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Age wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:49 pm LOL

Here is a PRIME EXAMPLE of just how "SURE" the adult human being was in their OWN made up ASSUMPTIONS and BELIEFS, back in the days when this was being written.

This one is so "SURE" of itself that it ACTUALLY BELIEVES that it KNEW MORE of what is being thought within another head than the ACTUAL one, in that head.

These human beings were SO BLINDED by their OWN BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS that they could NOT even RECOGNIZE just how STUPID and ABSURD some of their CLAIMS REALLY WERE.

If you really knew what you are doing, you wouldn't try to send messages like this to the future.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:52 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:49 pm LOL

Here is a PRIME EXAMPLE of just how "SURE" the adult human being was in their OWN made up ASSUMPTIONS and BELIEFS, back in the days when this was being written.

This one is so "SURE" of itself that it ACTUALLY BELIEVES that it KNEW MORE of what is being thought within another head than the ACTUAL one, in that head.

These human beings were SO BLINDED by their OWN BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS that they could NOT even RECOGNIZE just how STUPID and ABSURD some of their CLAIMS REALLY WERE.

If you really knew what you are doing, you wouldn't try to send messages like this to the future.

But I have NOT 'tried'. I HAVE ACHIEVED ALREADY.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:56 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:52 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:49 pm LOL

Here is a PRIME EXAMPLE of just how "SURE" the adult human being was in their OWN made up ASSUMPTIONS and BELIEFS, back in the days when this was being written.

This one is so "SURE" of itself that it ACTUALLY BELIEVES that it KNEW MORE of what is being thought within another head than the ACTUAL one, in that head.

These human beings were SO BLINDED by their OWN BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS that they could NOT even RECOGNIZE just how STUPID and ABSURD some of their CLAIMS REALLY WERE.

If you really knew what you are doing, you wouldn't try to send messages like this to the future.

But I have NOT 'tried'. I HAVE ACHIEVED ALREADY.

That's your biggest lie so far.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 8:49 pmBut 'it' is NOT ACTUAL 'evidence' that the sun revolves around the earth.

Yes it is. Here's where you are going wrong:

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 8:49 pmThat 'it' is 'evidence' that the sun revolves around the earth is just an INTERPRETATION.

You're interpreting the wrong thing. While most of us are content to interpret the evidence, you feel compelled to interpret the language. The apparent motion of the sun supports the claim that the sun orbits the Earth. It also supports the claim that earth rotates beneath the sun. Your interpretation of evidence is that it only supports a claim if that claim is true. You won't get any better at communicating with us human beings until you use words the way we do.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 8:49 pm

uwot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 4:06 pm The only thing that one piece of evidence proves is that there is evidence - Cogito ergo sum. At any moment, the only thing that is guaranteed is the experience present at that moment. You cannot prove anything, Melissa.

So, that there are 'thoughts' existing can NOT be PROVEN "uwot"?

Cogito ergo sum means I think therefore I am. A being who has been around long enough to have inspired the ones you "used who wrote the bible" would know that, Melissa. René Descartes used 'think' to cover all types of experience: seeing, hearing, in fact any sensory or cerebral phenomenon that is evidence of his existence.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:57 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:56 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:52 pm
If you really knew what you are doing, you wouldn't try to send messages like this to the future.

But I have NOT 'tried'. I HAVE ACHIEVED ALREADY.

That's your biggest lie so far.

Are you under some sort of ILLUSION, or have some sort of PRESUMPTION, that things become KNOWN by EVERY one ALL at the EXACT SAME time or moment?

If you are, then all one has to do is to LOOK AT how long it took 'you', human beings, to become AWARE OF, or LEARN and KNOW that the sun REALLY does NOT revolve around the earth.

In case you are STILL UNAWARE the KNOWING starts with just one, and then progresses on from there.

Then, depending on how CLOSED or OPEN the rest are influences how LONG they take to become AWARE and KNOW, ALSO.

The messages that 'I am sending', as you so laughably put it, have been SENT, and, contrary to your BELIEF, have been RECEIVED by SOME, ALREADY.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:50 am RECEIVED by SOME, ALREADY.

Who?

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:50 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:57 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:56 pm

But I have NOT 'tried'. I HAVE ACHIEVED ALREADY.

That's your biggest lie so far.

Are you under some sort of ILLUSION, or have some sort of PRESUMPTION, that things become KNOWN by EVERY one ALL at the EXACT SAME time or moment?

If you are, then all one has to do is to LOOK AT how long it took 'you', human beings, to become AWARE OF, or LEARN and KNOW that the sun REALLY does NOT revolve around the earth.

In case you are STILL UNAWARE the KNOWING starts with just one, and then progresses on from there.

Then, depending on how CLOSED or OPEN the rest are influences how LONG they take to become AWARE and KNOW, ALSO.

The messages that 'I am sending', as you so laughably put it, have been SENT, and, contrary to your BELIEF, have been RECEIVED by SOME, ALREADY.

Lie - you don't know the future.

uwot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:13 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 8:49 pmBut 'it' is NOT ACTUAL 'evidence' that the sun revolves around the earth.

Yes it is. Here's where you are going wrong:

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 8:49 pmThat 'it' is 'evidence' that the sun revolves around the earth is just an INTERPRETATION.

You're interpreting the wrong thing.

Are you ABSOLUTELY and thus IRREFUTABLY SURE?

While most of us are content to interpret the evidence, you feel compelled to interpret the language.[/quote]

Here you go AGAIN INSISTING that 'it' is 'evidence'.

There can NEVER be ACTUAL 'evidence' for 'that', which does NOT exist.

HOW and WHY is this so hard for you to COMPREHEND and UNDERSTAND?

uwot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:13 am The apparent motion of the sun supports the claim that the sun orbits the Earth.

What do you mean by 'apparent motion'?

Does the sun move or not?

Also, what you are 'trying to' CLAIM here would be like 'trying to' CLAIM that observing a human being walking on the earth supports the claim that the earth spins because of human beings motion.

There is NO use CLAIMING things that are OBVIOUSLY False or Wrong or have ALREADY been REFUTED and so have ALREADY been PROVEN or SHOWN to be False or Wrong.

Furthermore, and you do NOT YET seem to be ABLE TO comprehend and accept the Fact that there can NOT, ACTUALLY, be 'evidence' for 'that' which does NOT even exist.

Some people might INTERPRET some 'things' as being so-called 'evidence' for something else but if the 'something else' does NOT even exist, then there, LOGICALLY, could NEVER be ANY ACTUAL 'evidence' for "it", OBVIOUSLY.

uwot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:13 amIt also supports the claim that earth rotates beneath the sun.

What is with all of this CLAIMING things BEFORE you even have the ACTUAL PROOF. This sort of ASSUMING, THEORIZING, HYPOTHESISING, or just plain old GUESSING, BEFORE CLARITY IS OBTAINED is WHY ,'you', human beings, have been SO SLOW in LEARNING and DISCOVERING what IS ACTUALLY and IRREFUTABLY True.

ASSUMING things, and then to go LOOKING FOR 'evidence' for it, is WHY you "find" what you do. This way of working and doing things is just CONFIRMATION BIASING AT WORK.

uwot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:13 amYour interpretation of evidence is that it only supports a claim if that claim is true.

Although PARTLY correct you have TWISTED this around ALSO.

And INSTEAD of CLARIFYING WITH me what I ACTUALLY SAID and MEANT you have just SHOWN, AGAIN, just how QUICKLY you make an INTERPRETATION, and then RELY on your OWN INTERPRETATION ONLY. So, AGAIN, you are SHOWING, with ACTUAL 'evidence' AND 'proof' what I have been SAYING here all along.

uwot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:13 amYou won't get any better at communicating with us human beings until you use words the way we do.

But it is exactly because of the way 'you', human beings, use words, the way 'you' DO, WHY 'you' are STILL SO CONFUSED, and STILL SEARCHING FOR ANSWERS, even after thousands of years, hitherto when this was being written.

uwot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:13 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 8:49 pm

uwot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 4:06 pm The only thing that one piece of evidence proves is that there is evidence - Cogito ergo sum. At any moment, the only thing that is guaranteed is the experience present at that moment. You cannot prove anything, Melissa.

So, that there are 'thoughts' existing can NOT be PROVEN "uwot"?

Cogito ergo sum means I think therefore I am. A being who has been around long enough to have inspired the ones you "used who wrote the bible" would know that, Melissa.

Could you REALLY NOT SEE YOUR CONTRADICTION HERE?

uwot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:13 amRené Descartes used 'think' to cover all types of experience: seeing, hearing, in fact any sensory or cerebral phenomenon that is evidence of his existence.

SO WHAT?

MANY of 'you' have USED MANY WORDS in MANY various ways. This one is NO different.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:57 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:56 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:52 pm
If you really knew what you are doing, you wouldn't try to send messages like this to the future.

But I have NOT 'tried'. I HAVE ACHIEVED ALREADY.

That's your biggest lie so far.

If you SAY and BELIEVE SO, then 'it' MUST BE SO,correct "atla"?

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 9:45 am

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:50 am RECEIVED by SOME, ALREADY.

Who?

Those who HAVE SEEN and HAVE HEARD.

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:16 am

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:50 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:57 pm
That's your biggest lie so far.

Are you under some sort of ILLUSION, or have some sort of PRESUMPTION, that things become KNOWN by EVERY one ALL at the EXACT SAME time or moment?

If you are, then all one has to do is to LOOK AT how long it took 'you', human beings, to become AWARE OF, or LEARN and KNOW that the sun REALLY does NOT revolve around the earth.

In case you are STILL UNAWARE the KNOWING starts with just one, and then progresses on from there.

Then, depending on how CLOSED or OPEN the rest are influences how LONG they take to become AWARE and KNOW, ALSO.

The messages that 'I am sending', as you so laughably put it, have been SENT, and, contrary to your BELIEF, have been RECEIVED by SOME, ALREADY.

Lie - you don't know the future.

If only you KNEW. If only you KNEW "atla".

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:01 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:16 am

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:50 am

Are you under some sort of ILLUSION, or have some sort of PRESUMPTION, that things become KNOWN by EVERY one ALL at the EXACT SAME time or moment?

If you are, then all one has to do is to LOOK AT how long it took 'you', human beings, to become AWARE OF, or LEARN and KNOW that the sun REALLY does NOT revolve around the earth.

In case you are STILL UNAWARE the KNOWING starts with just one, and then progresses on from there.

Then, depending on how CLOSED or OPEN the rest are influences how LONG they take to become AWARE and KNOW, ALSO.

The messages that 'I am sending', as you so laughably put it, have been SENT, and, contrary to your BELIEF, have been RECEIVED by SOME, ALREADY.

Lie - you don't know the future.

If only you KNEW. If only you KNEW "atla".

I know that no human has demonstrably known the future, they were liars.

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:26 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:01 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:16 am
Lie - you don't know the future.

If only you KNEW. If only you KNEW "atla".

I know that no human has demonstrably known the future, they were liars.

Okay. If that is what you know "atla", then that is what you know, correct?

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:40 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:26 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:01 pm

If only you KNEW. If only you KNEW "atla".

I know that no human has demonstrably known the future, they were liars.

Okay. If that is what you know "atla", then that is what you know, correct?

Don't lie, this isn't about me, it's the consensus knowledge. Show us people who have foretold the future beyond reasonable doubt.

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:06 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:40 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:26 pm
I know that no human has demonstrably known the future, they were liars.

Okay. If that is what you know "atla", then that is what you know, correct?

Don't lie,

I say, and ask:
Okay. If that is what you know "atla", then that is what you know, correct?

Your respond;
Don't lie.

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:06 pm this isn't about me, it's the consensus knowledge.

What is NOT about you, and, what is the so-called 'consensus knowledge'?

And, who and how many are in that 'consensus'?

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:06 pmShow us people who have foretold the future beyond reasonable doubt.

What are you going on about now?

Have you EVER STOPPED to QUESTION whether it might just be better to CLARIFY what another is ACTUALLY SAYING and MEANING, BEFORE you go off on your OWN tangent or perception?