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Age wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 11:29 am

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 11:00 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 10:52 am

I, also, could not be bothered reading all of what you have written here.

You did read it

How do you know?

The word "also" tipped me off.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 10:48 am you have used the words 'mind-reading' a few times now. So, what is 'mind-reading', exactly?

Being able to read other people's thoughts. I am using it ironically.

How does it work, exactly?

What is 'good' 'mind-reading', and, what is 'poor' 'mind-reading', exactly?

When I say poor mind-reading in relation to your post, I mean that you are claiming to know what is going in our minds and you not good at it.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 11:45 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 11:29 am

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 11:00 am

You did read it

How do you know?

The word "also" tipped me off.

Okay. But like you reading some is not reading it nor all.

Are you open to 'looking at' and 'seeing' things from another perspective?

Or, do you just want to remain with what you believe you know here, only?

See, I could have used the 'also' word to 'trigger you'. After all I put the 'also' word in between two commas so that it would 'stand out', and thus also 'trigger' some thing.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 11:15 am Which is, exactly, why I pointed out that you do this. But, you have obviously missed this, as well.

"I'm rubber, you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you." I'm glad you recognize the child in yourself. Hopefully accepting that part of you will help you avoid childishness, which is something else, in the future.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 12:43 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 10:48 am you have used the words 'mind-reading' a few times now. So, what is 'mind-reading', exactly?

Being able to read other people's thoughts. I am using it ironically.

So, when you say, 'mind reading' what you, actually, mean is some thing completely different.

Okay. Now, how often do you do this, exactly?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 12:43 pm

How does it work, exactly?

What is 'good' 'mind-reading', and, what is 'poor' 'mind-reading', exactly?

When I say poor mind-reading in relation to your post, I mean that you are claiming to know what is going in our minds and you not good at it.

But, once again, you, obviously, have not been 'listening', to me.

To me, there are no 'minds'. So, to me, it is an absolute impossibility to, literally, even 'know', or 'read' into, what does not even exist, obviously.

So, if you want to talk 'with me', then using words or terms that are Truly nonsensical, irrational, or illogical, to me, is only going to extend this, unnecessarily, with more unnecessary text.

Now, if you would like to respond to the claim that killing animals for food, when there is no need to, is what is Wrong, in Life, then please do.

Otherwise, what is 'it', exactly, that you want to express, and share, here, with the readers here?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 12:47 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 11:15 am Which is, exactly, why I pointed out that you do this. But, you have obviously missed this, as well.

"I'm rubber, you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you." I'm glad you recognize the child in yourself. Hopefully accepting that part of you will help you avoid childishness, which is something else, in the future.

Okay.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 12:52 pm you have used the words 'mind-reading' a few times now. So, what is 'mind-reading', exactly?

Being able to read other people's thoughts. I am using it ironically.[/quote]

So, when you say, 'mind reading' what you, actually, mean is some thing completely different.

I guess you don't understand irony.
Someone says they fixed my car and it's perfect now.
I get in the car and the engine falls out and the body of the car collapses.
I say 'Worth every penny I paid you.' That is irony. Even if I paid the guy by card and it was an even dollar sum.

No matter how you slice it, you wrote about 'what was going on' and it was false. Find your own wording for that if it helps you take the information in. There was no niggling.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 12:43 pm

How does it work, exactly?

What is 'good' 'mind-reading', and, what is 'poor' 'mind-reading', exactly?

When I say poor mind-reading in relation to your post, I mean that you are claiming to know what is going in our minds and you not good at it.

But, once again, you, obviously, have not been 'listening', to me.

To me, there are no 'minds'. So, to me, it is an absolute impossibility to, literally, even 'know', or 'read' into, what does not even exist, obviously.

Then stop being a self-contradictory moron and implicitly claiming that you can.

You're one of these people who thinks that if they say X is true, it means they can never behave in a way that indicates they believe X is false. Further whatever you think you were doing in that post was incorrect.

But you want to focus elsewhere, as usual.

So, if you want to talk 'with me', then using words or terms that are Truly nonsensical, irrational, or illogical, to me, is only going to extend this, unnecessarily, with more unnecessary text.

How kind of you for the tip. But I can manage to keep down the amount of text I write without writing as you wish I would.

For someone who claims this...

And, this is because I know, exactly, who, and what, you all are, and how, and why, you all think, and do, what you all think, and do.

...you need an amazing amount of clarification, oddly misunderstand irony, claim not to understand things we say, make false claims about what we are feeling and generally come as especially clueless about interactions with humans beings.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 12:46 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 11:45 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 11:29 am

How do you know?

The word "also" tipped me off.

Okay. But like you reading some is not reading it nor all.

That's almost English but not quite brother. You're getting closer.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:03 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 12:52 pm you have used the words 'mind-reading' a few times now. So, what is 'mind-reading', exactly?

Being able to read other people's thoughts. I am using it ironically.

So, when you say, 'mind reading' what you, actually, mean is some thing completely different.

I guess you don't understand irony.
Someone says they fixed my car and it's perfect now.
I get in the car and the engine falls out and the body of the car collapses.
I say 'Worth every penny I paid you.' That is irony. Even if I paid the guy by card and it was an even dollar sum.

No matter how you slice it, you wrote about 'what was going on' and it was false. Find your own wording for that if it helps you take the information in. There was no niggling.[/quote]

So, when you say that 'I' am a poor mind reader, then what you mean is something different, or even the exact opposite'.

And, not to use 'your words', okay thanks for pointing this out.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:03 pm

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 12:43 pm

How does it work, exactly?

What is 'good' 'mind-reading', and, what is 'poor' 'mind-reading', exactly?

When I say poor mind-reading in relation to your post, I mean that you are claiming to know what is going in our minds and you not good at it.

But, once again, you, obviously, have not been 'listening', to me.

To me, there are no 'minds'. So, to me, it is an absolute impossibility to, literally, even 'know', or 'read' into, what does not even exist, obviously.

Then stop being a self-contradictory moron and implicitly claiming that you can.

Once again, this one has 'managed' to completely and utterly miss and/or misunderstand here.

your assumptions are, continually, leading you further and further astray here "iwannaplato".

But, I now suggest that you keep assuming things before you ever seek out absolutely any clarity at all.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:03 pm You're one of these people who thinks that if they say X is true, it means they can never behave in a way that indicates they believe X is false.

Do I?

I am very happy for you that your assumptions are not leading you astray here, at all.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:03 pm Further whatever you think you were doing in that post was incorrect.

So, you believe that know more of what I was doing in 'that' post, then I think I do.

Which, by the way, is another great example of you believing, absolutely, things.

But, you do not do this, do you?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:03 pm But you want to focus elsewhere, as usual.

Okay, if you believe so.

And, if I were to ask you, Where do you believe that I want to focus here, as usual?, then you would just answer and clarify this question, as usual, directly and clearly, without absolutely any deflection nor deception at all, correct?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:03 pm

So, if you want to talk 'with me', then using words or terms that are Truly nonsensical, irrational, or illogical, to me, is only going to extend this, unnecessarily, with more unnecessary text.

How kind of you for the tip. But I can manage to keep down the amount of text I write without writing as you wish I would.

But, please I want you to keep writing more and more text here.

Please do not reduce the amount of text you write here.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:03 pm For someone who claims this...

And, this is because I know, exactly, who, and what, you all are, and how, and why, you all think, and do, what you all think, and do.

...you need an amazing amount of clarification, oddly misunderstand irony, claim not to understand things we say, make false claims about what we are feeling and generally come as especially clueless about interactions with humans beings.

Okay. But your sentence and claim here could be much better written.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:24 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 12:46 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 11:45 am

The word "also" tipped me off.

Okay. But like you reading some is not reading it nor all.

That's almost English but not quite brother. You're getting closer.

That you do not want to understand is not surprising at all.

And, that you cannot prove what you claimed here is also not surprising at all.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:44 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:24 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 12:46 pm

Okay. But like you reading some is not reading it nor all.

That's almost English but not quite brother. You're getting closer.

That you do not want to understand is not surprising at all.

And, that you cannot prove what you claimed here is also not surprising at all.

"Not reading it nor all" is a sequence of English words, but it's not a meaningful English sentence. You can't just put English words in any order you want brother.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:43 pm

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:03 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 12:52 pm you have used the words 'mind-reading' a few times now. So, what is 'mind-reading', exactly?

Being able to read other people's thoughts. I am using it ironically.

So, when you say, 'mind reading' what you, actually, mean is some thing completely different.

I guess you don't understand irony.
Someone says they fixed my car and it's perfect now.
I get in the car and the engine falls out and the body of the car collapses.
I say 'Worth every penny I paid you.' That is irony. Even if I paid the guy by card and it was an even dollar sum.

No matter how you slice it, you wrote about 'what was going on' and it was false. Find your own wording for that if it helps you take the information in. There was no niggling.

So, when you say that 'I' am a poor mind reader, then what you mean is something different, or even the exact opposite'.

Ah, yes. Poor example on my part.

I meant you were wrong about what you thought was going on in us AND your claim showed an overestimation of your skills. Perhaps even that you lack any skill in that area - describing what people are thinking and feeling - at all.

I am very happy for you that your assumptions are not leading you astray here, at all.

Congratulations. Irony. Good man. Now if you can learn to understand metaphors, irony, idiomatic speech, etc. when others use them, things will be looking up Then the next step: start to see and investigate how much more of language than people realize, including you, is in fact metaphorical. This would certainly help you learn to improve your communication, which was once your goal, at least.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:46 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:44 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:24 pm

That's almost English but not quite brother. You're getting closer.

That you do not want to understand is not surprising at all.

And, that you cannot prove what you claimed here is also not surprising at all.

"Not reading it nor all" is a sequence of English words, but it's not a meaningful English sentence.

If you ever sought out clarification about the 'it' word, instead of just assuming you already knew what is was referring to, exactly, then you will notice and see how, exactly, it makes a pure meaningful sentence in the "english" language.

you will also see how it proves your claim to be actually False, Wrong, and Incorrect. Which means that you could not prove your claim here Correct.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:46 pm You can't just put English words in any order you want brother.

I can when they make sense, even if only after clarification is sought then it makes sense.

See, I am not, necessarily, here to, literally, 'spell' things out for you, in words, so that things 'make sense', to you. I could actually be here, in this forum, to show and to reveal, to others, just how often you people, of the days when this was being written, would constantly or continually 'pre-assume' things, before you ever even just consider seeking out and obtain actual clarity, and thus actual Truth, first.

And, what you are doing for me here is proving irrefutably that you people would constantly and/or continually just keep 'pre-assuming' things, before you ever actually sought out and obtain actual Truth and clarity, first.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:50 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:43 pm

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:03 pm Being able to read other people's thoughts. I am using it ironically.

So, when you say, 'mind reading' what you, actually, mean is some thing completely different.

I guess you don't understand irony.
Someone says they fixed my car and it's perfect now.
I get in the car and the engine falls out and the body of the car collapses.
I say 'Worth every penny I paid you.' That is irony. Even if I paid the guy by card and it was an even dollar sum.

No matter how you slice it, you wrote about 'what was going on' and it was false. Find your own wording for that if it helps you take the information in. There was no niggling.

So, when you say that 'I' am a poor mind reader, then what you mean is something different, or even the exact opposite'.

Ah, yes. Poor example on my part.

I meant you were wrong about what you thought was going on in us

But, AGAIN, you just 'saying so' does not make 'it' true.

So, if you, really, do want to claim that I was wrong about what you thought was going on in 'us', then you will, obviously, have to:

First, provide 'my actual words'.

Secondly, express who the word 'us' refers to, exactly.

Thirdly, express why you think or believe 'my, actual, words' are wrong.

Fourthly, express what you think or believe is, actually, true, which is going on in 'us'.

Fifthly, wait to see what, actual, responses you get back.

LOL Just saying, 'You are wrong', will never ever work in a philosophy forum, of all places.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:50 pm AND your claim showed an overestimation of your skills.

AGAIN, this is only what you believe is true.

Just maybe, what I have claimed is not an overestimation of my skills, at all.

AND, the only way what the actual Truth is can, and will, come-to-light is through, and again, a Truly open and honest discussion.

LOL you just believing that my claim showed an overestimation of my skills, is you just believing your own unverified made up presumptions. Which, in and of itself, is you showing a complete and very obvious overestimation of 'your skills'.

See, unless you can 'know' things, which have not yet been proved True to you, then what you are doing is just APE thinking, only.

Which, as I have mentioned before, is just a very, very old way of 'looking at' and of 'seeing' things.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:50 pm Perhaps even that you lack any skill in that area - describing what people are thinking and feeling - at all.

Maybe I do lack all skill in the area of 'knowing' and/or of 'describing' what you human beings are thinking and feeling, completely.

But, and again, until 'I' am challenged and put to 'the test' fully, then 'you' will never ever 'know'.

Now, of course, you are absolutely free to assume or presume absolutely any thing you like here. And, the more you do, then the more you are proving me absolutely True, Right, Accurate, and Correct in regards to what you human beings think, feel, and/or even do.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:50 pm

I am very happy for you that your assumptions are not leading you astray here, at all.

Congratulations. Irony. Good man. Now if you can learn to understand metaphors, irony, idiomatic speech, etc. when others use them, things will be looking up

But why would I want to learn some thing, which is Truly unnecessary in Life, and even more so in a philosophy forum?

you seem to keep forgetting that 'we' are in a philosophy forum here. So, what would be the actual purpose in learning to understand what you posters, essentially, are not even meaning, exactly?

What you are suggesting is like going to a tennis court, to play tennis, and you say to me, 'Now if you can learn to understand how to fly a helicopter, when others use them, things will be 'looking up'.

Learning how to understand some thing, in a completely unnecessary place, is, besides completely and utterly unnecessary, some thing some would might say is just an absurd thing to do.

Also, it appears that you completely and utterly misunderstood, or just misread, what I actually said, wrote, and meant here.

But, again, this is not unexpected, at all, as it has become so much of a habit of yours that it is appearing more often that you are missing or misunderstanding just about every sentence I write in a post here, now.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:50 pm Then the next step: start to see and investigate how much more of language than people realize, including you, is in fact metaphorical.

Why?

I do not care what you say, which you do not mean. It is those words of you people, which you 'actually mean' that I am Truly interested in, and curious about.

No wonder it took human beings thousands upon thousands of years to end up discovering how to find, and see, the actual Truth of things, when they would go on and on about things like this one is here.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:50 pm This would certainly help you learn to improve your communication, which was once your goal, at least.

But, the improvement that I want might just be absolutely nothing at all to do with the improvement that you have imagined, or presumed.

And, considering the fact that you are a self-claimed "teacher" of "english", then it would not be a surprise, at all, if you made the Wrong assumption from the very outset here, which you ended up believing was true, as well.

Which would explain a great deal about 'why' you speak and write 'the way' that you do here, to me.