Re: Solving Climate Change.
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:24 pm
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We can't shut down industries. We should keep the industries running and solve the problems they create.Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 12:31 amBut WHY is it rising?jayjacobus wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:39 pm Consider the enormous energy released by storms. The energy is in wind and rain. Wind in a storm is too fierce to harness but rain pouring down can be harnessed to create electricity. So far technology focuses on capturing the energy from the sun but ignores the energy from rain.
The heat will continue to rise.
If it is rising because of human being's behavior, then all that is needed, to stop the rise, is just stop doing 'that' what is causing the rise.
So, to stop 'that', what is causing the rise, one just has to discover, or learn, and understand WHY they are doing 'that'.
And, what will be found is what is causing adult human beings' to do that behavior, which is causing the rise, just comes from being greedy individuals.
Which, by the way, 'being greedy' is NOT a natural behavior of being human. 'Being greedy' is just a learned behavior, of which children learn off, and copy from, greedy adult human beings.I found 'prevention' is always better than the 'cure'.jayjacobus wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:39 pm There is no sense in moaning about it. But there are ways to cool the Earth with manmade inventions.
Making more human made inventions to overcome the wrongs of the previous human made inventions is just a never ending cycle. That is; until humans wipe themselves out from this nonsensical and absurd way of thinking and behaving.
If climate change is because of human behavior, then just stop doing behavior which is causing climate change. How much more simpler can this get?jayjacobus wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:39 pm Dry ice, circulated water, cooling towers, covered public squares and parks, misting,fans and other methods can turn hot places into cooling oases.
Can whole cities be cooled? I believe that they can be.
You have missed my point, completely.jayjacobus wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:39 pmWe can't shut down industries. We should keep the industries running and solve the problems they create.Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 12:31 amBut WHY is it rising?jayjacobus wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:39 pm Consider the enormous energy released by storms. The energy is in wind and rain. Wind in a storm is too fierce to harness but rain pouring down can be harnessed to create electricity. So far technology focuses on capturing the energy from the sun but ignores the energy from rain.
The heat will continue to rise.
If it is rising because of human being's behavior, then all that is needed, to stop the rise, is just stop doing 'that' what is causing the rise.
So, to stop 'that', what is causing the rise, one just has to discover, or learn, and understand WHY they are doing 'that'.
And, what will be found is what is causing adult human beings' to do that behavior, which is causing the rise, just comes from being greedy individuals.
Which, by the way, 'being greedy' is NOT a natural behavior of being human. 'Being greedy' is just a learned behavior, of which children learn off, and copy from, greedy adult human beings.I found 'prevention' is always better than the 'cure'.jayjacobus wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:39 pm There is no sense in moaning about it. But there are ways to cool the Earth with manmade inventions.
Making more human made inventions to overcome the wrongs of the previous human made inventions is just a never ending cycle. That is; until humans wipe themselves out from this nonsensical and absurd way of thinking and behaving.
If climate change is because of human behavior, then just stop doing behavior which is causing climate change. How much more simpler can this get?jayjacobus wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:39 pm Dry ice, circulated water, cooling towers, covered public squares and parks, misting,fans and other methods can turn hot places into cooling oases.
Can whole cities be cooled? I believe that they can be.
I say pollution is a far more and bigger, so called, "problem". Human beings can very easily adapt to rising or cooling temperatures. They can, after all, and do adapt, very easily, to temperature differences of over 100 degree celsius, (which maybe no other animal can?). So adapting to temperature rises is not an issue at all, really.jayjacobus wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:39 pm A major problem is smog which is a combination of smoke and ozone. Smog creates a blanket which stores heat that radiates up from the Earth and down from the sun.
Okay.jayjacobus wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:39 pm Filtering the smog may help but there is a better way.
Ozone (O3) when combined with Hydrogen produces Water (H2O) and Oxygen (O2).
There is very little free Hydrogen in cities but Hydrogen can be purified in labs, transported to smog bound cities and released.
The bi-products of water and oxygen will help cool the city.
Mostpeople, like me, are consumers, not a/c sales people. Besides, dry ice is a cheaper way to cool a home than airconditioning. That simple technology could reduce cooling costs by enormous amounts.Age wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:17 amYou have missed my point, completely.jayjacobus wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:39 pmWe can't shut down industries. We should keep the industries running and solve the problems they create.Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 12:31 am
But WHY is it rising?
If it is rising because of human being's behavior, then all that is needed, to stop the rise, is just stop doing 'that' what is causing the rise.
So, to stop 'that', what is causing the rise, one just has to discover, or learn, and understand WHY they are doing 'that'.
And, what will be found is what is causing adult human beings' to do that behavior, which is causing the rise, just comes from being greedy individuals.
Which, by the way, 'being greedy' is NOT a natural behavior of being human. 'Being greedy' is just a learned behavior, of which children learn off, and copy from, greedy adult human beings.
I found 'prevention' is always better than the 'cure'.
Making more human made inventions to overcome the wrongs of the previous human made inventions is just a never ending cycle. That is; until humans wipe themselves out from this nonsensical and absurd way of thinking and behaving.
If climate change is because of human behavior, then just stop doing behavior which is causing climate change. How much more simpler can this get?
In fact, you are saying the exact opposite of what I was meaning.I say pollution is a far more and bigger, so called, "problem". Human beings can very easily adapt to rising or cooling temperatures. They can, after all, and do adapt, very easily, to temperature differences of over 100 degree celsius, (which maybe no other animal can?). So adapting to temperature rises is not an issue at all, really.jayjacobus wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:39 pm A major problem is smog which is a combination of smoke and ozone. Smog creates a blanket which stores heat that radiates up from the Earth and down from the sun.
But, human beings can NOT adapt to their continual polluting of the air and the water, which they actually NEED, in order to keep living, and surviving.Okay.jayjacobus wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:39 pm Filtering the smog may help but there is a better way.
Ozone (O3) when combined with Hydrogen produces Water (H2O) and Oxygen (O2).
There is very little free Hydrogen in cities but Hydrogen can be purified in labs, transported to smog bound cities and released.
The bi-products of water and oxygen will help cool the city.
But, in the meantime, while 'you' remain greedy and selfish beings, 'you' will just keep doing what 'you' are doing in order to obtain more and more money, and just keep buying more and more air conditioners so that 'you' keep cool, but which keep increasing 'your' cities temperatures.
Trying to solve what isn't a problem is like washing the car after a heavy rainstorm.
You are banished; but it's not because of your opinions - per se. You are perfectly entitled to believe what you like, and were those remarks on topic they would be welcome here. They're not on topic, or welcome, but I want you to know your right to your view remains sacrosanct. You could, according to strictly scientific epistemic protocols, be a rogue genius professing a truth beyond the comprehension of the mere consensus of world scientists, but the overwhelming probability is your motives are either malicious or stupid, and so, I regret to inform you are no longer permitted to post in this thread.
Refrigiration is based on compressing a gas into a liquid where the heated liquid cools in the ouside coils and there the gas expands. When it is compressed. it becomes cold but no where near as cold as compressed CO2. Therefore compressed CO2 (dry ice) is more efficient.jayjacobus wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 5:35 pmMostpeople, like me, are consumers, not a/c sales people. Besides, dry ice is a cheaper way to cool a home than airconditioning. That simple technology could reduce cooling costs by enormous amounts.Age wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:17 amYou have missed my point, completely.jayjacobus wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:39 pm
We can't shut down industries. We should keep the industries running and solve the problems they create.
In fact, you are saying the exact opposite of what I was meaning.I say pollution is a far more and bigger, so called, "problem". Human beings can very easily adapt to rising or cooling temperatures. They can, after all, and do adapt, very easily, to temperature differences of over 100 degree celsius, (which maybe no other animal can?). So adapting to temperature rises is not an issue at all, really.jayjacobus wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:39 pm A major problem is smog which is a combination of smoke and ozone. Smog creates a blanket which stores heat that radiates up from the Earth and down from the sun.
But, human beings can NOT adapt to their continual polluting of the air and the water, which they actually NEED, in order to keep living, and surviving.Okay.jayjacobus wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:39 pm Filtering the smog may help but there is a better way.
Ozone (O3) when combined with Hydrogen produces Water (H2O) and Oxygen (O2).
There is very little free Hydrogen in cities but Hydrogen can be purified in labs, transported to smog bound cities and released.
The bi-products of water and oxygen will help cool the city.
But, in the meantime, while 'you' remain greedy and selfish beings, 'you' will just keep doing what 'you' are doing in order to obtain more and more money, and just keep buying more and more air conditioners so that 'you' keep cool, but which keep increasing 'your' cities temperatures.
I think it's the rogue genius one.Vitruvius wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:24 pmYou are banished; but it's not because of your opinions - per se. You are perfectly entitled to believe what you like, and were those remarks on topic they would be welcome here. They're not on topic, or welcome, but I want you to know your right to your view remains sacrosanct. You could, according to strictly scientific epistemic protocols, be a rogue genius professing a truth beyond the comprehension of the mere consensus of world scientists, but the overwhelming probability is your motives are either malicious or stupid, and so, I regret to inform you are no longer permitted to post in this thread.
Such an unscientific declaration is characteristic of political movements.Vitruvius wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:24 pmYou are banished; but it's not because of your opinions - per se. You are perfectly entitled to believe what you like, and were those remarks on topic they would be welcome here. They're not on topic, or welcome, but I want you to know your right to your view remains sacrosanct. You could, according to strictly scientific epistemic protocols, be a rogue genius professing a truth beyond the comprehension of the mere consensus of world scientists, but the overwhelming probability is your motives are either malicious or stupid, and so, I regret to inform you are no longer permitted to post in this thread.
Vitruvius wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:24 pmYou are banished; but it's not because of your opinions - per se. You are perfectly entitled to believe what you like, and were those remarks on topic they would be welcome here. They're not on topic, or welcome, but I want you to know your right to your view remains sacrosanct. You could, according to strictly scientific epistemic protocols, be a rogue genius professing a truth beyond the comprehension of the mere consensus of world scientists, but the overwhelming probability is your motives are either malicious or stupid, and so, I regret to inform you are no longer permitted to post in this thread.
No, I have no such power. It was worth a shot! I understand your instinct to label me left wing - as I am concerned with climate change, and then tried to de-platform you, but this thread is about solving climate change in such a way as to sustain continued prosperity. This is such a particular argument - I feel entitled to insist we stay on topic. If you want to argue whether climate change is real - you can argue that with someone who's entire argument is that climate change is real. The left have been contributing the 'Oh, yes it is' to that argument since the 1960's; they have not sought to solve the problem. I have.
Although it would seem ideal to solve all the world's problems, it's not. Things are the way they are because of the infinite number of events leading up to them. Trying to figure out climate change is like trying to figure out what's on the other side of the Universe. There are infinite inputs that affect the climate.Vitruvius wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:45 pm
I am trying to solve climate change in the least disruptive, least expensive, most effective way possible - given a scientific understanding of reality and an overview of existing technologies. On that basis, it turns out it's obvious what we need to do. The earth is a big ball of molten rock containing a virtually limitless amount of high grade clean energy. Of course, it's much more complicated when viewed through an ideological lens, but scientifically and technologically, it seems entirely possible to secure a prosperous sustainable future - and in my opinion, it's also our best bet.