davidm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:23 pm
ken wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:03 pm
You answered that one observer sees one thing and another observer sees another thing.
That's correct. That's how it is.
If you insist '
that is how it is', then there is nothing more to discuss with you. You already believe that you KNOW what the actual truth is.
Obviously to be so sure of this supposed "fact" you have first hand experience of being in both frames of reference, which would be the only true way of having such incredible knowledge of KNOWING 'that is how it is'. Otherwise your knowing here in regards to this is based solely on your faith and belief in 'what others say'.
If your answer for ALL questions is going to be "one observer sees one thing and another observer sees another thing", then there is nothing to dispute nor disagree with. As I continually state,
Absolutely EVERY thing is relative to the observer, and,
if this is incorrect show Me otherwise. However if you are NOT going to use that answer for other clarifying questions, then WHY use it for this question I have been asking?
WHY are some of your answers based on differing perspectives but other answers are not?
davidm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:23 pmMy question is, HOW LONG DOES A TRIP TAKE, to travel four light years travelling at the speed of light?
The answer, as uwot, thedoc and I have repeatedly explained, depends ON WHOSE PERSPECTIVE.
Let us say on a Universal perspective, if you knowing WHOSE PERSPECTIVE is necessary before you are able to answer that question.
davidm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:23 pmWhich perspective are you asking about?
I OBVIOUSLY have NOT been asking from any perspective.
davidm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:23 pmWhichever perspective you are asking about, the answer has been given repeatedly.
Obviously I have NOT been asking FROM WHOSE PERSPECTIVE. Can you read the actual words I asked in that question? Is there any thing about any one or from any perspective in the question? The question was asked the way it was for the very reason that I am looking for
the answer, NOT many differing answers.
The reason for Me doing this will become obvious, when the answer is given.
If there is no one correct answer or if you do not know what the one correct answer is, then just say so. So we can move on.
By the way, WHY were you assuming I was asking that question depending on a whose perspective answer? Was that any thing at all in that question that led you to making that assumption?
davidm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:23 pmI suggest scrolling back up and rereading the thread.
WHY?
Would you take your own advice here?
WHY, from your perspective, it is always Me who is NOT understanding what is going on here?
Could it, in any way, be you that is NOT understanding what is actually going on here?
Could I be using words in a certain way to evoke from others a response that I am seeking in order to show and prove what it is that I see as being the truth. Could I, in fact, be doing the very thing I say human beings do when they construct observations and instruments to measure the very thing that see as being the truth already anyway. Just more to think about while we await your answer.
davidm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:23 pmYour synchronized explanations do NOT work.
Oh? Why's that, genius? Edumucate us lesser sods!
Why do you have a 'lesser than' or 'more than' attitude when it comes to having knowledge and knowing?
Have your previous experiences, throughout education, society, and/or family life, instilled in you that having more or having further knowledge than another means that one is 'more than' another? If so, then I feel sorry for you, and for the others that have gone through and/or are going through the same as you.
Why do you frequently put a 'laugh out loud' at the end of questions you ask Me? Is it because you are not open to any thing other than what you already presume is the truth, and are laughing at the ridiculousness that there could be any thing else other than what you assume or believe to be true, or is it for some other reason?
Your explanations do not work because of the way you say they are synchronized. You are saying the clocks are synchronized before one travels and the other remains on earth.
Does a tick-tock clock that is synchronized with a light-clock, BOTH of which are travelling in the same ufo, change their rate of change at the exact same (synchronized) rate, or at different rates, or does one not change at all while the other does, or does some thing else happen?
It makes me want to run outside amongst the trees in the moonlight. There is SO MUCH SPIRIT available in every moment. People can do whatever they want. It's all available. Fantastic!