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Dubious wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:02 am All life in the universe begins and ends in Zero

It couldn't have been any other way. Without space there would be no objects, and without objects, there would be no space.

In modern physics, antimatter is defined as matter composed of the antiparticles (or "partners") of the corresponding particles in "ordinary" matter.

Is space just antimatter. As such, the Universe should contain no matter or antimatter, and just be a sea of photons. Instead, it contains enough matter to make about two trillion galaxies and, as far as we can tell, no antimatter.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:52 am I started this thread to discuss the very popular assumed idea that there is a 'creator' of the universe, by expressing my own personal view about that idea.

Well this is PN, so you really should have predicted that your thread would end up with a nazi telling a manic depressive how to get the spiciest possible wank.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:24 am To have this perspective, to declare it, seems true from material science perspective. But not from perspectives of ‘higher metaphysics’.

Yours seems the truer assertion — and yet it really isn’t.

The idea of a 'higher metaphysics' is imagined woo.

There's simply no evidence to support there is anything higher than ''human sentient awareness'', which is obviously self evident without doubt or error..

Metaphysics is referring to an idea, doctrine, or posited reality outside of human sense perception. What if that idea is simply not a true assertion. The assertion can only be imagined by someone who likes to keep the plates spinning.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:55 am

Metaphysics is referring to an idea, doctrine, or posited reality outside of human sense perception. What if that idea is simply not a true assertion. The assertion can only be imagined by someone who likes to keep the plates spinning.

Alexis' plates have goulash on them. I hope he's got a mop.

Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:25 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:55 am

Metaphysics is referring to an idea, doctrine, or posited reality outside of human sense perception. What if that idea is simply not a true assertion. The assertion can only be imagined by someone who likes to keep the plates spinning.

Alexis' plates have goulash on them. I hope he's got a mop.

And there's me thinking he was more into pizza

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:07 am

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 12:45 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:04 pmMost people are fairly unaware of nanotech, secular and religious both. But there is evidence that religions people are less supportive of money being spent on research in it.

Can you share a link or two on this topic? I know nothing. Nanotechnology I mean.

The Wikipedia entry is a good summary...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanotechnology

Thanks. I read it. It was totally off my radar.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:55 am The idea of a 'higher metaphysics' is imagined woo.

There's simply no evidence to support there is anything higher than ''human sentient awareness'', which is obviously self evident without doubt or error..

Metaphysics is referring to an idea, doctrine, or posited reality outside of human sense perception. What if that idea is simply not a true assertion. The assertion can only be imagined by someone who likes to keep the plates spinning.

If it is ‘imagined woo’ then our human world is mostly constructed out of such woo.

Ideas are metaphysical. And as such they would have to have existed — potentially — before anything arose in manifest form.

What you deride as woo is ‘stuff’ if you will that is tremendously consequential. How can ‘woo’ (unreality) have such power and consequence?

Your general presentation — what you always write about — could be characterized as hyper-woo, no? What if it were proposed back to you that in that there is ‘plate-spinning’ galore?

I think you might do well to examine the concepts involved in thinking about metaphysics. Your dismissal is too easy, too trite, to my way of seeing.

posited reality outside of human sense perception

Hmmmm. Take an idea. Can you explain what sense (of the five) is capable of seeing, hearing, touching, smelling or tasting that idea? What device could detect it?

There is no device, is there? So: what is an idea and how is it grasped?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:07 am

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 12:45 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:04 pmMost people are fairly unaware of nanotech, secular and religious both. But there is evidence that religions people are less supportive of money being spent on research in it.

Can you share a link or two on this topic? I know nothing. Nanotechnology I mean.

The Wikipedia entry is a good summary...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanotechnology

Basically, the dangers of nanotech is that our bodies have not evolved to defend us from them. They pass through barriers that work quite well with bacteria viruses parasites and the kinds of toxins that arise in nature. It's a bit like the native americans encountering european diseases, in the sense that our bodies do not have defenses. Unlike diseases they tend not to cause immediate cascading effects like in an epidemic. They can be carcinogenic. They can get into the brain. We're sort of playing Russian Roulette with a new technology that has little oversight.

@AJ, you and I are not undisputed, autonomous authors of our own lives. Ultimately what we do is an uncertainty and once we do something, it may be something you and I cannot undo, depending on various factors. We must proceed with caution in what we do. Good intentions alone are not good intentions. "Intentions" are not present in us until an action can be fully "adjudicated" to use your word that you just used on me.

You have wisdom in you, if you have wisdom in you. That's all I can say of you and that's all you can say of me.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:56 am
There is no device, is there? So: what is an idea and how is it grasped?

What is an idea, I've no idea... comprendo!


What if there was nothing higher than human sentient awareness? what device would you recommend we use to get beyond this in a metaphysical sense? It's a catch 22

Have you ever tried crossing the horizon, or jumping over your own shadow, or pulling yourself up by you're bootstraps.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:33 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:52 am I started this thread to discuss the very popular assumed idea that there is a 'creator' of the universe, by expressing my own personal view about that idea.

Well this is PN, so you really should have predicted that your thread would end up with a nazi telling a manic depressive how to get the spiciest possible wank.

If that's all AJ has done for me, then perhaps I will simply continue to wank alone or else perhaps just live in celibacy. I want no help from someone if they are evil. I only want help from someone who is good. If AJ is a "Nazi" then he is evil. If AJ is 100% certain he's not a "Nazi" then he's a fool. If he doesn't care whether he is a "Nazi" or not, then he is evil. But who am I to judge anyone. I may be just a "wanker" to him. We'll see what happens.

@AJ: Where are you at, my friend?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:55 am The idea of a 'higher metaphysics' is imagined woo.

I) think woo is unavoidable. Solipsism is parsimonious. I have no way to prove that you experience anything when you read this. I could have the only mind, this could all just be my dream. I can't prove that other people exist as experiencers. Did you know for a long time in science it was taboo to say that animals had emotions, intentions, plans, desires?

Also metaphysics is talking about what is. Scientists have metaphysical positions. We all do. The universe has laws. Metaphysics. We perceive objects, metaphysics. Non-dualism is metaphysics.

I want no help from someone if they are evil. I only want help from someone who is good.

Well that's silly. If you need help and you can get it, then use any source that you can.

Of course, you need to be able to judge what is potentially helpful to you.

If AJ is a "Nazi" then he is evil.

Nazis are not evil. Some Nazis were (and are) evil. Most Nazis were (and are) ordinary people.

phyllo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 11:41 am

I want no help from someone if they are evil. I only want help from someone who is good.

Well that's silly. If you need help and you can get it, then use any source that you can.

Of course, you need to be able to judge what is potentially helpful to you.

If AJ is a "Nazi" then he is evil.

Nazis are not evil. Some Nazis were (and are) evil. Most Nazis were (and are) ordinary people.

If some Nazis are evil, then some Nazis are evil. All I want to know is if AJ is evil or not. If he is evil then I want no more part of him and he has done nothing for me. If he is good, then I don't mind knowing him and associating with him on PN.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 11:39 am

Also metaphysics is talking about what is. Scientists have metaphysical positions. We all do. The universe has laws. Metaphysics. We perceive objects, metaphysics. Non-dualism is metaphysics.

What is is silent about ''what is''. [ISNESS] Any discussion about ''what is'' is woo because 'Metaphysics' is the branch of philosophy that studies the fundamental nature of reality, including the first principles of: being or existence, identity.

The idea of 'first principles' are empty, in other words, woo.

You are more than entiltled to say whatever you want, and so am I

We're only try to woo some knowledge into existence that we know absolutely zero about, it's all a fantasy.