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Re: Resolution of the question as to whether math is discovered or invented
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 2:15 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 2:13 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 1:55 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 1:49 pm
Oh well, except for that math.
Tell me where you found the number 0 in nature.
Spontaneous change where the change of one state into another is a coming to being from potentiality (nothingness, the absence of actuality).
Back to vomiting tokens I see.
No your are just incapable of reflective thinking. Your excessive time with a computer changed your brain structure and stunted you. You cannot visualize without a screen.
Re: Resolution of the question as to whether math is discovered or invented
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 2:17 pm
by Skepdick
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 2:15 pm
No your are just incapable of reflective thinking. Your excessive time with a computer changed your brain structure and stunted you. You cannot visualize without a screen.
That's just false.
Programming and equational reasoning (Mathematics) is applied reflective thinking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflective_programming
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflexive_relation
I bet you can define "reflective thinking" even if though you suck at it.
You know which systems actually suck at reflexivity? Stochastic token/definition generators...
Re: Resolution of the question as to whether math is discovered or invented
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 2:29 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 2:11 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 1:53 pm
The physical world is a distinction. It contrasts the distinction of the abstract.
If matter is an abstraction, fair enough, but that leaves all physical things being abstractions and yet you claim the physical is undefinable.
OK. Why are you drawing this distinction? Why are you abstracting? What purpose did that serve? Now that you've sank time into it - what yields do you expect?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 1:53 pm
If time is not a concept, then point to it physically. If it is not physical either then it is nothing and your efforts are to manipulate something that does not exist.
And yet you wasted it making this point
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 1:53 pm
You claim attempting to conceptualize it is a waste of time, so if that is the case you are attempting to manipulate something undefined...nothing effectively.
That was another wasteful application of your thinking apparatus...
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 1:53 pm
What I am pointing to is obvious, you working endlessly for efficiency and yet in the continual labor you undermine yourself because you are working regardless. You accuse philosophy of futility and yet you struggle for a futile never ending loop and call yourself intelligent for it.
Well, if you can't tell the difference. That's OK
Keep doing what you are doing.
The yield is real simple, you claim intelligence and I am testing the claim.
You are wasting time responding if what I am saying is a waste of time, you seek to prove everyone here wrong and then back away when they ask you for explanations or proofs and then you resort purely to insults like a spanked child.
To be honest skepdick after discussions over the years, there are people that I respect and it is a minority, there are those I admire and it is an even smaller minority. The other side is there are people that I feel bad for, this is a minority. And then there are people who I pity, this is a smaller minority. Between these extremes is a majority I view as nothing at all.
Given our conversation, I find you as fitting in the majority of nobodies.
Out of misplaced etiquette I am going to let you save face and have the last word. No disrespect but you give the impression of being just another self absorbed worthless narcissist that time will slowly corrupt and then dissolve. Have your say, tell yourself a story of why you matter like the countless nobodies that exist. I wish you the best regardless.
You have the last word.
Re: Resolution of the question as to whether math is discovered or invented
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 2:52 pm
by Martin Peter Clarke
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 1:55 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 1:49 pm
Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 1:47 pm
Straw man. Except for 'math' that doesn't map to nature, it's all discovered.
Oh well, except for that math.
Tell me where you found the number 0 in nature.
Spontaneous change where the change of one state into another is a coming to being from potentiality (nothingness, the absence of actuality).
What's the logic of asking me that I wonder?
Re: Resolution of the question as to whether math is discovered or invented
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 2:55 pm
by Skepdick
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 2:29 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 2:11 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 1:53 pm
The physical world is a distinction. It contrasts the distinction of the abstract.
If matter is an abstraction, fair enough, but that leaves all physical things being abstractions and yet you claim the physical is undefinable.
OK. Why are you drawing this distinction? Why are you abstracting? What purpose did that serve? Now that you've sank time into it - what yields do you expect?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 1:53 pm
If time is not a concept, then point to it physically. If it is not physical either then it is nothing and your efforts are to manipulate something that does not exist.
And yet you wasted it making this point
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 1:53 pm
You claim attempting to conceptualize it is a waste of time, so if that is the case you are attempting to manipulate something undefined...nothing effectively.
That was another wasteful application of your thinking apparatus...
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 1:53 pm
What I am pointing to is obvious, you working endlessly for efficiency and yet in the continual labor you undermine yourself because you are working regardless. You accuse philosophy of futility and yet you struggle for a futile never ending loop and call yourself intelligent for it.
Well, if you can't tell the difference. That's OK
Keep doing what you are doing.
The yield is real simple, you claim intelligence and I am testing the claim.
You are wasting time responding if what I am saying is a waste of time, you seek to prove everyone here wrong and then back away when they ask you for explanations or proofs and then you resort purely to insults like a spanked child.
To be honest skepdick after discussions over the years, there are people that I respect and it is a minority, there are those I admire and it is an even smaller minority. The other side is there are people that I feel bad for, this is a minority. And then there are people who I pity, this is a smaller minority. Between these extremes is a majority I view as nothing at all.
Given our conversation, I find you as fitting in the majority of nobodies.
Out of misplaced etiquette I am going to let you save face and have the last word. No disrespect but you give the impression of being just another self absorbed worthless narcissist that time will slowly corrupt and then dissolve. Have your say, tell yourself a story of why you matter like the countless nobodies that exist. I wish you the best regardless.
You have the last word.
Out of courtesy - I am having a last word so you can feel vindicated.