Philosophy Now Forum

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:27 pm

Greta wrote: ↑Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:23 pm

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:10 pm

Oh, that's what he's after.

Trump is a destructive stooge in this scheme, just focused on self-aggrandisement and increasing his family's wealth and power. The hard core Republican evangelists, on the other hand, truly do want the planet scoured of secularists, Muslims and nature ("corrupted nature" as I've read them refer to it).

Thus the Chosen Ones can live undisturbed atop one another in towers that reach to the clouds in vast cities of concrete and steel. They won't need nature because they will have God's blessing for all eternity.

All politicians should be questioned before running for office, and any who wish for the Apocalypse should be disbarred from holding positions of power because their aim will essentially be sabotage.

Trust me when I say that Putin is Dumbald's handler. Dollars to doughnuts.

don't listen to the Deep State-ist

Comrade Putin is good strong leader, and Dear Leader Cheeto Bennito is his right hand!!!!!! God's servants!

just say no to Lymies, Krauts, Beaners and Frogs!!!! servents of the Devil!

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:11 am Well, I retract my apology then. Hrumph!

Btw, didn't you mean to say 'Aryan male'? C'mon Nick, I know you wanted to....

nice one, i like it.

I'm an Aryan BTW - lol.

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:11 am Well, I retract my apology then. Hrumph!

Btw, didn't you mean to say 'Aryan male'? C'mon Nick, I know you wanted to....

nice one, i like it.

I'm an Aryan BTW - lol.

scratch that, Irish ancestry don't count, we are just filthy micks

Greta wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:29 am I think most readers here will appreciate that the intelligentisia are always the first targets of fascism, such as the anti-intellectual, anti-science fascism that Nick promotes.

I note he was too busy foaming at the mouth above to deny his obvious conformism. There is not a single opinion he holds that differs from that of the Republican Party. Just another Fox News drone, and he talks about conformism.

It is clear that he and other evangelists will always approve of Comrade Trump, no matter how base and corrupt his transgressions. What they love about Trump is he brings the Apocalypse closer, and that is what they hunger for most of all. I think evangelists increasingly need to be called out for their sick desires, especially those in power.

thankfully that Republican - now Trumpian - Party is 3/4 the size it was 2 yrs ago.

i feel for the 1/4 former Republicans - now withut a party - I ask any of them here to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE vote Democratic this Nov (our Republic's survival depends upon this - even if you have never voted Dem before - PLEASE PLEASE do so just this one time!).

for the America you and I love.

then in 2024 you can retake your Party and I'll support you.

I've voted 90-percent of the time Dem, but have always respected your Party prior to the last 10 yrs so, a valid oppostiion party that affirms the Rule of Law shall always garner my respect.

that leaves out the treasonous Fascist Russublican Party we have now

Dubious

It's your use of those ideas I find disgusting, despicable and reprehensible since you fraudulently interpret only in accordance with your own debased theories of enlightenment. You're a mountebank, a bamboozler of the worst kind presumptuously claiming what is not within your ability or right to claim. One has to be a bloody idiot not to recognize something so obvious as your decrepit methodology by which you labor to enhance yourself.

Sheesh! You're getting as bad as Greta. You make accusations without any examples. I quote Plato and discuss his ideas. Apparently for you there is only one PC way to do it. Everything else warrants complaining and condemnation.

My gut feeling is that you've been hurt by naive conceptions of good and bad. But how can good and bad exist in world lacking consciousness and governed by laws? Let it go.You seem to seek self justification but the great ideas instead enable a person to feel their nothingness in the face of the potential for human being. How many in this day and age are open to the experience of humility and appreciate it as the beginning of awakening?

I can understand why you feel as you do. My concern is for those who admit that they are controlled by habits both emotional and physical. it creates a kind of prison. You can defend this prison and make your accusations. It is the way of the world. Some come to experience that it just creates their own suffering so it is best admitted. That is why i admit to being the wretched Man. What good does it do to deny the obvious? It is just more reasonable for those who have experienced the human condition within them and what it deprives them of to gradually engage in the inner struggle to become more human.

Greta wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:16 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:14 am

Greta wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:19 am
Of course much knowledge is always lost throughout history. Much environmental knowledge was lost when Europeans and Asians conquered indigenous peoples too. Welcome to life. One hopes you will eventually acclimatise.

You really are so ignorant to believe knowledge can be lost. You are also ignorant to believe knowledge belongs to human beings.

Just putting your immature trolling aside, information cannot be lost but knowledge can be, certainly for all practical means and purposes.

information is easily lost.

you've never saved data on CD/DVD/BD re-writables have you?

2- yrs later the data is faded away.

"information lost"

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:08 pm
I hear you man, but ain't no human man good enough for my woman

not the last 30 yrs or so.

why MGTOW "membership" in the west is rising.

I uderstand it - just being an ave guy, no super rich alpha.

and why i gave up on most american women - though black american women are less ballbuster in this regard (i.e. more traditional).

I do prefer their company over the Social demanding/climbing corporatist independent white ameican women (how many buddies were married and them shortly after took for every cent).

glad i'm still single.

its deadly out there guys, keep an open mind and run as fast as you can if it looks like the one you are falling for is a money grubbing harpy

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:55 am

Greta wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:31 am

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:22 am Greta



Missing the point. It is you who must explain why you express the dominant quality of denial which compels you to create scapegoats. You, me, and Trump will all pass away but the human condition remains. Why do you support it with such passion by creating the scapegoat of Trump?

Because we are at a sensitive tipping point. Actions done or undone at this stage will have amplified effects.

I am thus passionate about not destroying the environment and other creatures at a faster rate than is necessary. I am passionate about not being arrogantly wasteful with the natural environment. Thus I am passionately anti-Trump as a leader.

Mostly, YOU need to justify why you would support such a politician. Your ethics are otherwise in question, if they weren't already.

You assume choice where it doesn't exist. Just take the simple concept of greed. Is a free society possible to sustain if it falls victim to the effects of greed? Of course not. The environment which disturbs you will deteriorate as will natural life. What kind of leader is possible who can deal with the natural devolution into greed. Is it only a tyrant who could produce a slave state capable of controlling greed by force?

Before arguing about what should be done you have to understand why everything is as it is. Why must the great experiment called America offering the benefits of freedom for all deteriorate into the effects of selfish greed? Can you give me an answer that is not an attack on Trump?

Terribly over-simplistic. The parties are not the same. That is a mindless populist myth, the stuff of the tinfoil brigade. There is a difference in the tempo of natural destruction and increase in inequality. As I (pointlessly) explained to you immediately above, the tempo of destruction is critical. Natural systems are not linear so at this stage failure to act on climate change will act as a multiplier.

The idea is to slow the destruction. I appreciate that you hunger for the Apocalypse to rid the world of those you hate. I would rather see an attempt to slow the damage.

Your attitude is akin to jumping off a cliff because you're going to die anyway. Lunacy.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:32 am Dubious

I can understand why you feel as you do. My concern is for those who admit that they are controlled by habits both emotional and physical. it creates a kind of prison. You can defend this prison and make your accusations. It is the way of the world. Some come to experience that it just creates their own suffering so it is best admitted. That is why i admit to being the wretched Man. What good does it do to deny the obvious? It is just more reasonable for those who have experienced the human condition within them and what it deprives them of to gradually engage in the inner struggle to become more human.

Thank you for the psychoanalysis. Ever think of putting yourself on the couch to discover the source of your obsession which renounces or simply disregards every idea which doesn't conform to yours. Where's the wisdom in that which refuses to search and examine! How is it possible to debate when thoroughly locked out by your fixed star dogmas.

Consider still, after a few thousand posts, the way you remain clueless in how modern secularism operates! The only response is one of extreme hatred defined by nothing more perceptible than your consistently repeated rote mantras. You make wisdom appear asphyxiated as if dying in the gutter; it manifests the despiritualizing symptons of mental claustrophobia coming from a mind buried alive in its own psychosis. Other writings, as those by Emerson to name just one, conveys insight within a very different spectrum from yours feeling more like a surge of oxygen than methane. Your mind, in short, reminds me more of a slum than a mansion.

gaffo wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:47 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:08 pm
I hear you man, but ain't no human man good enough for my woman

not the last 30 yrs or so.

why MGTOW "membership" in the west is rising.

I uderstand it - just being an ave guy, no super rich alpha.

and why i gave up on most american women - though black american women are less ballbuster in this regard (i.e. more traditional).

I do prefer their company over the Social demanding/climbing corporatist independent white ameican women (how many buddies were married and them shortly after took for every cent).

glad i'm still single.

its deadly out there guys, keep an open mind and run as fast as you can if it looks like the one you are falling for is a money grubbing harpy

God speaking about his woman ''mother nature''...ain't no human man good enough for my woman

Dubious

Thank you for the psychoanalysis. Ever think of putting yourself on the couch to discover the source of your obsession which renounces or simply disregards every idea which doesn't conform to yours. Where's the wisdom in that which refuses to search and examine! How is it possible to debate when thoroughly locked out by your fixed star dogmas.

There is nothing to debate when basic premises are opposed. All one can do is explain the reasoning behind their premise. You deny the concept of objective value and the distinction between knowledge and opinion described by Plato. What is there to debate? As a secularist by definition you must deny the universalist. If you don’t you are not a secularist

Consider still, after a few thousand posts, the way you remain clueless in how modern secularism operates! The only response is one of extreme hatred defined by nothing more perceptible than your consistently repeated rote mantras. You make wisdom appear asphyxiated as if dying in the gutter; it manifests the despiritualizing symptons of mental claustrophobia coming from a mind buried alive in its own psychosis. Other writings, as those by Emerson to name just one, conveys insight within a very different spectrum from yours feeling more like a surge of oxygen than methane. Your mind, in short, reminds me more of a slum than a mansion.

Modern secularism is structured on the three Cs: criticize, complain, and condemn. Many recognize it as a dead end. You wrote of Emerson but what have I ever written that opposes his basic ideas?

To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment.” Emerson

“Whatever you do, you need courage. Whatever course you decide upon, there is always someone to tell you that you are wrong. There are always difficulties arising that tempt you to believe your critics are right. To map out a course of action and follow it to an end requires some of the same courage that a soldier needs. Peace has its victories, but it takes brave men and women to win them.”
― Ralph Waldo Emerson

You want to condemn but have you ever considered what it means to be yourself if you are not yourself now? The world having the effect of constantly making you into something you are not is the collective effect of the Great Beast. Simone Weil wrote of the necessity to have the courage to “annoy the Great Beast.” All you seem to want to do is deny objective values and defend secular dictates and its denial of reality beyond the realm of the senses.

I am just introducing many of the same ideas which are parts of perennial traditions. The World must hate them which is why for example Jesus and Socrates had to be killed. They are intolerable for the world. They are only valuable for the minority feeling the inner need to awaken. Of course the majority pointing fingers and creating scapegoats oppose their efforts. But spirit killing is the way of the world. It is considered essential for promoting and maintaining the divinity of the Great Beast or society itself.

gaffo wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:47 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:08 pm
I hear you man, but ain't no human man good enough for my woman

not the last 30 yrs or so.

why MGTOW "membership" in the west is rising.

I uderstand it - just being an ave guy, no super rich alpha.

and why i gave up on most american women - though black american women are less ballbuster in this regard (i.e. more traditional).

I do prefer their company over the Social demanding/climbing corporatist independent white ameican women (how many buddies were married and them shortly after took for every cent).

glad i'm still single.

its deadly out there guys, keep an open mind and run as fast as you can if it looks like the one you are falling for is a money grubbing harpy

God speaking about ''mother nature''.... ain't no human.. man enough to take my woman.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:07 pmModern secularism is structured on the three Cs: criticize, complain, and condemn

...as I said “mind psychois”, a sick obsession with something you never understood and would avoid anything to make you understand. That is your wisdom!

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:07 pmYou wrote of Emerson but what have I ever written that opposes his basic ideas?

Almost all of his ideas oppose yours; his frames of reference has zero in common. If he thought anywhere near like you he’d be a sick moron and not the very insightful person he was. He talked about both sides of the equation being both reasonable and necessary, not just highlighting the virtues of one while condemning every attribute the other may possess. He never crusaded against secularism as a whole, which would have been stupid, only against some undesirable aspects of it, which certainly exist and did the same for theism.

The whole person resembles more of a synthesis between inner & outer since both palpably exist with different inherent values which strive for reconciliation. "Knowing oneself" - one of your perennial favorite phrases by which you seek to glean credibility by simply mentioning it - requires that ALL sides of the human psyche be acknowledged. This includes the sides that don't do us any favors. This is a principal, not simply an idea, thoroughly opaque to a mentality like yours though most people would instinctively understand it.

Instead, such as you never learn a thing only more shit layered on top of the shit that already exists.

Of course, being the lying and deceitful creature you are you can quote anyone out of context as you habitually have to make your case. How often do you think that will work?

...by now, you’re modus operandi is easy to figure out in which even outright lying is a function on-call whenever required.

Dubious wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:13 pm

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:07 pmModern secularism is structured on the three Cs: criticize, complain, and condemn

...as I said “mind psychois”, a sick obsession with something you never understood and would avoid anything to make you understand. That is your wisdom!

Evangelists like Nick keenly engaged in the three Cs while Obama was in power. Is it a surprise that those who embrace reason would engage in the three Cs with Comrade Trump now riding roughshod over the US's democratic checks and balances?

Yet N then claims to be above politics, to looking at a bigger picture, at Plato's finger puppets while we merely see the shadow of Deformed Rabbit on the cave wall. Yet N's so-called bigger picture includes an endorsement of Trump's acceleration of environmental damage. Why the illogic?

It is because, like many evangelists, Nick is looking forward to the Apocalypse, to scour the Earth clean of feminists, abortionists, mercy killers, queers, druggies and snowflakes which will then usher in God's rule, as prophesied in Revelations.

There, endless billions of humans can sit atop one another in ever shrinking boxes in God's cities of glass, bricks, plastic and steel. If you don't preserve the natural environment, that's what "God's new world" after the Apocalypse will be like.

It is one thing to accept that the Earth changes and we are the catalysts for a dangerous extinction event that will claim a lot of humans as well, it's a whole other thing to support policies that accelerate the damage, which is not only immoral but not strategic; changes we make now can have a significant impact in the future.

Greta wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:45 pm It is one thing to accept that the Earth changes and we are the catalysts for a dangerous extinction event that will claim a lot of humans as well, it's a whole other thing to support policies that accelerate the damage, which is not only immoral but not strategic; changes we make now can have a significant impact in the future.

That's for sure. The worst by far is what we witness now may only be an introduction and possibly preempt any need for wisdom in the future...or maybe we'll get more of what we missed during the trauma when it's too late and no-longer useful. We may in time rectify the worst of errors we commit among ourselves but do it to the infrastructure which supports existence and we're in a different ball-game not unlike its Mayan version where the losers get roasted.

That nature doesn't retreat only attacks is no-longer a theory. It seems the President and all his idiot followers haven't yet reached that conclusion. The current hubris in the White House goes beyond Roman.

Greta wrote:It is because, like many evangelists, Nick is looking forward to the Apocalypse, to scour the Earth clean of feminists, abortionists, mercy killers, queers, druggies and snowflakes which will then usher in God's rule, as prophesied in Revelations.

I agree, it doesn't make sense! Why get rid of the fauna we still have left!