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bahman wrote:We believe that God is omniscient and omnipotent. This means that there should be one true religion. There are about 4000 religions. How God could fail to convey his message?

Pure nonsense and babble ..he has made prophets convey his message quite well. It's just you who spew random ramblings as usual.

HexHammer wrote:

bahman wrote:We believe that God is omniscient and omnipotent. This means that there should be one true religion. There are about 4000 religions. How God could fail to convey his message?

Pure nonsense and babble ..he has made prophets convey his message quite well. It's just you who spew random ramblings as usual.

Why do those prophets not agree?

How come the history of religion is a litany of one set of prophets executing and waging war against another set of prophets.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

HexHammer wrote:

bahman wrote:We believe that God is omniscient and omnipotent. This means that there should be one true religion. There are about 4000 religions. How God could fail to convey his message?

Pure nonsense and babble ..he has made prophets convey his message quite well. It's just you who spew random ramblings as usual.

Why do those prophets not agree?

How come the history of religion is a litany of one set of prophets executing and waging war against another set of prophets.

Obviously because of their own individual and unique previous experiences.

ken wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

HexHammer wrote:Pure nonsense and babble ..he has made prophets convey his message quite well. It's just you who spew random ramblings as usual.

Why do those prophets not agree?

How come the history of religion is a litany of one set of prophets executing and waging war against another set of prophets.

Obviously because of their own individual and unique previous experiences.

So why is god failing to convey his message?
If god created men then their failings are his design.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

HexHammer wrote:

bahman wrote:We believe that God is omniscient and omnipotent. This means that there should be one true religion. There are about 4000 religions. How God could fail to convey his message?

Pure nonsense and babble ..he has made prophets convey his message quite well. It's just you who spew random ramblings as usual.

Why do those prophets not agree?

How come the history of religion is a litany of one set of prophets executing and waging war against another set of prophets.

But they do agree, they talk about the end times, when a dude from the heavens descend upon the mortal realm on a white horse/cloud.
Because some exceed their prerogatives and lie and mix in personal bias.

HexHammer wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

HexHammer wrote:Pure nonsense and babble ..he has made prophets convey his message quite well. It's just you who spew random ramblings as usual.

Why do those prophets not agree?

How come the history of religion is a litany of one set of prophets executing and waging war against another set of prophets.

But they do agree, they talk about the end times, when a dude from the heavens descend upon the mortal realm on a white horse/cloud.
Because some exceed their prerogatives and lie and mix in personal bias.

If god created men then their failings are his design.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

ken wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Why do those prophets not agree?

How come the history of religion is a litany of one set of prophets executing and waging war against another set of prophets.

Obviously because of their own individual and unique previous experiences.

So why is god failing to convey his message?

Because of an individual's own past experiences people mix in their own personal biases with the messages conveyed from God.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:If god created men then their failings are his design.

Why would you think god is a he? Have your own personal past experiences been mixed in with what the actual and real Truth conveyed from God is?

Two things here:
1. How do you imagine God created men? Is the perception you have now a mixture of the knowledge you have gained from past experiences and what is conveyed from God, or is your perception made up solely from your own personal past experiences? Besides one I have yet to see a human being who has remotely been close to understanding exactly how God creates everything. Even your use of the word created instead of creates, causes confusion, which distorts the Truth even further.

2. Do you use the word 'men' only, instead of men and women or humans, because of your own past experiences? Obviously if you listened to God God would never convey the message, "I created men". In the times when the bible was written the people then saw men as being more than women so they would use the word men instead of humans. If you listened to God, God does not differentiate between men and women, besides in the physical genitals. To create a species a male and a female form is needed so physical gender forms are needed, but nothing else. Sadly though people do not listen to God, or the Truth, people listen to their own past previous experiences only, which is the reason why some people, just like yourself, still refer to God as a he. A rather foolish thing to do.

By the way what are the actual failings of human beings you talk about, speaking from and for yourself only, which you are trying to blame onto some other thing?

If you had ever listened to what God is actually conveying, God does not tell you what to do, God only tells you what is right and what is wrong to do. You are free to choose what you do, this is the only failing I am aware of, so what other failings do you, yourself, have?

ken wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

ken wrote:
Obviously because of their own individual and unique previous experiences.

So why is god failing to convey his message?

Because of an individual's own past experiences people mix in their own personal biases with the messages conveyed from God.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:If god created men then their failings are his design.

Why would you think god is a he? Have your own personal past experiences been mixed in with what the actual and real Truth conveyed from God is?

That is not a relevant objection. I don't believe in any god, gender is no more than a convention.

If you prefer: "If god created men then their failings are her design"
OR "If god created men then their failings are god's design"


Now answer the question if you can. And try it without the usual obfuscation.
You seem to want to absolve god of the responsibility, whilst blaming humans for failings of design which cannot be failing done. You cannot blame a car for the flaws in its own engine. The responsibility lies with the designer.
God has failed to convey "His" message, to paraphrase the thread title. You have not begun to challenge that except to allude to the claim that YOU know what the message is but other poor humans are not capable through their own failings.

Hobbes' Choice wrote: Why do those prophets not agree.

If they don't agree with me, that's proof positive they're not prophets.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

ken wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
So why is god failing to convey his message?

Because of an individual's own past experiences people mix in their own personal biases with the messages conveyed from God.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:If god created men then their failings are his design.

Why would you think god is a he? Have your own personal past experiences been mixed in with what the actual and real Truth conveyed from God is?

That is not a relevant objection. I don't believe in any god, gender is no more than a convention.

It certainly was NOT an objection. What it was was a question asked for clarity. Did you notice my two sentences both ended with a question mark. A question mark infers a question asked, for clarification. An objection is usually made in a statement, not a question. For your information ALL of my sentences ending with a question mark means I am asking you a question, and not making an objection.

By the way, did you notice you did NOT answer my second question?

Hobbes' Choice wrote:If you prefer: "If god created men then their failings are her design"
OR "If god created men then their failings are god's design"

They are both deceptions from what is True. I do not prefer either of them. I prefer only to see what you write, from what you want to write. This shows Me far more about 'you', and what is thought to be right.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:Now answer the question if you can. And try it without the usual obfuscation.

Do you really expect Me to answer your question again? YET you have maybe only answered just a couple, if that many, of my questions directed towards YOU, which must be getting up towards over 50 by now.

I have answered this thread question the best I can, SO FAR. If you unable to understand it and/or do not want to ask questions to Me for clarification of understanding what I have said, then so be it. You will just keep existing where you are now.

Also, do you know how much of a waste of time it is to talk to a human being who believes (in) some thing?

By the way, just maybe if you answered some of my very simple and easily asked clarifying questions directed at you, so that I could gain some kind of insight into you, and the way you tick, and gain a better understanding of exactly where you are coming from, then I could try to write in a way that is less obfuscuring to your way of seeing things. Have you ever thought that that is what I have been trying to do all along?

Obviously what I write is obscure, not clear, and unintelligible to you because of the views you now hold, and are trying so hard to not share with us here. The reason you are so bewildered with what I write is because of those already obvious views that you are trying to hide from Me, and others.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:You seem to want to absolve god of the responsibility, whilst blaming humans for failings of design which cannot be failing done. You cannot blame a car for the flaws in its own engine. The responsibility lies with the designer.

By your response here you certainly have absolutely no understanding of what my views are yet.

One day you might.

Have you ever considered that if a "Designer" allowed Its Self to evolve into a thing, which is free to choose to do whatever it likes, and have the ability to learn from the mistakes It makes, then that is NOT absolving any responsibility from anything nor is blaming any thing for anything.

That, by the way, just might be how an evolving "Thing" comes into Its own being and consciously aware Self.

One day you also might become truly and fully responsible for what you, yourself, do, and then also become fully conscious, aware, AND be able to answer the question, Who am 'I', exactly? Until then it probably be better that you stop being so sure of yourself.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:God has failed to convey "His" message, to paraphrase the thread title.

Have you paraphrased the thread title correctly?

The thread title is a question. It is NOT a statement.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:You have not begun to challenge that except to allude to the claim that YOU know what the message is but other poor humans are not capable through their own failings.

How is it possible to challenge a question? The way you look at what I write, that is ONLY from your own personal past experiences, which are filled with already gained assumptions and beliefs, based on those past experiences, is completely deluding you from what I am actually writing and meaning.

There is nothing to challenge. There is only a question asked. I answered it, although admittedly not as good as I would like to, just yet. But bewildering people JUST BY asking them questions is part of my evolving plan. There is no fun in just giving all of Life's so called "secrets" away. What I find far more fun is watching individual human beings refuse to answer simple questions and think they know what is absolutely true, right, and correct.

By the way, HOW could a thing that does not exist convey "A" message?

if you believe a thing is non-existent, then why bother yourself even questioning it or talking about It to others?

Further to this, if you believe a non-existing thing could not convey a message, then why go on about It?

Does it bother you that some people believe things that you do not believe?

Could "God" be conveying messages to you, right here and right now, and you would not even recognize that?

ken wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

ken wrote:
Because of an individual's own past experiences people mix in their own personal biases with the messages conveyed from God.



Why would you think god is a he? Have your own personal past experiences been mixed in with what the actual and real Truth conveyed from God is?

That is not a relevant objection. I don't believe in any god, gender is no more than a convention.

It certainly was NOT an objection. What it was was a question asked for clarity. Did you notice my two sentences both ended with a question mark. A question mark infers a question asked, for clarification. An objection is usually made in a statement, not a question. For your information ALL of my sentences ending with a question mark means I am asking you a question, and not making an objection.

By the way, did you notice you did NOT answer my second question?

Hobbes' Choice wrote:If you prefer: "If god created men then their failings are her design"
OR "If god created men then their failings are god's design"

They are both deceptions from what is True. I do not prefer either of them. I prefer only to see what you write, from what you want to write. This shows Me far more about 'you', and what is thought to be right.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:Now answer the question if you can. And try it without the usual obfuscation.

Do you really expect Me to answer your question again? YET you have maybe only answered just a couple, if that many, of my questions directed towards YOU, which must be getting up towards over 50 by now.

I have answered this thread question the best I can, SO FAR. If you unable to understand it and/or do not want to ask questions to Me for clarification of understanding what I have said, then so be it. You will just keep existing where you are now.

Also, do you know how much of a waste of time it is to talk to a human being who believes (in) some thing?

By the way, just maybe if you answered some of my very simple and easily asked clarifying questions directed at you, so that I could gain some kind of insight into you, and the way you tick, and gain a better understanding of exactly where you are coming from, then I could try to write in a way that is less obfuscuring to your way of seeing things. Have you ever thought that that is what I have been trying to do all along?

Obviously what I write is obscure, not clear, and unintelligible to you because of the views you now hold, and are trying so hard to not share with us here. The reason you are so bewildered with what I write is because of those already obvious views that you are trying to hide from Me, and others.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:You seem to want to absolve god of the responsibility, whilst blaming humans for failings of design which cannot be failing done. You cannot blame a car for the flaws in its own engine. The responsibility lies with the designer.

By your response here you certainly have absolutely no understanding of what my views are yet.

One day you might.

Have you ever considered that if a "Designer" allowed Its Self to evolve into a thing, which is free to choose to do whatever it likes, and have the ability to learn from the mistakes It makes, then that is NOT absolving any responsibility from anything nor is blaming any thing for anything.

That, by the way, just might be how an evolving "Thing" comes into Its own being and consciously aware Self.

One day you also might become truly and fully responsible for what you, yourself, do, and then also become fully conscious, aware, AND be able to answer the question, Who am 'I', exactly? Until then it probably be better that you stop being so sure of yourself.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:God has failed to convey "His" message, to paraphrase the thread title.

Have you paraphrased the thread title correctly?

The thread title is a question. It is NOT a statement.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:You have not begun to challenge that except to allude to the claim that YOU know what the message is but other poor humans are not capable through their own failings.

How is it possible to challenge a question? The way you look at what I write, that is ONLY from your own personal past experiences, which are filled with already gained assumptions and beliefs, based on those past experiences, is completely deluding you from what I am actually writing and meaning.

There is nothing to challenge. There is only a question asked. I answered it, although admittedly not as good as I would like to, just yet. But bewildering people JUST BY asking them questions is part of my evolving plan. There is no fun in just giving all of Life's so called "secrets" away. What I find far more fun is watching individual human beings refuse to answer simple questions and think they know what is absolutely true, right, and correct.

By the way, HOW could a thing that does not exist convey "A" message?

if you believe a thing is non-existent, then why bother yourself even questioning it or talking about It to others?

Further to this, if you believe a non-existing thing could not convey a message, then why go on about It?

Does it bother you that some people believe things that you do not believe?

Could "God" be conveying messages to you, right here and right now, and you would not even recognize that?

Well congratulations! It seems that you are the only one on earth who thinks himself privileged to know the mind of god.

Sadly there are many others labouring under the same misapprehension, yet there is so little agreement.
It seems far more reasonable to suggest that there is no message. And even if there is a message then it is both incoherent and garbled.

For all you know god's message is for you to shut up and listen to me. How would you know?

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

ken wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote: That is not a relevant objection. I don't believe in any god, gender is no more than a convention.

It certainly was NOT an objection. What it was was a question asked for clarity. Did you notice my two sentences both ended with a question mark. A question mark infers a question asked, for clarification. An objection is usually made in a statement, not a question. For your information ALL of my sentences ending with a question mark means I am asking you a question, and not making an objection.

By the way, did you notice you did NOT answer my second question?

Hobbes' Choice wrote:If you prefer: "If god created men then their failings are her design"
OR "If god created men then their failings are god's design"

They are both deceptions from what is True. I do not prefer either of them. I prefer only to see what you write, from what you want to write. This shows Me far more about 'you', and what is thought to be right.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:Now answer the question if you can. And try it without the usual obfuscation.

Do you really expect Me to answer your question again? YET you have maybe only answered just a couple, if that many, of my questions directed towards YOU, which must be getting up towards over 50 by now.

I have answered this thread question the best I can, SO FAR. If you unable to understand it and/or do not want to ask questions to Me for clarification of understanding what I have said, then so be it. You will just keep existing where you are now.

Also, do you know how much of a waste of time it is to talk to a human being who believes (in) some thing?

By the way, just maybe if you answered some of my very simple and easily asked clarifying questions directed at you, so that I could gain some kind of insight into you, and the way you tick, and gain a better understanding of exactly where you are coming from, then I could try to write in a way that is less obfuscuring to your way of seeing things. Have you ever thought that that is what I have been trying to do all along?

Obviously what I write is obscure, not clear, and unintelligible to you because of the views you now hold, and are trying so hard to not share with us here. The reason you are so bewildered with what I write is because of those already obvious views that you are trying to hide from Me, and others.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:You seem to want to absolve god of the responsibility, whilst blaming humans for failings of design which cannot be failing done. You cannot blame a car for the flaws in its own engine. The responsibility lies with the designer.

By your response here you certainly have absolutely no understanding of what my views are yet.

One day you might.

Have you ever considered that if a "Designer" allowed Its Self to evolve into a thing, which is free to choose to do whatever it likes, and have the ability to learn from the mistakes It makes, then that is NOT absolving any responsibility from anything nor is blaming any thing for anything.

That, by the way, just might be how an evolving "Thing" comes into Its own being and consciously aware Self.

One day you also might become truly and fully responsible for what you, yourself, do, and then also become fully conscious, aware, AND be able to answer the question, Who am 'I', exactly? Until then it probably be better that you stop being so sure of yourself.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:God has failed to convey "His" message, to paraphrase the thread title.

Have you paraphrased the thread title correctly?

The thread title is a question. It is NOT a statement.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:You have not begun to challenge that except to allude to the claim that YOU know what the message is but other poor humans are not capable through their own failings.

How is it possible to challenge a question? The way you look at what I write, that is ONLY from your own personal past experiences, which are filled with already gained assumptions and beliefs, based on those past experiences, is completely deluding you from what I am actually writing and meaning.

There is nothing to challenge. There is only a question asked. I answered it, although admittedly not as good as I would like to, just yet. But bewildering people JUST BY asking them questions is part of my evolving plan. There is no fun in just giving all of Life's so called "secrets" away. What I find far more fun is watching individual human beings refuse to answer simple questions and think they know what is absolutely true, right, and correct.

By the way, HOW could a thing that does not exist convey "A" message?

if you believe a thing is non-existent, then why bother yourself even questioning it or talking about It to others?

Further to this, if you believe a non-existing thing could not convey a message, then why go on about It?

Does it bother you that some people believe things that you do not believe?

Could "God" be conveying messages to you, right here and right now, and you would not even recognize that?

Well congratulations! It seems that you are the only one on earth who thinks himself privileged to know the mind of god.

Sadly there are many others labouring under the same misapprehension, yet there is so little agreement.
It seems far more reasonable to suggest that there is no message. And even if there is a message then it is both incoherent and garbled.

For all you know god's message is for you to shut up and listen to me. How would you know?

Again, you could not or would not answer ANY question posed to you here.

How I would know if God's message is to shut up and listen to hobbes' choice IS if, and every time when, hobbes' choice says some thing that IS intelligible and wise, instead of ridicule and shame of others, that is when I KNOW to listen.

It appears by your last remark that you are not aware that some of God's messages are conveyed through human beings. ALL human beings have the capability of passing on and conveying God's messages, NOT just some of them. When human beings are parting intelligent and wise messages, then the message itself conveyed is God saying "Stop, shut up and listen", to Me. ALL the truly intelligent and wise words come from God. The rest are just words coming from personal biased views, which are derived from one, or a few select, individuals. To be able to make the distinction between the two helps when you fully understand how the Mind and the brain work.

This conveying of God's messages/words happens to and from ALL and every human being, EQUALLY, all the time. Obviously you would already know that there is NO one human being who is more privileged, or better, than another. So, what seemed to you, that I thought that I was privileged, was in fact so totally and completely WRONG, again, on your part.

If any message seems incoherent and garbled to a person, and that person does not then ask for clarification, but instead just makes assumptions, or believes otherwise, then that is solely due to that person NOT listening properly. I have just explained how and given the reason why what seemed to you, does end up being so completely and utterly WRONG. This was and is because you do NOT listen properly, which is done by attempting to clarify. You prefer to just despise, and then attempt to ridicule. So, you inevitably NEVER get to KNOW the actually messages are being conveyed by God.

Being able to hear God's messages is done by true listening, which involves repeating and/or asking for clarification. Doing this IS being truly open. Being open, in order to learn more and thus become wiser, IS a huge part of what God actually IS.

Also, just for your information, there is NO mind of god. There is only One Mind, which is the truly open Mind, and that Mind IS God, in the Spiritual sense of 'God'. God in the physical sense is obviously different.

But going on your past performances you are now going to tell Me that I am wrong, and tell Me something similar to that I am stupid, with absolutely no explanation or reason given either, by the way. But hopefully you will surprise Me this time.

ken wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

ken wrote:
It certainly was NOT an objection. What it was was a question asked for clarity. Did you notice my two sentences both ended with a question mark. A question mark infers a question asked, for clarification. An objection is usually made in a statement, not a question. For your information ALL of my sentences ending with a question mark means I am asking you a question, and not making an objection.

By the way, did you notice you did NOT answer my second question?




They are both deceptions from what is True. I do not prefer either of them. I prefer only to see what you write, from what you want to write. This shows Me far more about 'you', and what is thought to be right.





Do you really expect Me to answer your question again? YET you have maybe only answered just a couple, if that many, of my questions directed towards YOU, which must be getting up towards over 50 by now.

I have answered this thread question the best I can, SO FAR. If you unable to understand it and/or do not want to ask questions to Me for clarification of understanding what I have said, then so be it. You will just keep existing where you are now.

Also, do you know how much of a waste of time it is to talk to a human being who believes (in) some thing?

By the way, just maybe if you answered some of my very simple and easily asked clarifying questions directed at you, so that I could gain some kind of insight into you, and the way you tick, and gain a better understanding of exactly where you are coming from, then I could try to write in a way that is less obfuscuring to your way of seeing things. Have you ever thought that that is what I have been trying to do all along?

Obviously what I write is obscure, not clear, and unintelligible to you because of the views you now hold, and are trying so hard to not share with us here. The reason you are so bewildered with what I write is because of those already obvious views that you are trying to hide from Me, and others.



By your response here you certainly have absolutely no understanding of what my views are yet.

One day you might.

Have you ever considered that if a "Designer" allowed Its Self to evolve into a thing, which is free to choose to do whatever it likes, and have the ability to learn from the mistakes It makes, then that is NOT absolving any responsibility from anything nor is blaming any thing for anything.

That, by the way, just might be how an evolving "Thing" comes into Its own being and consciously aware Self.

One day you also might become truly and fully responsible for what you, yourself, do, and then also become fully conscious, aware, AND be able to answer the question, Who am 'I', exactly? Until then it probably be better that you stop being so sure of yourself.



Have you paraphrased the thread title correctly?

The thread title is a question. It is NOT a statement.





How is it possible to challenge a question? The way you look at what I write, that is ONLY from your own personal past experiences, which are filled with already gained assumptions and beliefs, based on those past experiences, is completely deluding you from what I am actually writing and meaning.

There is nothing to challenge. There is only a question asked. I answered it, although admittedly not as good as I would like to, just yet. But bewildering people JUST BY asking them questions is part of my evolving plan. There is no fun in just giving all of Life's so called "secrets" away. What I find far more fun is watching individual human beings refuse to answer simple questions and think they know what is absolutely true, right, and correct.

By the way, HOW could a thing that does not exist convey "A" message?

if you believe a thing is non-existent, then why bother yourself even questioning it or talking about It to others?

Further to this, if you believe a non-existing thing could not convey a message, then why go on about It?

Does it bother you that some people believe things that you do not believe?

Could "God" be conveying messages to you, right here and right now, and you would not even recognize that?

Well congratulations! It seems that you are the only one on earth who thinks himself privileged to know the mind of god.

Sadly there are many others labouring under the same misapprehension, yet there is so little agreement.
It seems far more reasonable to suggest that there is no message. And even if there is a message then it is both incoherent and garbled.

For all you know god's message is for you to shut up and listen to me. How would you know?

Again, you could not or would not answer ANY question posed to you here.

How I would know if God's message is to shut up and listen to hobbes' choice IS if, and every time when, hobbes' choice says some thing that IS intelligible and wise, instead of ridicule and shame of others, that is when I KNOW to listen.

It appears by your last remark that you are not aware that some of God's messages are conveyed through human beings. ALL human beings have the capability of passing on and conveying God's messages, NOT just some of them. When human beings are parting intelligent and wise messages, then the message itself conveyed is God saying "Stop, shut up and listen", to Me. ALL the truly intelligent and wise words come from God. The rest are just words coming from personal biased views, which are derived from one, or a few select, individuals. To be able to make the distinction between the two helps when you fully understand how the Mind and the brain work.

This conveying of God's messages/words happens to and from ALL and every human being, EQUALLY, all the time. Obviously you would already know that there is NO one human being who is more privileged, or better, than another. So, what seemed to you, that I thought that I was privileged, was in fact so totally and completely WRONG, again, on your part.

If any message seems incoherent and garbled to a person, and that person does not then ask for clarification, but instead just makes assumptions, or believes otherwise, then that is solely due to that person NOT listening properly. I have just explained how and given the reason why what seemed to you, does end up being so completely and utterly WRONG. This was and is because you do NOT listen properly, which is done by attempting to clarify. You prefer to just despise, and then attempt to ridicule. So, you inevitably NEVER get to KNOW the actually messages are being conveyed by God.

Being able to hear God's messages is done by true listening, which involves repeating and/or asking for clarification. Doing this IS being truly open. Being open, in order to learn more and thus become wiser, IS a huge part of what God actually IS.

Also, just for your information, there is NO mind of god. There is only One Mind, which is the truly open Mind, and that Mind IS God, in the Spiritual sense of 'God'. God in the physical sense is obviously different.

But going on your past performances you are now going to tell Me that I am wrong, and tell Me something similar to that I am stupid, with absolutely no explanation or reason given either, by the way. But hopefully you will surprise Me this time.

Here is something god told me about you: you are seriously deluded on a number of issues.
he told me to tell you to stop being so foolish and to address my points.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

ken wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Well congratulations! It seems that you are the only one on earth who thinks himself privileged to know the mind of god.

Sadly there are many others labouring under the same misapprehension, yet there is so little agreement.
It seems far more reasonable to suggest that there is no message. And even if there is a message then it is both incoherent and garbled.

For all you know god's message is for you to shut up and listen to me. How would you know?

Again, you could not or would not answer ANY question posed to you here.

How I would know if God's message is to shut up and listen to hobbes' choice IS if, and every time when, hobbes' choice says some thing that IS intelligible and wise, instead of ridicule and shame of others, that is when I KNOW to listen.

It appears by your last remark that you are not aware that some of God's messages are conveyed through human beings. ALL human beings have the capability of passing on and conveying God's messages, NOT just some of them. When human beings are parting intelligent and wise messages, then the message itself conveyed is God saying "Stop, shut up and listen", to Me. ALL the truly intelligent and wise words come from God. The rest are just words coming from personal biased views, which are derived from one, or a few select, individuals. To be able to make the distinction between the two helps when you fully understand how the Mind and the brain work.

This conveying of God's messages/words happens to and from ALL and every human being, EQUALLY, all the time. Obviously you would already know that there is NO one human being who is more privileged, or better, than another. So, what seemed to you, that I thought that I was privileged, was in fact so totally and completely WRONG, again, on your part.

If any message seems incoherent and garbled to a person, and that person does not then ask for clarification, but instead just makes assumptions, or believes otherwise, then that is solely due to that person NOT listening properly. I have just explained how and given the reason why what seemed to you, does end up being so completely and utterly WRONG. This was and is because you do NOT listen properly, which is done by attempting to clarify. You prefer to just despise, and then attempt to ridicule. So, you inevitably NEVER get to KNOW the actually messages are being conveyed by God.

Being able to hear God's messages is done by true listening, which involves repeating and/or asking for clarification. Doing this IS being truly open. Being open, in order to learn more and thus become wiser, IS a huge part of what God actually IS.

Also, just for your information, there is NO mind of god. There is only One Mind, which is the truly open Mind, and that Mind IS God, in the Spiritual sense of 'God'. God in the physical sense is obviously different.

But going on your past performances you are now going to tell Me that I am wrong, and tell Me something similar to that I am stupid, with absolutely no explanation or reason given either, by the way. But hopefully you will surprise Me this time.

Here is something god told me about you: you are seriously deluded on a number of issues.
he told me to tell you to stop being so foolish and to address my points.

Just as I predicted you would do, I wrote:
"But going on your past performances you are now going to tell Me that I am wrong, and tell Me something similar to that I am stupid, with absolutely no explanation or reason given either, by the way. But hopefully you will surprise Me this time."

Sadly I was not surprised.

What issues exactly did God tell you that I was deluded on?

What points did a "male" God tell you for Me to address?

Why do you persist saying God does not even exist yet you continue to say that God speaks to you? How often does this non-existent thing talk to you?

And, why will you not answer my questions?

By the way can you spot the difference between 'you' and 'I'? I ask direct straightforward simple questions to you to help you to be able to explain yourself better. You, on the other hand, tend to just allude to things like "issues" and "points", of which I have absolutely no idea of what or where they are, so I also have absolutely no idea how to respond them.

Oh, the other difference between 'you' and 'I' is, I politely ask you and others questions, so that I can better understand you, and them, whereas you will TRY TO abuse and ridicule Me, and sometimes others.

Just to inform you there are six questions here, will you ever attempt to answer any of my questions, this time? That is seven now.

ken wrote: Sadly I was not surprised.
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You have not paid any attention, so I am not surprised by your lack of surprise.

You have really said nothing yet. Your questions are meaningless, as you ought to know.

"How could God fail to convey his message?"
It seems you think the question is in error, since you seem to know the mind of God. For you at least Gd has succeeded.