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lol. So true. And I don't read Turkish, but I know enough about Islam to know what that's aboutthedoc wrote:Thankyou, technically interesting but not much fun, since I don't read that language.
"What do you call a person who knows two languages?
Bi-lingual.
What do you call a person who knows more that two languages?
Multilingual.
What do you call a person who knows only one language?
An American.
ReliStuPhD wrote:lol. So true. And I don't read Turkish, but I know enough about Islam to know what that's aboutthedoc wrote:Thankyou, technically interesting but not much fun, since I don't read that language.
"What do you call a person who knows two languages?
Bi-lingual.
What do you call a person who knows more that two languages?
Multilingual.
What do you call a person who knows only one language?
An American.
It's pretty much what I said above. Santa is taken as a creation of the Christian west, so is therefore a sort of pagan innovation. More fundamentalist Muslims in Turkey (and all around the world) want to get rid of pagan innovations. So... graphic of Turkish Muslim punching Santa as a way of showing the right way of going about responding to pagan idols, etc.thedoc wrote:Would you care to summarize, for the ignorant among us.
That is really Ironic since much of Christian and Muslim tradition came from the Pagan practices that were co-opted into Christian and Muslim practices. So Turkish Muslims are really cutting of their own roots, or cutting off their nose to spite their face. Just to be clear Santa Claus was a creation of many European traditions, America only borrowed and developed it. Sorry, I read 'Christian west' as America, probably not what you meant.ReliStuPhD wrote:It's pretty much what I said above. Santa is taken as a creation of the Christian west, so is therefore a sort of pagan innovation. More fundamentalist Muslims in Turkey (and all around the world) want to get rid of pagan innovations. So... graphic of Turkish Muslim punching Santa as a way of showing the right way of going about responding to pagan idols, etc.thedoc wrote:Would you care to summarize, for the ignorant among us.
No problem. And yes, it's ironic. Muslims (well, not all of them) do many things to cut off their noses. Frustrates the hell out of me, but I'm just an observer.thedoc wrote:That is really Ironic since much of Christian and Muslim tradition came from the Pagan practices that were co-opted into Christian and Muslim practices. So Turkish Muslims are really cutting of their own roots, or cutting off their nose to spite their face. Just to be clear Santa Claus was a creation of many European traditions, America only borrowed and developed it. Sorry, I read 'Christian west' as America, probably not what you meant.
When in perpetual war mode like the Americans have been for a number of years now, you have to be prepared to hate anyone regardless of race or language.thedoc wrote:Thankyou, technically interesting but not much fun, since I don't read that language.ReliStuPhD wrote:Ha! No, it's taken from a Turkish campaign to get rid of things like Christmas and the like. Santa Claus is an idol, so you should punch him out, in service of the faith.thedoc wrote:In regards to your avatar, I certainly hope you aren't advocating punching the spirit of Christmas, but object to the commercializing of it.
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"What do you call a person who knows two languages?
Bi-lingual.
What do you call a person who knows more that two languages?
Multilingual.
What do you call a person who knows only one language?
An American.
That is the intent for sure.raw_thought wrote:Myths are metaphors and should not be taken literally. They convey wisdom not historical facts.
Greatest I am wrote:That is the intent for sure.raw_thought wrote:Myths are metaphors and should not be taken literally. They convey wisdom not historical facts.
You would think that we would learn from history. The search for God was relatively benign and even enjoyable before literalism raised it's ugly head.
As a Gnostic Christian whose ancestors were decimated thanks to Christian literalism, I am quite heavily against faith based literal readers of myths.
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DL
In this case (if you mean the "punch Santa" example), they do not convey wisdom, hence the problem.raw_thought wrote:Myths are metaphors and should not be taken literally. They convey wisdom not historical facts.
You have no warrant to accept that any of the stories are anything more than stories. All religions are chock-a-block with impossible tales. Why anyone thinks Christianity is a special case I am puzzled over.thedoc wrote:Greatest I am wrote: Respect grows.
The bible was instrumental in my own apotheosis and I recommend it highly. One has to have the presence of mind to see that the God portrayed is rather vile and should be rejected. Therein lies the wisdom of the bible.
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DL
Thankyou.
The more I study and consider it, the more I have come to believe that the original stories were nothing like what is written in the current Bible. I would suggest that the stories were enhanced quite a bit to impress the people of the time, who were probably very violent because of the world they were living in. I'm more inclined to accept the stories of the new testament, and take a sign that Jesus taught in parables, made up stories to teach a lesson, not to teach history. My thinking is that if the new testament was primarily parables, why not the old testament mythology as made up stories to teach a lesson.
Now the question is, what do Gnostic's teach that is different form standard Christianity, and where is standard Christianity wrong in light of Gnostic teaching. I'm sure you have elaborated on this before, but I'm going to be lazy and ask you to point me in the direction or post a summary for me. I'm not saying I'm ready to convert or to leave the church I now attend, but I'm always considering other ideas. I have also come to the conclusion that which Church is attended is less important than the individual and their relationship with God.
Yeah screw with their heads and indoctrinate them from an early age.thedoc wrote:I would suggest that the Bible at least be on the reading list for your children, then when someone starts talking about it your children will know what they are talking about.ReliStuPhD wrote:Same here, though I'm not convinced it'll be the Bible my children are reading.thedoc wrote:Reading the Bible literally, you are correct. I am not convinced that the stories in the Bible are to be taken literally, and I question how much human elaboration was involved in those stories. When the time is right I will talk to my grandchildren about this.
Ah such obvious wisdom, so lost on our religious brethren here on PN.raw_thought wrote:Myths are metaphors and should not be taken literally. They convey wisdom not historical facts.
Ain't that the truth.Hobbes' Choice wrote:Ah such obvious wisdom, so lost on our religious brethren here on PN.raw_thought wrote:Myths are metaphors and should not be taken literally. They convey wisdom not historical facts.
from:Truth has differentiated regions. One should be particularly wary of anyone who declares that they are defending Truth, with a capital âTâ, their passion for which may have led them to be casual about the accuracy of specific, small scale, multiple truths which could be checked and contested. Such checking and Socratic quibbling can all too easily be treated as a trivial matter when the Juggernaut of Truth is busily rolling along, crushing its alleged opponents into the dust.
