Proof that God IS ..in 6 words.

[Dontaskme]

I just do not use the word God as an explanation for anything because as an atheist I do not believe in him
Maybe he does exist but unless my senses or mind can actually justify this I cannot accept it on faith alone

And yet you are accepting you exist on faith alone, the self that you believe to exist, belief is faith.
You do not use the word God but you are happy to use the word Atheist?

Surreptitious57 ..you are SOURCE ...when source names itself, be it an atheist or whatever, it's still SOURCE, there is nothing outside of SOURCE.

SOURCE doesn't have a name but goes by every other name...within the conceptual realm of duality, the realm of experiencing.

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''Georg Kuhlwind in Stages of Consciousness.
"I am not body, but one who thinks this identity; I am not the mirror image, but the one who sees it."

"The I is invisible in the higher sense. It cannot be seen; it is nothing that has been seen, because it is the seeing. Only the I itself can see.''

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[Dontaskme]

Being an observer involves a sense of detachment which for me is a good thing as it cancels the need for ego
I do not want to be dogmatic about what I think reality is as I could be wrong and so I just observe it instead

I understand what you've said on a human level dualistically speaking, but there is an even higher level of you.

You don't be an observer, you ARE the observer.

What you think reality is will never be what thought thinks it is, except as fictional story.

So there is no you to oberver it anyway. Dogma is of the mind, its a fictional story. You are the observer, not the story.

The observer is neither wrong or right, it simply looks on in detachment, wrongs and rights are of the dual mind of fiction.

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[surreptitious57]

The reason why I think I exist is because the manifestation that is me is real to me
And even if it is an illusion it is one so convincing that I do not know it is an illusion
I can only experience through this illusion so it makes no real difference either way

[surreptitious57]

My journey will not stop before death and so I shall hopefully become more enlightened and detached over time
I do not force any thought about what is or is not where I do not know the answer but simply listen and let it be

[Dontaskme]

The reason why I think I exist is because the manifestation that is me is real to me
And even if it is an illusion it is one so convincing that I do not know it is an illusion
I can only experience through this illusion so it makes no real difference either way

Yes, in a sense this is true. Oneness (non-physical) cannot experience without other, other being body (physical)

But the two are ONE, not two.

The body is not even physical, the physical is a just known concept known by the One ( non-physical) the unknown knowing.

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[Dontaskme]

My journey will not stop before death and so I shall hopefully become more enlightened and detached over time
I do not force any thought about what is or is not where I do not know the answer but simply listen and let it be

The journey that is the ''human experience'' is just a minucule experience within a multitude that is possible within the field of infinite possiblity.

You raised some very interesting points here...>

ONENESS is the totality of all that exists and has ever existed and will ever exist as well
And to be as detached as is humanly possibly is the best way that it can be experienced

There is individual oneness we all subjectively experience but there is only one ONENESS
Our collective subjective experiences and everything that exists are part of the ONENESS

So what is it that you think dies? ..in the dualistic sense,only that which is born can die...so what is it that you think is born?...If ONENESS is the totality of all that exists, which it is.

Can the totality be born, can it die?


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[Dontaskme]

The reason why I think I exist is because the manifestation that is me is real to me
And even if it is an illusion it is one so convincing that I do not know it is an illusion
I can only experience through this illusion so it makes no real difference either way

Yes, in a sense this is true. Oneness (non-physical) cannot experience without other, other being body (physical)

But the two are ONE, not two.

The body is not even physical, the physical is a just known concept known by the One ( non-physical) the unknown knowing.

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There is nothing solid in reality. Solidity is an illusion, its all space and the contents of space being one and the same space.

Just Different concepts for the SAME idea.

Its all God and the contents of God being one and the same God.

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God is not a man, a man is God..we can play with concepts all day long ...the play will still sum to the same thing which is not-a-thing.


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[Dontaskme]

I do not force any thought about what is or is not where I do not know the answer but simply listen and let it be

There is no thing to force a thought.
The knower of a thought is consciousness which arises in the exact same moment as the thought, and knows each and every thought in the instant it arises.

Thoughts arise spontaneously, or, they are triggered by every preceding thought that came before.

No force on earth can force a thought to happen.
Forcing a thought is of past tense (of memory) which is an illusion appearing NOW the only real place.

So yes, listening to thoughts come and go is the only true reality, not the thoughts.

You do actually have all the answers, because an answer can only arise in the presence of a questioner, insofar as there is the demand to know something. In the realm of KNOWLEDGE/DUALITY...You are only refering to the ONE who wants to know...so who is that?...Is it not YOU?

That which is not-known will become known eventually...relatively and dualistically speaking. But that which is unknowable can never be known.

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[Walker]

No force on earth can force a thought to happen.

Elephant!

Did you think of an elephant?

[Dontaskme]

No force on earth can force a thought to happen.

Elephant!

Did you think of an elephant?

The thinker is the thought. The thought is the thinker. In the same instant.

''thought'' is a movement within stillness. The changing within unchanging.

[Walker]

No force on earth can force a thought to happen.

Elephant!

Did you think of an elephant?

The thinker is the thought. The thought is the thinker. In the same instant.

''thought'' is a movement within stillness. The changing within unchanging.

Did reading "elephant," make thought happen?

[Dontaskme]

Elephant!

Did you think of an elephant?

The thinker is the thought. The thought is the thinker. In the same instant.

''thought'' is a movement within stillness. The changing within unchanging.

Did reading "elephant," make thought happen?

Thoughts are triggered by preceding thoughts, or they are triggered visually via attention on something else, or they appear spontaneously without warning.

The point was, I cannot consciously choose a particular thought until I already know what the thought is going to be. In other words, I do not know my next thought, but I can if I already know it prior to it appearing.

I cannot force myself to have happy or sad, good or bad thoughts.

S57 said >

I do not force any thought about what is or is not where I do not know the answer

You wouldn't be able to do that anyway, you can only think of a thought you already know.


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[Walker]

No thought, no thinker, just you?

[Dontaskme]

No thought, no thinker, just you?

Even you..where is you happening, where is you actually located?

You is happening, but where is it, where is you happening?

What is making you happen?

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Reality is totally non-physical.

The materialists are stuck in their own self believed religious paradigm ...that they accuse the metaphysicalists of doing.

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[Walker]

I cannot force myself to have happy or sad, good or bad thoughts.

Forcing marries conflict to inner violence.