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Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:18 pm I am trying to understand what it's like to be unable to have ideas based upon history. Your understanding of Leviticus is not like my understanding of Leviticus.

You seem to believe that statues have the powers of intelligent beings, and can be evil like intelligent beings can be evil. But to me a statue is a metal or stone shape which has no meaning until someone thinks it means something.
In these olden days when the ancient people formulated their laws it was important the people all obeyed the same set of rules, so Leviticus is a list of the rules that the ancient Jewish tribe had to follow. Quite right too , as peoples all need the same laws to work peacefully together. But , Averroes, you are not an ancient Jew. There are modern laws more suited to modern people who don't believe statues are intelligent beings.
It is a pity there is no Muslim on these discussions who is a modern free man. You are right, there are important aspects of Islam I like, especially the command against idolatry. Your idea of what idolatry is all about seems to me to be superficial and infantile.
I hope you will keep within the proper law of the US or wherever you live, and remember Allah is god of mercy and peace.

I understand you now Belinda. You have grown attached to these statues. Indeed, we are different because for me the commands of God, the Almighty are more important than these filthy statues that He strictly forbade us to have. Moreover, biblical Jesus was following the Law of Moses, and many Christian consider the Law of Moses to be very important for them to implement in their lives. For example people like Christian Pastor Gino Jennings and his congregation: https://youtu.be/5-o88dE0AJ0?t=490

Of course, you can disagree with their choice and you have the right to chose the lifestyle of pagans. You then are not much unlike stupid Veritas. And that makes sense why you are so upset like him about me breaking my own statues. Whereas, in total contrast attofishpi stated clearly that he couldn't care less and he went on living happily his life. And for the many other intelligent Christians as well who understand standard English, the scriptures are clear:

• And God spoke all these words:
  2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
  3 “You shall have no other gods before me.
  4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.[Exodus 20:1-6]

• 26 “‘Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the Lord your God. [Leviticus 26:1]

Anyway, thank you for the exchange.

You don't know God AT ALL you moron - from actually KNOWING God since 1997 - you would know he doesn't give a shit about being worshipped - it was all a TEST-amen-T to see whether you are a SHEEP or an ACTUAL MAN that can think for himself and TEST God back against great advice.

I did.
...and...heaven is fantastic!

You seemed to be angry attofishpi, may be you are having a bad day.
I was reminding the forum of the fact that you gave me your consent to destroy the statues that I wanted and you couldn't care less. For example you said:

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:09 pm Go ahead break all the plastic, cement, wood figurines you feel compelled is an ABOMINATION.

Thank you for giving me your green light to continue encouraging people to destroy these abominations. I hope you haven't changed your mind! Have a nice day.

Averroes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:52 am You seemed to be angry attofishpi, may be you are having a bad day.
I was reminding the forum of the fact that you gave me your consent to destroy the statues that I wanted and you couldn't care less. For example you said:

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:09 pm Go ahead break all the plastic, cement, wood figurines you feel compelled is an ABOMINATION.

Thank you for giving me your green light to continue encouraging people to destroy these abominations. Have a nice day.

Yes, stupid sheep that were supposed to THINK like MEN don't deserve to be part of Gods creation, they make me angry.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:59 am

Averroes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:52 am You seemed to be angry attofishpi, may be you are having a bad day.
I was reminding the forum of the fact that you gave me your consent to destroy the statues that I wanted and you couldn't care less. For example you said:

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:09 pm Go ahead break all the plastic, cement, wood figurines you feel compelled is an ABOMINATION.

Thank you for giving me your green light to continue encouraging people to destroy these abominations. Have a nice day.

Yes, stupid sheep that were supposed to THINK like MEN don't deserve to be part of Gods creation, they make me angry.

Relax attofishpi, take it easy man. Anger is not good for your heart: https://www.everydayhealth.com/news/way ... ur-health/

Averroes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:04 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:59 am

Averroes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:52 am You seemed to be angry attofishpi, may be you are having a bad day.
I was reminding the forum of the fact that you gave me your consent to destroy the statues that I wanted and you couldn't care less. For example you said:



Thank you for giving me your green light to continue encouraging people to destroy these abominations. Have a nice day.

Yes, stupid sheep that were supposed to THINK like MEN don't deserve to be part of Gods creation, they make me angry.

Relax attofishpi, take it easy man. Anger is not good for your heart.

Hey, I am the happiest bloke in Orion Spur right now, as I said, God has me in actual heaven, and IT has just deposited another big wad of cash into my bank account. I do what I want (art).

But do think of me next time you are bowing down to the arsehole in front of you in your Mosque of sheep.

Averroes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:32 am I understand you now Belinda. You have grown attached to these statues.
Indeed, we are different because for me the commands of God, the Almighty are more important than these filthy statues that He strictly forbade us to have.

So what [the idols] Belinda have grown attached to are filthy stuffs. Belinda is just like pagans and all others who have inclinations for idols of whatever forms are filthy?

Your condemnation of statues as filthy exposed the very terrible negative emotions of hate and anger within you. It is not easy for a Muslim to get rid of such hatred and anger once they are triggered. Note 'anger' is not good for your health.
If you have don't use for those idols you should have donated them to a church and those who cannot afford such statues.

All your condemnation of idols is purely driven by your selfish reason for salvation to avoid eternal hell, thus you have to obey the commands of your false God which has no empathy and compassion for humanity at all if they are not Muslims as slaves to Allah.

When you are so dogmatic and emotionally entangled with commands of your false God, you will be a potential to obey and commit the commands of committing evil upon non-Muslims, i.e. harm or kill non-Muslims to prove you are good or better than average Muslim in the eyes of the all-knowing Allah.

Btw, you have been running away from the question of Islam hypocrisy of commanding Muslims to pray to idols, i.e. the Kaaba, the Mosque, Arabic Calligraphy.
Besides Muslims themselves are idolizing the physical Quran and the idea of Muhammad in their head.
When are you going to answer Seed's question re destroying the Kaaba which is literally an idol.

Idol = an image or representation of a god used as an object of worship.

Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:45 am BUT, Veritas, note well I did NOT say Muhammad is the central figure. I don't usually shout but this is not the first time you have put words into my mouth and I will not have it!

Allah is indeed great but the Muhammad of superstition is not his only prophet. Prophets are men not gods, let alone ghost-writers of 'God's own books'.

The circumstances of life for most people in the near East and Europe at the time of Muhammad were that the tribe was the focus of loyalty. Heroic literature of those times bears this out. Muhammad was a talented man of his timewho unified the disparate Arabian tribes making a larger unit.

The instruction not to make images of Muhammad is basically a good idea, as images anchor the character to time and place whereas Islamic scholars wanted Muhammad's text to inspire Muslims for all time. The stricture has backfired because most Muslims again, and this time in the case of pics of Muhammad, mistake the image for the idea.

Averroes did not say if his statues that he destroyed were religious images of holy personalities. Whether they were or whether they were garden gnomes they were representations. Averroes seems unable to separate a representation from what it represents; and that is what typifies superstition.

I know you definitely understand Allah [the God] is more powerful than Muhammad [the messenger], so Allah is ultimately 'central' within Islam.
Thus my earlier point re "central figure" was in a different sense as below;

Whilst I would always refer back to the words of Allah in the Quran, you more often mentioned Muhammad as great with this and that.

Muhammad was a talented man of his time who unified the disparate Arabian tribes making a larger unit.

Whatever 'talent' Muhammad had in getting together different tribes, the consequences are evidently evil. Note what happened when individual grasshoppers get together they swarmed as locusts and wreck havoc wherever they surge to. This is it the same consequences when Muhammad united different tribes [turned them into locusts] with a promise of loots, eternal life and virgins in paradise.

The anger against images of Muhammad is not to deter Muslims from reminiscing their good ancient days but it is because Allah is a very jealous God and do not want anyone to share attention. Thus Allah issued commands in the Quran that Muslims must only focus their attention to Allah and as very submissive slaves to Allah.

When SOME [the evil prone] Muslims commit terrible evil and violence upon non-Muslims they are not obeying Muhammad the messenger but are obeying the commands of Allah in the Quran. In addition they view Muhammad as an exemplar of Allah's words.

Veritas Aequitas, casting aspersions on Allah is hardly going to get Muslims on side! Allah , same as God, is eternal and is not an invention of the Koran or The Bible.

Muslims, and anyone else, who tries to contain Allah within some man-made ideology, is tribal and divisive. And that is what ISIS does, ISIS tries to keep Allah for its own divisive purpose. BTW Jehovah's Witnesses try to keep God solely for Jehovah's Witness colleagues; same sort of tricksters who do their own sort of damage.

As for Averroes, he is like other badly- taught religionists who fixate on trivia and are unable to understand or appreciate what a myth is.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:32 am Hey, I am the happiest bloke in Orion Spur right now

I am glad you are fine now. Try to stay away from anger attofishpi because anger will ruin your physical and mental well-being.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:32 am But do think of me next time you are bowing down

In Islam, I pray like Jesus prayed in the Bible, ie  we fall down on our face in prostration to God, the Almighty. Some Jews and Christians still pray like that today, check the following video to see: https://youtu.be/wqwkGnMSJAI

In the Bible it is reported in the Gospel of Matthew that Jesus prayed like Muslims pray today.

• 36 Then Jesus went with his disciples to a place called Gethsemane, and he said to them, “Sit here while I go over there and pray.” 37 He took Peter and the two sons of Zebedee along with him, and he began to be sorrowful and troubled. 38 Then he said to them, “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me.”
  39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”[Mathew 26:36-39]

You asked me attofishpi to think of you in my prayers. Of course I can think of you in my prayers. And I am going to do it right now.

Prayer for attofishpi:

• O Allah, You are the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth and You created man. O Allah, attofishpi asked me to think of him in my prayers. O Allah, guide attofishpi to the staight path that is pleasing to You so that he may thank You for all the blessings You have bestowed on him. Ameen.

Nice talking to you attofishpi. Don't forget to relax and take it easy. Anger is bad for all of us. Thank you for the exchange.

God once said to me - "the problem with you is, you know too much" (of course HE was wrong)

The ENGLISH language is the common protocol for communication around the world - GOD has embedded lots of lovely homophones in it (among much much more..)

I don't buy_bull - I don't just accept what is written in the 'bible' - I analyse and quest_ion EVERYTHING.

We have souls
We walk on our soles everyday
Indeed arseholes are everywhere

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I dont intend to offend, just trying to direct you away from that big black hole in front of you, and back to where MEN think for themselves because they respect the intelligence that GOD blessed them with - you manage to think away from that big black box, maybe we will make a sage out of you, worthy of gnosis.

Tell your 'brothers' - those that kill in the name of GOD - their souls convert to the BEAST 666, not a nice way to spend the rest of eternity - continually reincarnating as an animal.

I made this picture especially for you.
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attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:52 pm I made this picture especially for you.

Thank you. That's indeed how Muslims, and also many Jews and Christians around the world pray. Asshole, soles, feet, hands and all that are part of the human body. You shouldn't have a complex for having an asshole, for if you didn't have an asshole, you would be full of shit. Don't you agree?

I have a couple of videos too especially for you to show you that many Jews and Christians nowadays pray in the same way that Muslims pray today all around the world. Lots of hands, soles, feet and assholes here too.

Jews praying in congregation: https://youtu.be/Vis_As-vpAA
Christians praying in congregation: https://youtu.be/m_kiEMIaVsM

There are lots of photos of Jews and Christians praying like Muslims on the net. If you are interested in these too I can post some of them here too. Are you interested?

And for those who believe in the Bible, according to the Gospel of Matthew, biblical Jesus too prayed like the Muslims pray today.

• 36 Then Jesus went with his disciples to a place called Gethsemane, and he said to them, “Sit here while I go over there and pray.” 37 He took Peter and the two sons of Zebedee along with him, and he began to be sorrowful and troubled. 38 Then he said to them, “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me.”
  39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”[Mathew 26:36-39]

This was a very interesting sharing of perspective. Thank you for the exchange attofishpi.

Averroes wrote:Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”[Mathew 26:36-39]

...for those who believe in the Bible, according to the Gospel of Matthew, biblical Jesus too prayed like the Muslims pray today.

...oh my GOD!

Are you telling me that Christ begged on the floor ONCE in the buy_bull!

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:00 pm

Averroes wrote:Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”[Mathew 26:36-39]

...for those who believe in the Bible, according to the Gospel of Matthew, biblical Jesus too prayed like the Muslims pray today.

...oh my GOD!

Are you telling me that Christ begged on the floor ONCE in the buy_bull!

That's how Jews prayed in the time of Jesus and today many Jews and Christians still pray like that. Didn't you know about that? It's common knowledge though.

Averroes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:21 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:00 pm

Averroes wrote:Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”[Mathew 26:36-39]

...for those who believe in the Bible, according to the Gospel of Matthew, biblical Jesus too prayed like the Muslims pray today.

...oh my GOD!

Are you telling me that Christ begged on the floor ONCE in the buy_bull!

That's how Jews prayed in the time of Jesus and today many Jews and Christians still pray like that. Didn't you know about that? It's common knowledge though.

What is your point? btw - I have NEVER seen a Christian begging on the floor for GOD to do something for them.