IC please clarify for us

[Immanuel Can]

Please use the definitions given in encyclopedias.

The definition of which "law"?

I already said that scientists study the laws of nature,

And I already asked "Which law?" to which you had no answer but "the one in the encyclopedia." Unfortunately for that answer, there are multiple definitions, so it wasn't an answer at all.

Which particular "law" do you believe falsifies the Biblical account?

[Gary Childress]

The definition of which "law"?

I already said that scientists study the laws of nature,

And I already asked "Which law?" to which you had no answer but "the one in the encyclopedia." Unfortunately for that answer, there are multiple definitions, so it wasn't an answer at all.

Which particular "law" do you believe falsifies the Biblical account?

Does miraculously creating the universe in 7 days fit with any scientific laws? Did the Big Bang and the billions of years it theoretically took to arrive at the point of human beings being created happen in 7 days? Does the story of the miraculous creation of Adam and Eve fit any laws of biology? Do fully developed human beings currently suddenly appear out of nowhere with no evolutionary trail to explain their appearance? Can a human being be made out of clay? Did Noah visit the Arctic Circle to rescue a male and a female polar bear before the Great Flood happened? Is there enough water on Earth to lower every bit of land, including Mount Ararat, below sea level? Current estimates are that if all the ice on Earth melted, the sea level would rise to cover an additional 10% of the Earth's surface, leaving the remaining 90% or so above sea level. Is the Universe only (roughly) less than 10,000 years old, meaning we would not be able to see anything through a telescope that is more than ~10,000 light-years away from us?

[Immanuel Can]

I already said that scientists study the laws of nature,

And I already asked "Which law?" to which you had no answer but "the one in the encyclopedia." Unfortunately for that answer, there are multiple definitions, so it wasn't an answer at all.

Which particular "law" do you believe falsifies the Biblical account?

Does miraculously creating the universe in 7 days fit with any scientific laws?

"Day," in Scripture, is a term that is used two ways. It can mean "24 hour period," but also "era."

However, once we know there's an all-powerful God in play, what's the problem, either way? He can do anything He chooses.

Does the story of the miraculous creation of Adam and Eve fit any laws of biology? Do fully developed human beings currently suddenly appear out of nowhere with no evolutionary trail to explain their appearance?

Let's see if you can tell the story the other way, the evolutionary way. If you can't, then your story has nothing to offer in contrast.

What was the sequence of events that led to the existence of adult humans? Describe the steps.

Can a human being be made out of clay?

The expression is "the dust of the earth." And yes, that is exactly what the human body is composed of: the same elements one finds all over nature. In other words, "the dust of the earth."

I'm still waiting, though, to see what "law" has been broken.

[Gary Childress]

And I already asked "Which law?" to which you had no answer but "the one in the encyclopedia." Unfortunately for that answer, there are multiple definitions, so it wasn't an answer at all.

Which particular "law" do you believe falsifies the Biblical account?

Does miraculously creating the universe in 7 days fit with any scientific laws?

"Day," in Scripture, is a term that is used two ways. It can mean "24 hour period," but also "era."

However, once we know there's an all-powerful God in play, what's the problem, either way? He can do anything He chooses.

Does the story of the miraculous creation of Adam and Eve fit any laws of biology? Do fully developed human beings currently suddenly appear out of nowhere with no evolutionary trail to explain their appearance?

Let's see if you can tell the story the other way, the evolutionary way. If you can't, then your story has nothing to offer in contrast.

What was the sequence of events that led to the existence of adult humans? Describe the steps.

According to the theory of evolution, life started out as simple organic molecules that eventually evolved over billions of years into human beings. Is there no evidence for that?

[Janoah]

The definition of which "law"?

I already said that scientists study the laws of nature,

Which particular "law" do you believe falsifies the Biblical account?

It's not the law that contradicts, but the story about the talking snake, for example, contradicts natural regularity.
You've already accepted this obviousness and continue pushing at an open door.

[Gary Childress]

And I already asked "Which law?" to which you had no answer but "the one in the encyclopedia." Unfortunately for that answer, there are multiple definitions, so it wasn't an answer at all.

Which particular "law" do you believe falsifies the Biblical account?

Does miraculously creating the universe in 7 days fit with any scientific laws?

"Day," in Scripture, is a term that is used two ways. It can mean "24 hour period," but also "era."

Are you sure it was 7 "eras"? Could it have been 6 or 8? Do we know that the "era" count is accurate?

[Immanuel Can]

Does miraculously creating the universe in 7 days fit with any scientific laws?

"Day," in Scripture, is a term that is used two ways. It can mean "24 hour period," but also "era."

However, once we know there's an all-powerful God in play, what's the problem, either way? He can do anything He chooses.

Does the story of the miraculous creation of Adam and Eve fit any laws of biology? Do fully developed human beings currently suddenly appear out of nowhere with no evolutionary trail to explain their appearance?

Let's see if you can tell the story the other way, the evolutionary way. If you can't, then your story has nothing to offer in contrast.

What was the sequence of events that led to the existence of adult humans? Describe the steps.

According to the theory of evolution, life started out as simple organic molecules that eventually evolved over billions of years into human beings. Is there no evidence for that?

So protozoa, presumably that appeared spontaneously from nowhere, and given time, become human? That's your story?

You will have to forgive my residual skepticism. It seems there's a few links in the chain missing...along with all the evidence.

But let's refine the task. Let's assume the whole story of evolution, right up to modern man. Let's assume there was some quasi-ape creature that existed before the first genuine human (usually, this is pegged as "Neanderthal," but it won't matter which stage we assume). Tell me the story about exactly how the Neanderthals that were ranging around the world produced the first genuine modern human. That should be the easiest story for you to tell, being the very most recent in history, presumably.

Can you do it?

[Immanuel Can]

I already said that scientists study the laws of nature,

Which particular "law" do you believe falsifies the Biblical account?

It's not the law that contradicts...

No. Which scientific or natural "law" does the Biblical account allegedly contradict?

You don't know, do you. You've just been assuming that some unnamed thing called "a law" was favouring your side. But you haven't the foggiest clue what it would be, it seems.

I'll stop asking, now...because it's become quite clear from your non-responsiveness that you had nothing at all in view.

[Immanuel Can]

Does miraculously creating the universe in 7 days fit with any scientific laws?

"Day," in Scripture, is a term that is used two ways. It can mean "24 hour period," but also "era."

Are you sure it was 7 "eras"? Could it have been 6 or 8? Do we know that the "era" count is accurate?

What is the ground of your doubt? Why not 7? Does not the story of evolution suppose different eras? Of course it does.

[Gary Childress]

"Day," in Scripture, is a term that is used two ways. It can mean "24 hour period," but also "era."

However, once we know there's an all-powerful God in play, what's the problem, either way? He can do anything He chooses.

Let's see if you can tell the story the other way, the evolutionary way. If you can't, then your story has nothing to offer in contrast.

What was the sequence of events that led to the existence of adult humans? Describe the steps.

According to the theory of evolution, life started out as simple organic molecules that eventually evolved over billions of years into human beings. Is there no evidence for that?

So protozoa, presumably that appeared spontaneously from nowhere, and given time, become human? That's your story?

You will have to forgive my residual skepticism. It seems there's a few links in the chain missing...along with all the evidence.

But let's refine the task. Let's assume the whole story of evolution, right up to modern man. Let's assume there was some quasi-ape creature that existed before the first genuine human (usually, this is pegged as "Neanderthal," but it won't matter which stage we assume). Tell me the story about exactly how the Neanderthals that were ranging around the world produced the first genuine modern human. That should be the easiest story for you to tell, being the very most recent in history, presumably.

Can you do it?

I've read about evolution I see evidence to believe that it could explain life on Earth. Otherwise, I'm not sure why God would first create single-cell microbes and then multicellular ones after that, all the way up the ladder to eventually include apes, and then, after that, create the first humans using much of the same template. Why doesn't the fossil record show humans coexisting with every other living being? Are we to believe that a sentient being micromanages every birth, every death, every mutation? I mean, believe what you want. You can pal up with Jonoah and believe that God is pro-Israeli and anti-Palestinian.

[Gary Childress]

"Day," in Scripture, is a term that is used two ways. It can mean "24 hour period," but also "era."

Are you sure it was 7 "eras"? Could it have been 6 or 8? Do we know that the "era" count is accurate?

What is the ground of your doubt? Why not 7? Does not the story of evolution suppose different eras? Of course it does.

Well, seeing how the Bible contains other inaccuracies, why should I think a mortal human being from ~4000 years ago would know how many billions of years the Earth had been around before him?

[Immanuel Can]

According to the theory of evolution, life started out as simple organic molecules that eventually evolved over billions of years into human beings. Is there no evidence for that?

So protozoa, presumably that appeared spontaneously from nowhere, and given time, become human? That's your story?

You will have to forgive my residual skepticism. It seems there's a few links in the chain missing...along with all the evidence.

But let's refine the task. Let's assume the whole story of evolution, right up to modern man. Let's assume there was some quasi-ape creature that existed before the first genuine human (usually, this is pegged as "Neanderthal," but it won't matter which stage we assume). Tell me the story about exactly how the Neanderthals that were ranging around the world produced the first genuine modern human. That should be the easiest story for you to tell, being the very most recent in history, presumably.

Can you do it?

I've read about...

Just answer the question, Gary. Or say, "I can't."

[Immanuel Can]

Are you sure it was 7 "eras"? Could it have been 6 or 8? Do we know that the "era" count is accurate?

What is the ground of your doubt? Why not 7? Does not the story of evolution suppose different eras? Of course it does.

Well, seeing how the Bible contains other inaccuracies, why should I think a mortal human being from ~4000 years ago would know how many billions of years the Earth had been around before him?

A mortal being? Of course you shouldn't. How about the Immortal One?

[Gary Childress]

So protozoa, presumably that appeared spontaneously from nowhere, and given time, become human? That's your story?

You will have to forgive my residual skepticism. It seems there's a few links in the chain missing...along with all the evidence.

But let's refine the task. Let's assume the whole story of evolution, right up to modern man. Let's assume there was some quasi-ape creature that existed before the first genuine human (usually, this is pegged as "Neanderthal," but it won't matter which stage we assume). Tell me the story about exactly how the Neanderthals that were ranging around the world produced the first genuine modern human. That should be the easiest story for you to tell, being the very most recent in history, presumably.

Can you do it?

I've read about...

Just answer the question, Gary. Or say, "I can't."

Yeah, let me go get my doctorate in evolutionary biology first. Then I'll tell you.

[Gary Childress]

What is the ground of your doubt? Why not 7? Does not the story of evolution suppose different eras? Of course it does.

Well, seeing how the Bible contains other inaccuracies, why should I think a mortal human being from ~4000 years ago would know how many billions of years the Earth had been around before him?

A mortal being? Of course you shouldn't. How about the Immortal One?

So, if I shouldn't trust a mortal being's statement from ~4000 years ago that the universe is 7 "days" old plus whatever amount of time after Adam and Eve left Eden, should I trust that same human to tell me that there is a God, who is anything like the one portrayed in the Bible?