Scientific Facts In The Quran

[chaz wyman]

There is nothing scientific in the koran. For example, where is the scientific method described in the koran? It isn't. If the koran did state the scientific method should be followed in obtaining knowledge, then it would be telling its readers to ignore its own non-verifiable supernatural claims.

Anyone who claims that the koran has all the answers please solve a present, unsolved, scientific question through the koran. It never happens, does it? Instead, the muslims wait until a scientific discovery occurs, then they try to stretch the interpretation of some obscure passage in the koran to fit the discovery. It's insanity.

Islam is 100% false.

Muhammad also never existed. Same with Jesus. Superstitious religion is just nutty.

Muhammed and Jesus both lived. It is pointless to argue from that position.
Your alter-ego, Spinoza thought they existed, and he considered Jesus to be a great thinker.

[MJA]

Fact:The Higgs boson or allah particle is not mentioned anywhere in the Quran.

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[ForgedinHell]

"Muhammed and Jesus both lived. It is pointless to argue from that position.
Your alter-ego, Spinoza thought they existed, and he considered Jesus to be a great thinker.

Neither Jesus nor Muhammad existed. The evidence is in favor of their non-historical existence.

And why should I only believe in what my avatar believed? If Spinoza were alive today, and looking at the evidence for an historical Jesus, he would have laughed at the idea.

So, do you have anything actually written by this historical Jesus? No? That right there casts serious doubt on his existence. Well, maybe people who lived when he did wrote about him? No? Damn, not looking good for you. Well, surely, historians who were alive at the time this alleged Jesus lived, they wrote about him, right? No? Damn, don't see how my position on a non-historical Jesus is in jeopardy.

[chaz wyman]

"Muhammed and Jesus both lived. It is pointless to argue from that position.
Your alter-ego, Spinoza thought they existed, and he considered Jesus to be a great thinker.

Neither Jesus nor Muhammad existed. The evidence is in favor of their non-historical existence.
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The evidence for Jesus is slim outside the four Gospels and the rest of the collected works we tend to call the New Testament.
That is a large body of evidence. And as such there is more evidence for the existence of Jesus that nearly ANY of his contemporaries.

As for Mohammed he is simply an historical fact verified by all contemporary sources.

You are a moron.

[ForgedinHell]

"Muhammed and Jesus both lived. It is pointless to argue from that position.
Your alter-ego, Spinoza thought they existed, and he considered Jesus to be a great thinker.

Neither Jesus nor Muhammad existed. The evidence is in favor of their non-historical existence.
.

The evidence for Jesus is slim outside the four Gospels and the rest of the collected works we tend to call the New Testament.
That is a large body of evidence. And as such there is more evidence for the existence of Jesus that nearly ANY of his contemporaries.

As for Mohammed he is simply an historical fact verified by all contemporary sources.

You are a moron.

Calling me names, oh comrade, Chaz? LOL. It's okay, I'm an American, we have tough skins.

If you are relying on the gospels, then you have no evidence for an historical Jesus. First, the Gospel of Mark comes out of the blue, and it had to be written at least 70 years after the alleged death of Jesus. We know this is true for a number of reasons, including the fact that Christian leaders who wrote during the years 110 C.E. never cited to the damn thing. It wasn't written yet is why. In any event, Mark never cites to any sources. Before Mark there is no mention of mother Mary, Joseph, a virgin birth, etc., etc. The gospels also contain numerous contradictions, they embellish as they go along, and were written to convert people to be christians, not to document real history. So, Jesus is debunked.

Muhammad has the same problem. Nothing written by him, no witnesses wrote anything about him. He is a made-up fiction. The name Muhammad is only mentioned 4 times in the Koran, and one of those times, it referred to Jesus. The other times, Muhammad could be a title, as opposed to an actual name.

And you call me a moron, comrade Chaz?

Get a life.

[chaz wyman]

If the people of this religion are asked about the proof for the soundness of their religion, they flare up, get angry and spill the blood of whoever confronts them with this question. They forbid rational speculation, and strive to kill their adversaries. This is why truth became thoroughly silenced and concealed."




Allah, perchance, the secret word might spell;
If Allah be, He keeps His secret well;
 What He hath hidden, who shall hope to find?
Shall God His secret to a maggot tell?
…
The Koran! well, come put me to the test—
Lovely old book in hideous error drest—
 Believe me, I can quote the Koran too,
The unbeliever knows his Koran best.

And do you think that unto such as you,
A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew,
 God gave the secret, and denied it me?—
Well, well, what matters it! believe that too.
Omar Khayyám, Rubaiyat

[chaz wyman]

Neither Jesus nor Muhammad existed. The evidence is in favor of their non-historical existence.
.

The evidence for Jesus is slim outside the four Gospels and the rest of the collected works we tend to call the New Testament.
That is a large body of evidence. And as such there is more evidence for the existence of Jesus that nearly ANY of his contemporaries.

As for Mohammed he is simply an historical fact verified by all contemporary sources.

You are a moron.

Calling me names, oh comrade, Chaz? LOL. It's okay, I'm an American, we have tough skins.

You are suggesting that Christians are smart enough to have fabricated the whole story?
And the dirt Arabs?

You are a moron.

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[attofishpi]

If the people of this religion are asked about the proof for the soundness of their religion, they flare up, get angry and spill the blood of whoever confronts them with this question. They forbid rational speculation, and strive to kill their adversaries. This is why truth became thoroughly silenced and concealed."




Allah, perchance, the secret word might spell;
If Allah be, He keeps His secret well;
 What He hath hidden, who shall hope to find?
Shall God His secret to a maggot tell?
…
The Koran! well, come put me to the test—
Lovely old book in hideous error drest—
 Believe me, I can quote the Koran too,
The unbeliever knows his Koran best.

And do you think that unto such as you,
A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew,
 God gave the secret, and denied it me?—
Well, well, what matters it! believe that too.
Omar Khayyám, Rubaiyat

Fucking Hell Chaz...if only you knew.

[chaz wyman]

If the people of this religion are asked about the proof for the soundness of their religion, they flare up, get angry and spill the blood of whoever confronts them with this question. They forbid rational speculation, and strive to kill their adversaries. This is why truth became thoroughly silenced and concealed."




Allah, perchance, the secret word might spell;
If Allah be, He keeps His secret well;
 What He hath hidden, who shall hope to find?
Shall God His secret to a maggot tell?
…
The Koran! well, come put me to the test—
Lovely old book in hideous error drest—
 Believe me, I can quote the Koran too,
The unbeliever knows his Koran best.

And do you think that unto such as you,
A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew,
 God gave the secret, and denied it me?—
Well, well, what matters it! believe that too.
Omar Khayyám, Rubaiyat

Fucking Hell Chaz...if only you knew.

I don't need to take advice from a brain-damaged maggot.

[attofishpi]

If the people of this religion are asked about the proof for the soundness of their religion, they flare up, get angry and spill the blood of whoever confronts them with this question. They forbid rational speculation, and strive to kill their adversaries. This is why truth became thoroughly silenced and concealed."




Allah, perchance, the secret word might spell;
If Allah be, He keeps His secret well;
 What He hath hidden, who shall hope to find?
Shall God His secret to a maggot tell?
…
The Koran! well, come put me to the test—
Lovely old book in hideous error drest—
 Believe me, I can quote the Koran too,
The unbeliever knows his Koran best.

And do you think that unto such as you,
A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew,
 God gave the secret, and denied it me?—
Well, well, what matters it! believe that too.
Omar Khayyám, Rubaiyat

Fucking Hell Chaz...if only you knew.

I don't need to take advice from a brain-damaged maggot.

Chaz...i have a lot of respect for you...which is why i posted...obviously you have none for me

[marjoramblues]

If the people of this religion are asked about the proof for the soundness of their religion, they flare up, get angry and spill the blood of whoever confronts them with this question. They forbid rational speculation, and strive to kill their adversaries. This is why truth became thoroughly silenced and concealed."


Allah, perchance, the secret word might spell;
If Allah be, He keeps His secret well;
 What He hath hidden, who shall hope to find?
Shall God His secret to a maggot tell?
…
The Koran! well, come put me to the test—
Lovely old book in hideous error drest—
 Believe me, I can quote the Koran too,
The unbeliever knows his Koran best.

And do you think that unto such as you,
A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew,
 God gave the secret, and denied it me?—
Well, well, what matters it! believe that too.
Omar Khayyám, Rubaiyat

Fucking Hell Chaz...if only you knew.

I enjoyed this poem and the quote re the consequences of asking for proof of soundness of religion. It made me think of a rather awkward interview (?PN podcast) where the Christian simply stated that no proof could be given; it was a matter of faith.

I don't understand why the response to this was '...if only you knew' - care to expand ?

[attofishpi]

If the people of this religion are asked about the proof for the soundness of their religion, they flare up, get angry and spill the blood of whoever confronts them with this question. They forbid rational speculation, and strive to kill their adversaries. This is why truth became thoroughly silenced and concealed."


Allah, perchance, the secret word might spell;
If Allah be, He keeps His secret well;
 What He hath hidden, who shall hope to find?
Shall God His secret to a maggot tell?
…
The Koran! well, come put me to the test—
Lovely old book in hideous error drest—
 Believe me, I can quote the Koran too,
The unbeliever knows his Koran best.

And do you think that unto such as you,
A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew,
 God gave the secret, and denied it me?—
Well, well, what matters it! believe that too.
Omar Khayyám, Rubaiyat

Fucking Hell Chaz...if only you knew.

I don't understand why the response to this was '...if only you knew' - care to expand ?

Sure...Chaz is not necessarily more intelligent, but is definitely far more educated than myself....and i respect that...a lot.
The 'if only you knew' stems from that fact that he doesnt know that """god""" exists.

[marjoramblues]

MB: I don't understand why the response to this was '...if only you knew' - care to expand ?

A:Sure...Chaz is not necessarily more intelligent, but is definitely far more educated than myself....and i respect that...a lot.
The 'if only you knew' stems from that fact that he doesnt know that """god""" exists.

MB: Thanks for that. I don't normally get involved in religious discussions because they tend to lead nowhere fast. However, the PN forum has recently seen some brilliant posts dealing with the effects of religious belief in real life situations.

This recent posting by Chaz caught my eye - so intriguing...; but it seems it could now be caught in a quagmire of personal attacks rather than the start of a philo discussion worthy in its own right...

[chaz wyman]

MB: I don't understand why the response to this was '...if only you knew' - care to expand ?

A:Sure...Chaz is not necessarily more intelligent, but is definitely far more educated than myself....and i respect that...a lot.
The 'if only you knew' stems from that fact that he doesnt know that """god""" exists.

MB: Thanks for that. I don't normally get involved in religious discussions because they tend to lead nowhere fast. However, the PN forum has recently seen some brilliant posts dealing with the effects of religious belief in real life situations.

This recent posting by Chaz caught my eye - so intriguing...; but it seems it could now be caught in a quagmire of personal attacks rather than the start of a philo discussion worthy in its own right...

I think what amused me most about atto's posts, and this in particular is that his own particular view of god is wildly idiosyncratic to a point that makes his version of god somewhat unique.

This makes the quote from Omar Khayam extremely apposite. Does he think that Allah (god) gave him the secret and denied it to the rest of the world? There are so few that would align with his own peculiarity that atto represents a microcosm of religious fraction and disagreement all by himself.
Of the major religions that claim to believe in the same god, only one of the many fractions and sects can truly claim to have it right - and there is no doubt that it is very likely that they are also wrong. Atto is on a sect of One. His attack of my post is a priceless jewel of irony.

I did not intend him to take the bait, because the posting was not intended as such. I'd been looking for that quote for a long time, as I comes from a brave skeptic, and it is rare that words of religious dissent have managed to survive at all, let alone from such a long time ago.

[attofishpi]

I think what amused me most about atto's posts, and this in particular is that his own particular view of god is wildly idiosyncratic to a point that makes his version of god somewhat unique.

I agree...my knowledge of God is unique...and my Christian faith is somewhat waning.

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