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Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:37 am

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:06 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:40 pm

Okay. If that is what you know "atla", then that is what you know, correct?

Don't lie,

I say, and ask:
Okay. If that is what you know "atla", then that is what you know, correct?

Your respond;
Don't lie.

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:06 pm this isn't about me, it's the consensus knowledge.

What is NOT about you, and, what is the so-called 'consensus knowledge'?

And, who and how many are in that 'consensus'?

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:06 pmShow us people who have foretold the future beyond reasonable doubt.

What are you going on about now?

Have you EVER STOPPED to QUESTION whether it might just be better to CLARIFY what another is ACTUALLY SAYING and MEANING, BEFORE you go off on your OWN tangent or perception?

You went on a tangent to divert attention away from the fact that you don't know the future, you're just making it up.

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:20 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:37 am

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:06 pm
Don't lie,

I say, and ask:
Okay. If that is what you know "atla", then that is what you know, correct?

Your respond;
Don't lie.

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:06 pm this isn't about me, it's the consensus knowledge.

What is NOT about you, and, what is the so-called 'consensus knowledge'?

And, who and how many are in that 'consensus'?

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:06 pmShow us people who have foretold the future beyond reasonable doubt.

What are you going on about now?

Have you EVER STOPPED to QUESTION whether it might just be better to CLARIFY what another is ACTUALLY SAYING and MEANING, BEFORE you go off on your OWN tangent or perception?

You went on a tangent to divert attention away from the fact that you don't know the future, you're just making it up.

Until you CLARIFY what "knowing the future" even MEANS, or REFERS TO, EXACTLY, then the discussion about 'it' is UTTERLY USELESS.

Would you like to continue a discussion about "knowing the future" HERE-NOW, or would you like to take this into another more appropriate thread?

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:28 am

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:20 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:37 am

I say, and ask:
Okay. If that is what you know "atla", then that is what you know, correct?

Your respond;
Don't lie.


What is NOT about you, and, what is the so-called 'consensus knowledge'?

And, who and how many are in that 'consensus'?



What are you going on about now?

Have you EVER STOPPED to QUESTION whether it might just be better to CLARIFY what another is ACTUALLY SAYING and MEANING, BEFORE you go off on your OWN tangent or perception?

You went on a tangent to divert attention away from the fact that you don't know the future, you're just making it up.

Until you CLARIFY what "knowing the future" even MEANS, or REFERS TO, EXACTLY, then the discussion about 'it' is UTTERLY USELESS.

AGE: Please clarify what 'knowing the future' means or refers to (precisely), so that you can then explain to Atla that your discussion is not going to be rendered UTTERLY USELESS.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:00 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 9:45 am

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:50 am RECEIVED by SOME, ALREADY.

Who?

Those who HAVE SEEN and HAVE HEARD.

Do they exist?

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:48 pmWhat is with all of this CLAIMING things BEFORE you even have the ACTUAL PROOF.

It's called science. You look at what happens and try to work out how it happens, sometimes to gain control, sometimes just out of curiosity. The thing that you don't understand is that you can never have "the ACTUAL PROOF". You cannot prove that you are not batshit insane. You cannot prove that you are not currently bleeding to death in Oshkosh, Wisconsin. Even God could not prove anything, for the simple reason that anyone with a grain of creativity can always imagine alternative explanations for whatever they experience. That you can't is because you are barely even a halfwit.
Now, has anyone actually watched the topic of this thread? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXW6TD2TpLU

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:28 am

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:20 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:37 am

I say, and ask:
Okay. If that is what you know "atla", then that is what you know, correct?

Your respond;
Don't lie.


What is NOT about you, and, what is the so-called 'consensus knowledge'?

And, who and how many are in that 'consensus'?



What are you going on about now?

Have you EVER STOPPED to QUESTION whether it might just be better to CLARIFY what another is ACTUALLY SAYING and MEANING, BEFORE you go off on your OWN tangent or perception?

You went on a tangent to divert attention away from the fact that you don't know the future, you're just making it up.

Until you CLARIFY what "knowing the future" even MEANS, or REFERS TO, EXACTLY, then the discussion about 'it' is UTTERLY USELESS.

Would you like to continue a discussion about "knowing the future" HERE-NOW, or would you like to take this into another more appropriate thread?

After enough people receive your message, humanity will enter a new era yes? Please tell us how you know that this will indeed happen.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:03 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:28 am

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:20 am
You went on a tangent to divert attention away from the fact that you don't know the future, you're just making it up.

Until you CLARIFY what "knowing the future" even MEANS, or REFERS TO, EXACTLY, then the discussion about 'it' is UTTERLY USELESS.

AGE: Please clarify what 'knowing the future' means or refers to (precisely), so that you can then explain to Atla that your discussion is not going to be rendered UTTERLY USELESS.

I wrote:
Are you under some sort of ILLUSION, or have some sort of PRESUMPTION, that things become KNOWN by EVERY one ALL at the EXACT SAME time or moment?

If you are, then all one has to do is to LOOK AT how long it took 'you', human beings, to become AWARE OF, or LEARN and KNOW that the sun REALLY does NOT revolve around the earth.

In case you are STILL UNAWARE the KNOWING starts with just one, and then progresses on from there.

Then, depending on how CLOSED or OPEN the rest are influences how LONG they take to become AWARE and KNOW, ALSO.

The messages that 'I am sending', as you so laughably put it, have been SENT, and, contrary to your BELIEF, have been RECEIVED by SOME, ALREADY.

"atla" responded with:
Lie - you don't know the future.

So, it was "atla" who introduced "knowing the future" into this thread and discussion.

I had NO interest in 'it', and STILL have absolutely NO interest in discussing 'it', NOR in what "knowing the future" even MEANS nor REFERS TO here.

I WAS discussing with "uwot" about the CLAIMS "uwot" made in this thread, and in that video referenced here in this thread, which is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXW6TD2TpLU if anyone wants to LOOK AT and DISCUSS, ALSO.

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:46 am .

In the days when these were being written, we were still waiting for Age to answer two questions:

- Who are these people who already received your message? Do you know them? Did they tell you that your message changed them?

- How do you know that humanity will eventually reach that better future that you keep speaking of?

uwot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:22 am

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:48 pmWhat is with all of this CLAIMING things BEFORE you even have the ACTUAL PROOF.

It's called science.

Call 'it' whatever you like, but 'it' seems like a VERY LOOONG DRAWN OUT and COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY PROCESS to just arrive as what IS IRREFUTABLY True. Which, as I have continually SAYING, can just be SEEN, and UNDERSTOOD, almost immediately anyway.

uwot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:22 am You look at what happens and try to work out how it happens, sometimes to gain control, sometimes just out of curiosity.

Will you provide any examples here?

uwot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:22 am The thing that you don't understand is that you can never have "the ACTUAL PROOF".

The thing you have NOT YET UNDERSTOOD is that we have DISCUSSED this, and have been IN AGREEMENT.

Which you OBVIOUSLY can NOT disprove.

uwot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:22 am You cannot prove that you are not batshit insane.

Okay, if you SAY and BELIEVE SO. If you can NOT prove that you are NOT so-called "batshit insane", then so be it.

uwot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:22 am You cannot prove that you are not currently bleeding to death in Oshkosh, Wisconsin.

SEE, there are SO MANY VARIABLES in CLAIMS like this, that it could take quite some time to LOOK AT and DISCUSS the WHOLE scenario here.

uwot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:22 am Even God could not prove anything, for the simple reason that anyone with a grain of creativity can always imagine alternative explanations for whatever they experience.

Of which NONE they could prove, right?

So, what you are LITERALLY SAYING is; if someone can come up with, or IMAGINE, ANY so-called "explanation", then that is ALL that is NEEDED here.

Which EXPLAINS WHY you FOLLOW and BELIEVE some of these absolutely ABSURD and RIDICULOUS "explanations" for your CLAIMS here.

uwot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:22 am That you can't is because you are barely even a halfwit.

You do NOT seem to REALIZE that what you say here is just your OWN view, which you OBVIOUSLY have NO proof for AT ALL.

uwot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:22 am Now, has anyone actually watched the topic of this thread? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXW6TD2TpLU

YES, and I have EXPRESSED what is False, Wrong, AND Incorrect, which you OBVIOUSLY could NOT disprove.

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:15 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:28 am

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:20 am
You went on a tangent to divert attention away from the fact that you don't know the future, you're just making it up.

Until you CLARIFY what "knowing the future" even MEANS, or REFERS TO, EXACTLY, then the discussion about 'it' is UTTERLY USELESS.

Would you like to continue a discussion about "knowing the future" HERE-NOW, or would you like to take this into another more appropriate thread?

After enough people receive your message, humanity will enter a new era yes?

You are LOOKING at 'this' SO NARROWLY and SHORT SIGHTEDLY that answering "yes" will ALLOW to ASSUME some 'thing', which would be so OBVIOUSLY False, Wrong, AND Incorrect. So, what I WILL DO now is answer YES, what you wrote here is EXACTLY Right.

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:15 am Please tell us how you know that this will indeed happen.

What does the word 'this' here refer to, EXACTLY, (or PRECISELY as some might prefer)?

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:53 pm

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:46 am .

In the days when these were being written, we were still waiting for Age to answer two questions:

WHEN, and IF, people READ BACK through these writings they WILL SEE just HOW MANY QUESTIONS I have answered, were posed to me, COMPARED to HOW MANY QUESTIONS were NOT answered, which I posed to 'you' here.

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:53 pm - Who are these people who already received your message?

'you', human beings.

BUT, while you ONLY LOOK AT things from a Truly NARROWED and SHORT field of view, you WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND the ANSWERS that I provide you with.

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:53 pm Do you know them?

YES, do you NOT?

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:53 pm Did they tell you that your message changed them?

YES.

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:53 pm - How do you know that humanity will eventually reach that better future that you keep speaking of?

BECAUSE it is ALREADY in the process of coming to fruition.

WHY do you BELIEVE otherwise?

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:51 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:53 pm

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:46 am .

In the days when these were being written, we were still waiting for Age to answer two questions:

WHEN, and IF, people READ BACK through these writings they WILL SEE just HOW MANY QUESTIONS I have answered, were posed to me, COMPARED to HOW MANY QUESTIONS were NOT answered, which I posed to 'you' here.

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:53 pm - Who are these people who already received your message?

'you', human beings.

BUT, while you ONLY LOOK AT things from a Truly NARROWED and SHORT field of view, you WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND the ANSWERS that I provide you with.

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:53 pm Do you know them?

YES, do you NOT?

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:53 pm Did they tell you that your message changed them?

YES.

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:53 pm - How do you know that humanity will eventually reach that better future that you keep speaking of?

BECAUSE it is ALREADY in the process of coming to fruition.

WHY do you BELIEVE otherwise?

People haven't gotten your message, and haven't changed towards said future. You don't know them, nor did they tell you that they changed. Said future probably won't even happen, nor can you know that it will happen.

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:28 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:51 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:53 pm
In the days when these were being written, we were still waiting for Age to answer two questions:

WHEN, and IF, people READ BACK through these writings they WILL SEE just HOW MANY QUESTIONS I have answered, were posed to me, COMPARED to HOW MANY QUESTIONS were NOT answered, which I posed to 'you' here.

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:53 pm - Who are these people who already received your message?

'you', human beings.

BUT, while you ONLY LOOK AT things from a Truly NARROWED and SHORT field of view, you WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND the ANSWERS that I provide you with.

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:53 pm Do you know them?

YES, do you NOT?

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:53 pm Did they tell you that your message changed them?

YES.

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:53 pm - How do you know that humanity will eventually reach that better future that you keep speaking of?

BECAUSE it is ALREADY in the process of coming to fruition.

WHY do you BELIEVE otherwise?

People haven't gotten your message, and haven't changed towards said future. You don't know them, nor did they tell you that they changed. Said future probably won't even happen, nor can you know that it will happen.

LOL

FURTHER 'PROOF' of just HOW NARROWED or CLOSED some people can REALLY BE.

Furthermore, 'probably' MEANS that 'it' MIGHT and COULD HAPPEN.

And, if some thing COULD HAPPEN, then that thing MUST BE POSSIBLE, and just as about absolutely EVERY thing that human beings have done and accomplished was ONCE seen as IMPOSSIBLE absolutely EVERY one of these things was IN Fact ACTUALLY POSSIBLE.

What I PROPOSE, and KNOW WILL BE DONE, on earth as it is IN HEAVEN, IS ALSO VERY POSSIBLE, and IN Fact will be ACHIEVED and DONE with the greatest of EASE. As I am SHOWING and DOING right NOW.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:51 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:28 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:51 pm

WHEN, and IF, people READ BACK through these writings they WILL SEE just HOW MANY QUESTIONS I have answered, were posed to me, COMPARED to HOW MANY QUESTIONS were NOT answered, which I posed to 'you' here.


'you', human beings.

BUT, while you ONLY LOOK AT things from a Truly NARROWED and SHORT field of view, you WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND the ANSWERS that I provide you with.



YES, do you NOT?


YES.


BECAUSE it is ALREADY in the process of coming to fruition.

WHY do you BELIEVE otherwise?

People haven't gotten your message, and haven't changed towards said future. You don't know them, nor did they tell you that they changed. Said future probably won't even happen, nor can you know that it will happen.

LOL

FURTHER 'PROOF' of just HOW NARROWED or CLOSED some people can REALLY BE.

Furthermore, 'probably' MEANS that 'it' MIGHT and COULD HAPPEN.

And, if some thing COULD HAPPEN, then that thing MUST BE POSSIBLE, and just as about absolutely EVERY thing that human beings have done and accomplished was ONCE seen as IMPOSSIBLE absolutely EVERY one of these things was IN Fact ACTUALLY POSSIBLE.

What I PROPOSE, and KNOW WILL BE DONE, on earth as it is IN HEAVEN, IS ALSO VERY POSSIBLE, and IN Fact will be ACHIEVED and DONE with the greatest of EASE. As I am SHOWING and DOING right NOW.

Anything is possible. But you are lying, you don't know that it will be done.

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:58 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:51 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:28 pm
People haven't gotten your message, and haven't changed towards said future. You don't know them, nor did they tell you that they changed. Said future probably won't even happen, nor can you know that it will happen.

LOL

FURTHER 'PROOF' of just HOW NARROWED or CLOSED some people can REALLY BE.

Furthermore, 'probably' MEANS that 'it' MIGHT and COULD HAPPEN.

And, if some thing COULD HAPPEN, then that thing MUST BE POSSIBLE, and just as about absolutely EVERY thing that human beings have done and accomplished was ONCE seen as IMPOSSIBLE absolutely EVERY one of these things was IN Fact ACTUALLY POSSIBLE.

What I PROPOSE, and KNOW WILL BE DONE, on earth as it is IN HEAVEN, IS ALSO VERY POSSIBLE, and IN Fact will be ACHIEVED and DONE with the greatest of EASE. As I am SHOWING and DOING right NOW.

Anything is possible. But you are lying, you don't know that it will be done.

If only you KNEW "atla". If only you KNEW.