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FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:18 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:03 pm I guess I'm too easily confused.

You may have only managed it as an accident in the middle of one of your passive agressive little whine festivals, but you sort of got there I suppose. You aren't very analytical by nature, but you really really wish a hodge-podge of disorderly thoughts can count as the same thing.

Don't bother taking your frustrations out on me, learn to assess your own ideas critically before getting emotionally attached to them, or just don't present your unconsidered opinions as philosophy. The fix for your problems is within your grasp if you can just stop blaming them on me.

Sorry. I'll try to do better next time. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Dachshund wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:26 pm In fact, as you have insulted me my condemning me as a NAZI, U think it behoves you to defend you position don't you?

Not really, I honestly can't be bothered with you, I already put the reason why clearly enough, here it is again.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:53 pm I don't understand why you think there is some issue in dispute here. I am not bothering with him specifically because it is a dialogue of the deaf. I'm not wasting my time to persuade a doddery old racist that racism is nasty any more than he wants to persuade me of anything. He's just peacocking. The point for him is to go back to wherever he hangs out with his nazi crowd and tell them how wickedly he owned some libtards on a philosophy forum who couldn't cope with his awesomeness. He can take advantage of you that way if he likes, you can be the fool.

Dachshund wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:26 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:11 am I don't have direct access to your inner working Gary. Of course you can be a racist without using naughty words or burning any crosses at all, all you have to do is believe that you know what a person is like before finding out using skin colour as a determinant.

I'm not sure how some hand-wringing excercise about society and prejudice on a universal scale beyond the cognition of mere mortals was ever supposed to be a critique of me calling a cranky old race-warrior a racist. There's plenty to unpack in the legacy of the many bigotries we have inherited through ancestry that we aren't, and probably can't, perfectly dismount from. But that's a complaint about history and as such not terribly relevant to an essay on Daschund, who is just a boring old nazi passing himself off rather clumsily as a jovial uncle Fuhrer.

Your comments on racism being unfounded are misguided. You are talking about it being understandable under the circumstances, which is very different to being supported by facts about dna and heritable traits.

I would suggest you sit down with yourself and think through what you really want to do with that inundation thing. I can't tell what you are after here. Daschund has a fix for your anxieties - he predictably doesn't believe races should mix at all and would like there to be whites only nations. But he doesn't think black and brown people deserve to live in democracies at all. You seem to be concerned that people want to reflect historical injustices back at us. Perhaps all these people of colour would prefer to just live their lives like everyone else, and aren't all that obsessed with getting back at you for old stuff. There comes a point at which you need to consider these are people, not hordes.

As for the Africa stuff. We seem to have discussed Frantz Fanon a few times already. Perhaps it is finally time for you take the plunge and actually read the wretched of the earth. The gloomy description of the left over violence at the end of the decolonization process, along with who it puts in power and how they will cope with governing has proven rather accurate. That doesn't mean it's the end of the story, it just describes the next set of problems that require addressing.

If you want to criticize anything I have said to date about race such as: (1) the fact that race is a biological construct, not a social construct;(2) that substantial to dramatic differences in average IQ are found across the main racial groups (and IQ predictes outcomes in all of the major human life activities) , (3) that that multiculturalism is a failed project in the West, (4) that policies of mass migration of non hite/European into Western societies like the UK and US has had disastrous social consequences; (5) that official crime rates in the US show an astronomic disproportion of crimes are committed by black Americans and this statistic cannot be accounted for by social/environmental factors; (6) that Western culture/civilization is objectively superior to any other human culture/civilization that has ever existed in human history and it has, for the past 1000 years been created by the White Western European race (that arose from the ancient aristocratic warrior Indo-European fair-skinned tribes of Europe); (7) that mass immigration of black/hispanic/latino/asian persons into the US has severely corrupted the traditional white Western culture/morality/institutions/social coherence and harmony that characterised the country in the 1960's, and so on and so forth, PLEASE POST YOUR ARGUMENT.

If you can actually formulate one that is. IT WILL BE MY PLEASURE TO "WIPE THE FLOOR" WITH YOU, so to speak.

In fact, as you have insulted me my condemning me as a NAZI, U think it behoves you to defend you position don't you?

Or are you content to do the standard libtard/crypto-socialist thing and use name-calling as your method of choice in debating the issues?


Dachshund

Meh. He's actually right, though. This world is his apple and for people like him. "Diversity" is the name of the game if you want to make it in the fast lane of the global marketplace and work for the big corporations. Nothing is going to change that. If you or I ever got into power, it would be a disaster. Let's be honest. It's probably best we don't push our way into where we don't belong.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:25 pm Meh. He's actually right, though. This world is his apple and for people like him. "Diversity" is the name of the game if you want to make it in the fast lane of the global marketplace and work for the big corporations. Nothing is going to change that. If you or I ever got into power, it would be a disaster. Let's be honest. It's probably best we don't push our way into where we don't belong.

You just love to climb up on that cross and get you some of that self pity don't you?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:25 pm If you or I ever got into power, it would be a disaster. Let's be honest. It's probably best we don't push our way into where we don't belong.

...and how many of those who are in power are precisely the ones who should never occupy any such position. If improvements are going to be made it would be mandatory to disable (one way or another) most of the current ruling class who are in it first of all for themselves with the corresponding amount of corruption to keep them there.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:12 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:25 pm Meh. He's actually right, though. This world is his apple and for people like him. "Diversity" is the name of the game if you want to make it in the fast lane of the global marketplace and work for the big corporations. Nothing is going to change that. If you or I ever got into power, it would be a disaster. Let's be honest. It's probably best we don't push our way into where we don't belong.

You just love to climb up on that cross and get you some of that self pity don't you?

I wasn't talkig to you. The post wasn't directed at you. So why are you responding? I thought we were beneath you?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:25 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:12 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:25 pm Meh. He's actually right, though. This world is his apple and for people like him. "Diversity" is the name of the game if you want to make it in the fast lane of the global marketplace and work for the big corporations. Nothing is going to change that. If you or I ever got into power, it would be a disaster. Let's be honest. It's probably best we don't push our way into where we don't belong.

You just love to climb up on that cross and get you some of that self pity don't you?

I wasn't talkig to you. The post wasn't directed at you. So why are you responding? I thought we were beneath you?

And who was the 'he' in your post then?

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:39 pm
Not really, I honestly can't be bothered with you, I already put the reason why clearly enough, here it is again.

Coward, moron,weasel.



Dachshund

Dachshund wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:19 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:39 pm
Not really, I honestly can't be bothered with you, I already put the reason why clearly enough, here it is again.

Coward, moron,weasel.



Dachshund

Specatcles, elbow, sausage.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:23 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:25 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:12 pm
You just love to climb up on that cross and get you some of that self pity don't you?

I wasn't talkig to you. The post wasn't directed at you. So why are you responding? I thought we were beneath you?

And who was the 'he' in your post then?

You. And I was actually saying you were right. So no idea what you are in a huff about.

Your quoting was ambiguous Gary and I think it's the we're not wanted stuff because of diversity by the global corporations guff.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 1:58 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:23 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:25 pm

I wasn't talkig to you. The post wasn't directed at you. So why are you responding? I thought we were beneath you?

And who was the 'he' in your post then?

You. And I was actually saying you were right. So no idea what you are in a huff about.

Ok, so we've answered the question about whether that post had anything to do with me, and I can't see why you attempted so clumsily to mislead me.

Let's further this lesson in basic honesty. You weren't writing about how I persuaded you that it is invalid to equivocate between Dachsund's hyperactive white supremacist rantings and some general anxiety about us white people inheriting privileges stolen from prior generations of Africans and Indians. You have no chance of arguing this point on logical grounds though because it's fairly straightfoward truth. But sadly you cannot agree with me without feeling sorry for yourself.

You were writing about how depleted you feel in a changing world where whiteness confers fewer unfair benefits than it used to, and you just used me as a totem for all the people who don't feel that way - apparently we all work for big corporations. And then you wrapped it up with a little whine about having to just learn your place.

You can't possibly sell that line of resentful humility as an actual agreement. You are trapped in your passive agression and self pity. Historically, neither of these things has ever worked with me, except perhaps as some form of mild laxative. I don't think they have ever worked for you in any other context though, any pity you buy by sulking is just reinforcement for self destructive behaviour.

Gary Childress wrote:

It's probably best we don't push our way into where we don't belong.

Well, somebody has to risk their safety. I cannot think of any justification for an able -bodied adult not doing their bit for universal good.

However it is interesting that Eastern morality includes fatalism. But Gary lives in Florida I think.

"Self pity"??? I have clinical depression. What's up next, kicking people in wheel chairs?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 1:40 pm "Self pity"??? I have clinical depression. What's up next, kicking people in wheel chairs?

That's not the only thing you have though. You have facts that you know, speculations that you suspect, and the ability to advance and then defend claims based on the preceding. You have choices that you can make, and you are well aware of your depression and its effects on those choices. In short, you have what you need to participate in debate and assess responses, counter or conceed, all without special pleading.

Not everybody here has that full quota of options.

If you dig a little way through this forum you will find a weird conversation where one guy accuses another guy of being too autistic to understand something written by a thrid guy. If you can locate a three sided coin you might as well flip it to determine which among the three should fling that at which of the other two. Of those nameless three, one is more than capable of debate at the level to be found here, although his unusual proclivities provoke quite a lot of personal abuse, the other two.... not so much tbh.

And there are plenty of others around these parts who appear neurotypical but have compulsive disorders, which can be far more of an encumbrance. Two other characters who have not been around for a while but sort of sucked the air out of the place when they were with us (names should be unecessary for this one) weilded one out of control narcissistic personality disorder and a textbook case of delusional disorder (grandiose type) between them. Neither could properly process information in the way necessary to participate in anything even adjacent to philosophical debate. Neither of them was entirely unique though, and similarly encumbered people wander by every now and then.

We currently have a number of topics on the go from a guy who is so sadly desperate to impress somebody-anybody that he just doesn't care if he is writing utter bollocks, he keeps going when even he knows he has screwed himself, he doesn't seem to know how to stop. I couldn't speculate what underlying sadness propels him, but he most likely doesn't either.

You have multiple advantages over all those people, depression might take choices away from you when you are walking down the street, but in the realm of what to type in a forum by way of philsophical argument, does it really force you to sulk and blame me for your arguments not being good? If you are right about something and I am wrong, you have what you need to take it and make me eat it. I certainly fail to see how depression explains why you wouldn't let me just not want to converse with Daschund if I don't feel like it.




PS... if you are considering the obvious move of asking "what about you you utter mad bastard?" at me, you should first consider the implications for your wheelchair objection. I mean, I'll allow it, it's a valid move, but it's probably not the smart choice.