obviously an extremely very narrowed view, and perspective.

In the eye of the beholder. Art is so superbly subjective isn't it? You see what you project. Observer effect. You create you're own reality through your own lens.

PS You're not anglophone are you? With your extremely very narrow view, and perspective.

PPS Forgive me for only seeing your 'Pure, grandiose, unadulterated, meaningless, drivel.' as pure, grandiose, unadulterated, meaningless, drivel. When it is so much less. It brings out my cruelty.

[Age]

Pure, grandiose, unadulterated, meaningless, drivel. Have you ever had that looked at? I know I should be kinder.

Coming from 'the one' who actually believes, absolutely, that it comes from the most bellicose country in history. Talk about one with a 'grandiose' attitude, and obviously an extremely very narrowed view, and perspective.

In the eye of the beholder. Art is so superbly subjective isn't it? You see what you project. Observer effect. You create you're own reality through your own lens.

So, what 'we' have, here, is 'another one' who 'tries to' deflect, in order to deceive.

PS You're not anglophone are you? With your extremely very narrow view, and perspective.

What 'we' have, here, 'now' is 'another one' making claims and accusations 'about me'. So, let 'us' see if 'this one' could and will back up and support its claims and beliefs, here.

What do you believe that 'I' have an 'extremely very narrow view, and perspective' in relation to, exactly/

PPS Forgive me for only seeing your 'Pure, grandiose, unadulterated, meaningless, drivel.' as pure, grandiose, unadulterated, meaningless, drivel. When it is so much less. It brings out my cruelty.

Why are you seeking and wanting 'forgiveness', here, for, exactly?