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Arising_uk wrote:

Khalid wrote:... And Osama Bin Laden is a CIA agent .

No, Osama Bin laden was a Saudi Wahhabi fundamentalist who whilst fighting with the Taliban against the Russians was funded and given training by the CIA. Another example that I bet the Yank now wishes he'd thought about before leaping in against the 'godless' commies. Ho Chi Minh being another.

Indeed!

Khalid wrote:With no doubt , we are not evil , and who gave Osama an authorization to fight in the name of Islam or muslims?

So you're claiming that Bin Laden wasn't even a Muslim on the basis that Muslim's aren't evil so a Muslim couldn't have committed those acts and no one authorised him to anyway.

That could be one of the weakest arguments I've seen on here to be honest.

Khalid wrote:And what part in the Quran gives him the justification to strike a building filled with innocent civilians?

As if there's one definitive interpretation of the Koran. Come on, don't insult anyone's intelligence. People have interpreted all manner of religious teachings to justify horrible actions so the only important thing is that he thought it justified the actions.

If you'd just said something like "all religions have their zealots and I don't agree with them" that would sound fairly reasonable but making the claim you have just sounds unbelievably silly.

Arising_uk wrote:

Khalid wrote:... And Osama Bin Laden is a CIA agent .

No, Osama Bin laden was a Saudi Wahhabi fundamentalist who whilst fighting with the Taliban against the Russians was funded and given training by the CIA. Another example that I bet the Yank now wishes he'd thought about before leaping in against the 'godless' commies. Ho Chi Minh being another.

Osama was a wahhabi fundamentalist is accurate as I heard but I don't care about his heroic struggles with commies , I don't give a shit about Taliban and I don't recognize anyone who gets my religion tainted whatever were the justifications . With no doubt religious extermism is a disease that exists everywhere but he worked and had a relationship with the CIA and I'm certain of is the American capability and obsession of making movies , 9/11 events was a zionistic hollywood movie directed by the CIA and published in the conditioning maintstream media in the west and the target is clearly known .

Does Islam have an organization that one can appeal to in these matters then? I bet not, so like most religions its open to what its believers believe.

We have Al Azhar in Egypt , it's an official Islamic organization respected by millions in the Islamic world but you are right cause it's decisions and recommendations aren't mandatory , but I wanted to say that why should 2 billions be blamed on the action of individuals . I don't wanna say how an airoplane could be highjaked that way and fly in the sky of Newyork with such ease to strike building , I don't wanna get to the conspiritional details . But I tell you I can go tomorrow to a soccer match and plant a bomb among thousands of crowds and leave a paper note saying Christianity is waking up . I didn't know who was the fuck is Osama before 9/11 movie was publish . It was an obivious dirty game against Islam and Arabs .

And because there is no 'world' nor 'international community'quote]
United Nations and security council that never taken any serious actions against any countries than Thrid world countries , are supposed to be international community I guess . Why haven't the united nations find a suitable fair solution for Palestinian Israeli conflict , giving Palestine fair borders and right to have an independent nations . Even if there could be tensions on borders , they can send UN forces to maintain stability and security for both sides . I tell you something clearly , the world is being run and controled by the Jews and everybody knows that if we want to be serious .

And why Iraq was invaded ? And why wasn't any photo or video taken of Osama's body who was killed after 10 fuckin years of chase by the most powerful army and intellegence on earth . Why isn't there any materialistic evidence ? and why is it so difficult for the U.S army to exterminate Taliban in order to get it's mission accomplished in Afghanistan and let people there live in peace ? The same about Iraq with it's invisible super weapons !?

Khalid wrote:Why hasn't the world uprised against any of Israeli crimes ?

what is it with you people and israel

israelis blow away a palestinian or two and the entire arab world is in uproar

an arab dictator kills more arabs in a few weeks than israel has ever and you do not give a shit

Kayla wrote:

Khalid wrote:Why hasn't the world uprised against any of Israeli crimes ?

what is it with you people and israel

israelis blow away a palestinian or two and the entire arab world is in uproar

an arab dictator kills more arabs in a few weeks than israel has ever and you do not give a shit

Who told you I don't give a shit ? And what is the number of people Israel killed you have? Anyway I never thought those criminal dictators would do all that with their own people . But those criminals in Libya , Syria and others perhaps killed thousands but Israel has killed a nation and generations . They have our holly mosque "Al Aqsa" beside their black history of crimes and imperialism .

Khalid wrote: They have our holly mosque "Al Aqsa" beside their black history of crimes and imperialism .

What would happen if you said, "Dear friend, please accept the holy mosque as our gesture of good faith and friendship. It is more important we follow the word of God than covet a material possession or idol." And then just forgot the past and moved on to a more mentally healthy state of mind?

Perhaps peace would ensue eventually? Or am I being naive...must the war continue so that no one lose face?

artisticsolution wrote:

Khalid wrote: They have our holly mosque "Al Aqsa" beside their black history of crimes and imperialism .

What would happen if you said, "Dear friend, please accept the holy mosque as our gesture of good faith and friendship. It is more important we follow the word of God than covet a material possession or idol." And then just forgot the past and moved on to a more mentally healthy state of mind?

Perhaps peace would ensue eventually? Or am I being naive...must the war continue so that no one lose face?

I wish this tone is used but when there are accumulations of injustice and oppression , it's difficult to bring such soft manner .

Khalid wrote: Who told you I don't give a shit ?

your own conduct

And what is the number of people Israel killed you have?

here is one source

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/deaths.html

and lets not get into the russians and chechnya - the muslim countries remain very happy to buy russian weapons or hire russians to build their nuclear weapons

But those criminals in Libya , Syria and others perhaps killed thousands but Israel has killed a nation and generations .

if numbers are not on your side switch to talking about intangibles

Khalid wrote:... They have our holly mosque "Al Aqsa" beside their black history of crimes and imperialism .

Wiki wrote:... Today, the Old City is under Israeli control, but the mosque remains under the administration of the Palestinian-led Islamic waqf.

And why Iraq was invaded ? And why wasn't any photo or video taken of Osama's body who was killed after 10 fuckin years of chase by the most powerful army and intellegence on earth . Why isn't there any materialistic evidence ? and why is it so difficult for the U.S army to exterminate Taliban in order to get it's mission accomplished in Afghanistan and let people there live in peace ? The same about Iraq with it's invisible super weapons !?

http://www.thedebate.org/thedebate/iraq.asp

Khalid wrote:Osama was a wahhabi fundamentalist is accurate as I heard but I don't care about his heroic struggles with commies , I don't give a shit about Taliban and I don't recognize anyone who gets my religion tainted whatever were the justifications . With no doubt religious extermism is a disease that exists everywhere but he worked and had a relationship with the CIA and I'm certain of is the American capability and obsession of making movies , 9/11 events was a zionistic hollywood movie directed by the CIA and published in the conditioning maintstream media in the west and the target is clearly known .

Well far be it from me to say that the CIA wouldn't think of doing such a thing, nor that the neo-cons in America have used it for their own purposes, but you are deluded that they did. Especially since Osama and Al Queda were very clear that they did it off their own backs. I know such as you think it should not be possible as you live in a society which is under complete of its rulers but America, for all its faults, is a free society and as such they don't have control of the life of its public. So its very possible, and in fact is the case, that a group of terrorists managed to get training to fly an aeroplane, once in the air, into a very big building. Hi-jacking planes was common when I was young and America was very lax about security of its internal flights, mainly because they use them like we uses buses and could not afford to bring them to a crawl like security does at International airports.

You keep saying 'your' religion but they think its theirs as well and they are actually the Arabs.

I'd be more impressed if you denounced such terrorist acts by the followers of Islam rather than pretending that they are plots by the big, bad, American Jews.

We have Al Azhar in Egypt , it's an official Islamic organization respected by millions in the Islamic world but you are right cause it's decisions and recommendations aren't mandatory , but I wanted to say that why should 2 billions be blamed on the action of individuals . I don't wanna say how an airoplane could be highjaked that way and fly in the sky of Newyork with such ease to strike building , I don't wanna get to the conspiritional details . But I tell you I can go tomorrow to a soccer match and plant a bomb among thousands of crowds and leave a paper note saying Christianity is waking up . I didn't know who was the fuck is Osama before 9/11 movie was publish . It was an obivious dirty game against Islam and Arabs .

No, its an act that follows Mao's dictum for revolution, i.e. make it impossible for people not to pick sides by creating terror amongst them. Osama and his followers want the return of an Islamic Caliphate, no individualistic Islamic nations, and the way to do that is to make them band together in the face of a common enemy. So they absolutely loved the American response to the 11th of September.

See above for why it was possible to do such an act.

United Nations and security council that never taken any serious actions against any countries than Thrid world countries , are supposed to be international community I guess . Why haven't the united nations find a suitable fair solution for Palestinian Israeli conflict , giving Palestine fair borders and right to have an independent nations . Even if there could be tensions on borders , they can send UN forces to maintain stability and security for both sides . I tell you something clearly , the world is being run and controled by the Jews and everybody knows that if we want to be serious .

If you want to be serious then think about what you say, as if you got you wish for an active UN then you'd have the perfect vehicle for the world being run by [insert whichever conspiracy group you despise]. The reason why the UN is toothless is that none of the big nations would allow such an entity to tell them what to do and neither would your nation I suspect. There is no 'international community', its a myth.

As Kayla said, I've not heard any Islamic States not buying weapons from the Russians and they have killed tens of thousands of Muslim Chechen's. Although this is truly going to come back to bite the 'West' as it has politicised, radicalised and strengthened Wahhabi Islam no end.

I am impressed by your words but in the end I think that you are a believer and follower and if your Imams declared jihad you would go along with it and commit the same atrocities with no compunction that you say the Zionist does.

am impressed by your words but in the end I think that you are a believer and follower and if your Imams declared jihad you would go along with it and commit the same atrocities with no compunction that you say the Zionist does.

I agree with the above. Occasionally this is revealed by Khalid, although he does manage to suppress it most of the time.

There is nothing scientific in the koran. For example, where is the scientific method described in the koran? It isn't. If the koran did state the scientific method should be followed in obtaining knowledge, then it would be telling its readers to ignore its own non-verifiable supernatural claims.

Anyone who claims that the koran has all the answers please solve a present, unsolved, scientific question through the koran. It never happens, does it? Instead, the muslims wait until a scientific discovery occurs, then they try to stretch the interpretation of some obscure passage in the koran to fit the discovery. It's insanity.

Islam is 100% false.

Muhammad also never existed. Same with Jesus. Superstitious religion is just nutty.

Muhammad also never existed. Same with Jesus. Superstitious religion is just nutty.

Said with strong conviction "ForgedinHell"


Is not Hell a place regarded in various religions as a spiritual realm of evil and suffering?