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Greta wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:12 am I see the virgin birth as "just a myth", not valuable unless one buys into a patriarchal mindset, which is just an extra filter that interferes with clear thought.

What on earth does that even mean?

Talk about me not making sense?

Who gave birth to this assumed ''patriarchal mindset'' mentioned? ...who gave birth to this assumed ''clear thinker'' mentioned?

Who is buying into what and was that who born?


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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:06 am

Greta wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:12 am I see the virgin birth as "just a myth", not valuable unless one buys into a patriarchal mindset, which is just an extra filter that interferes with clear thought.

What on earth does that even mean?

Talk about me not making sense?

Who gave birth to this assumed ''patriarchal mindset'' mentioned? ...who gave birth to this assumed ''clear thinker'' mentioned?

Who is buying into what and was that who born?


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Even you Dam must surely want to alleviate the misery of oppressed women?

Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:28 am
Even you Dam must surely want to alleviate the misery of oppressed women?

Yes, and that's why I choose to write about nonduality...to help free up the blockage that is mis-identification.

The one identified with the thought ..''there are miserable oppressed women''...is the one manifesting that belief into existence through the belief the thought is real...when it isn't...is a new born baby born an oppressed baby? ..no of course not, these beliefs are imposed upon them by those who came before them who also held onto such beliefs themselves.

You are not your thoughts..you are that which is aware of thought...awareness doesn't have any beliefs about itself, it's neutral ...it is that in which all beliefs arise and fall...allowed and permitted...or not.

You create your own misery self...no one else is responsible for what you are creating with your identified belief in the thought arising in you...awareness allows the belief to be there in you...if there was no awareness behind the mind of thought that knows every thought in the instant they arise...you wouldn't know what belief was...beliefs come and go....but awareness never comes and goes..it's always here constantly unchanging.

In other words..no one can oppress another one...this is only ever oneness oppressing itself...and if it can oppress itself, then it can undo that oppression...all unwanted beliefs are returned to sender - to equilibrium in the end ..because it's equilibrium that allows for them to be in the first place...without that ground of all being...nothing would be happening, showing up. It's the screen on which the movie is playing, no belief, no movie...but the screen remains even when the movie is absent, for it has to be there all the time, else no belief could ever manifest into actuality. No screen, no movie to show.

YOU are the watcher of thought not the thought...identity with the thought is the misery self...while the real SELF looks on in detachment...it's all allowing.

You choose what role you want to play..., do you want to be miserable and oppressed? no of course not...who told you you were miserable and oppressed? ..or was that just a belief?

Your real Self was never touched or harmed by any event that ever happened in the making of this movie because you are the only one making it?

You don't have to be in the movie...you can kill yourself right now...the movie can be well worth the price of admission when you know the truth of yourself, and it really is up to you to make a good movie or not...your the creator, director, and the character in the movie all at once...while your real self looks on in detachment.

We're all the same AWARENESS watching the movie called life....the roles played by the characters are all unique, but as a conscious creator, you ultimately get to choose your own reality, dream story by becoming lucid in your own dream that only you are creating. You have overall control of how you want to be in the world...no other has ever got control over you...unless you give your own power away to them, like so many often do...I've done it myself, I did this repeatedly until one day I awakened to the dream of separation and in that moment I vanished as a separate identity.

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So to cut a very long tall story short.


The SELF is not a myth....the identified self is a myth.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:33 am So to cut a very long tall story short.


The SELF is not a myth....the identified self is a myth.

A sense of self and identity is no myth, but a practical tool for living in a society, or ecosystem for that matter.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:06 am

Greta wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:12 am I see the virgin birth as "just a myth", not valuable unless one buys into a patriarchal mindset, which is just an extra filter that interferes with clear thought.

What on earth does that even mean?

Talk about me not making sense?

Who gave birth to this assumed ''patriarchal mindset'' mentioned? ...who gave birth to this assumed ''clear thinker'' mentioned?

Who is buying into what and was that who born?

Okay, explained with shorter words: The act of trying to work out what is actually going on in reality is hindered if one is distracted by silly myths about women giving birth without having had sex beforehand. It acts as noise, like a filter that interferes with clear-sighted perception.

Your questions make no sense. If you think that virgin births have nothing to do with a patriarchal mindset - despite your brave rationalisation in another post - you are ignoring history.

You made an excellent point in that other post as regards the permanent physical changes that a woman experiences after sex but this still underestimates the mental and emotional changes that losing virginity brings to each gender - as a rite of passage, almost a modern private initiation ceremony. The event is huge and permanently changing for each gender.

So, even if psychological affects are put aside, we are left with a traditionalist view that wildly overrates virginity due to vestigial patriarchy within the culture. I can accept the patriarchy within the culture because I don't expect lasting societal changes to be fast, but that doesn't mean uncritically accepting patriarchy's perspectives, including the magnified perspective of virginity.

Belinda wrote

Even you Dam must surely want to alleviate the misery of oppressed women?

But who wants to alleviate the misery of oppressed men? Who cares that society is doing what it can to prevent men from becoming men so as to further the transition of society into secular slavery? If people are limited to arguing oppressed men vs oppressed women how can they be expected to open to the dynamics of the virgin birth? Can't happen.

Greta wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:41 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:33 am So to cut a very long tall story short.


The SELF is not a myth....the identified self is a myth.

A sense of self and identity is no myth, but a practical tool for living in a society, or ecosystem for that matter.

It's a myth.

Dogs and cats don't have identities, yes, you explain the obvious, thought is a good problem solving tool for humans since they are the ones who invented the problems in the first place.

If dogs had identities they would also be setting up their own religions on how to save themselves from their sins.

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All knowledge is illusory, it's all story, that has no reality in and of itself apart from silent presence except as a belief.

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Greta wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:56 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:06 am

Greta wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:12 am I see the virgin birth as "just a myth", not valuable unless one buys into a patriarchal mindset, which is just an extra filter that interferes with clear thought.

What on earth does that even mean?

Talk about me not making sense?

Who gave birth to this assumed ''patriarchal mindset'' mentioned? ...who gave birth to this assumed ''clear thinker'' mentioned?

Who is buying into what and was that who born?

Okay, explained with shorter words: The act of trying to work out what is actually going on in reality is hindered if one is distracted by silly myths about women giving birth without having had sex beforehand. It acts as noise, like a filter that interferes with clear-sighted perception.

Your questions make no sense. If you think that virgin births have nothing to do with a patriarchal mindset - despite your brave rationalisation in another post - you are ignoring history.

Well I actually thought we were at the religious forum talking about the virgin birth, in other words the immaculate conception...so I have actually no idea what it is you are talking about.

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What has a patriarchal mindset got to do with the immaculate conception? ..and what even is a patriarchal mindset to begin with, where did that idea come from?



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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:05 amWhat has a patriarchal mindset got to do with the immaculate conception? ..and what even is a patriarchal mindset to begin with, where did that idea come from?

It's been explained more than once by me on this thread. I'd rather not repeat myself more than necessary.

Greta wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:16 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:05 amWhat has a patriarchal mindset got to do with the immaculate conception? ..and what even is a patriarchal mindset to begin with, where did that idea come from?

It's been explained more than once by me on this thread. I'd rather not repeat myself more than necessary.

The obviousness that life is the immaculate conception makes a patriarchal mindset a myth.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:01 am

Greta wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:41 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:33 amSo to cut a very long tall story short.

The SELF is not a myth....the identified self is a myth.

A sense of self and identity is no myth, but a practical tool for living in a society, or ecosystem for that matter.

It's a myth.

Dogs and cats don't have identities, yes, you explain the obvious, thought is a good problem solving tool for humans since they are the ones who invented the problems in the first place.

If dogs had identities they would also be setting up their own religions on how to save themselves from their sins.

All knowledge is illusory, it's all story, that has no reality in and of itself apart from silent presence except as a belief.

In "real life" knowledge is no illusion, rather it is power.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:19 pm Belinda wrote

Even you Dam must surely want to alleviate the misery of oppressed women?

But who wants to alleviate the misery of oppressed men? Who cares that society is doing what it can to prevent men from becoming men so as to further the transition of society into secular slavery? If people are limited to arguing oppressed men vs oppressed women how can they be expected to open to the dynamics of the virgin birth? Can't happen.

The virgin birth is going to cause chaos in the world, it's going to take away all beliefs that people cling onto for dear life.

The chaos is already showing in the world right now...people one by one are waking up all thanks to the internet. There is a state of confusion that's all, but the chaos has to play out.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:19 am

Greta wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:16 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:05 amWhat has a patriarchal mindset got to do with the immaculate conception? ..and what even is a patriarchal mindset to begin with, where did that idea come from?

It's been explained more than once by me on this thread. I'd rather not repeat myself more than necessary.

The obviousness that life is the immaculate conception makes a patriarchal mindset a myth.

"Life is the immaculate conception". Please explain. That makes no sense.

You cannot get away from the creepy obsessing about virginity of the ancients. Read up some history. This primal need to fully possess the reproductive capacities of a woman are behind the focus on virginity.

Greta wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:22 am In "real life" knowledge is no illusion, rather it is power.

Belief is power..the mind of belief is very powerful..it's a myth appearing real.