UK RAPE GANGS - predominantly Pakistani Muslims

[Immanuel Can]

And there were multiple complaints that went unheeded, and, in fact, discouraged and punished. The government, the media, and that police were all complicit, and many continue to be.

The British police avoid spending resources on cases in which they are unlikely to secure a conviction.

That wasn't these cases. They had witnesses, and lots of them. They had victims, living ones. They knew who the perps were, where they were working, who they knew, and where the johns were. They knew the truth, as did everybody in the community. And not only by the community, but internationally, as well, as it was widely reported in the press...and still, nothing was being done about it. They were dealing with bold criminals here, criminals being allowed to do what they did both by their community and by the authorities.

Why? That's the question.

[Age]

And there were multiple complaints that went unheeded, and, in fact, discouraged and punished. The government, the media, and that police were all complicit, and many continue to be.

The British police avoid spending resources on cases in which they are unlikely to secure a conviction.

That wasn't these cases. They had witnesses, and lots of them. They had victims, living ones. They knew who the perps were, where they were working, who they knew, and where the johns were. They knew the truth, as did everybody in the community. And not only by the community, but internationally, as well, as it was widely reported in the press...and still, nothing was being done about it. They were dealing with bold criminals here, criminals being allowed to do what they did both by their community and by the authorities.

Why? That's the question.

ASK God, "he" would know, right?

[Immanuel Can]

The British police avoid spending resources on cases in which they are unlikely to secure a conviction.

That wasn't these cases. They had witnesses, and lots of them. They had victims, living ones. They knew who the perps were, where they were working, who they knew, and where the johns were. They knew the truth, as did everybody in the community. And not only by the community, but internationally, as well, as it was widely reported in the press...and still, nothing was being done about it. They were dealing with bold criminals here, criminals being allowed to do what they did both by their community and by the authorities.

Why? That's the question.

ASK God, "he" would know, right?

That's your first good suggestion. Congratulations.

[godelian]

They were dealing with bold criminals here, criminals being allowed to do what they did both by their community and by the authorities.
Why? That's the question.

We are sitting on two constraints:

(1) It is pretty much impossible to put children in prison.
(2) It is really hard to put females in prison.

These constraints exist for cultural and other reasons.

This means that the child prostitute is quite immune to police action or threats. If she does not want to cooperate, then she doesn't. At the same time, her testimony is almost always essential to successfully prosecute the pimp and/or the customers. Therefore, the success of the police's intervention very much depends on their ability to turn the girl against her pimp and her customers.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... -committee

UK police accused by MPs of ‘cosying up’ to ‘pimping websites’

Police officers were unable to tell the cross-party committee of MPs whether any prosecutions had resulted from working alongside such sites to gather intelligence of traffickers.

While it is legal for a sex worker to sell their services in the UK, pimps and people traffickers were accused by MPs of using the same online platform to pose as women and bring in punters.

Jones, the director of threat leadership at the NCA, and director general of the National Economic Crime Centre, said the relationships were vital for harvesting information about traffickers. “It’s not a policy decision to cosy up to any of these companies,” he said.

The MPs do not seem to understand why the police prefers to infiltrate these sites instead of just randomly arresting people. The police have to extensively talk to the girls and successfully gain their trust. In order to secure convictions against the pimps, the police needs the cooperation of the girls involved. The girls must be willing to testify against their pimp, while we know that they typically aren't. In my opinion, the MPs are wrong while the police is right. Careful infiltration and extensive surveillance is the way to go to achieve results.

[Immanuel Can]

They were dealing with bold criminals here, criminals being allowed to do what they did both by their community and by the authorities.
Why? That's the question.

We are sitting on two constraints:

(1) It is pretty much impossible to put children in prison.
(2) It is really hard to put females in prison.

Why would you want to put the victims in prison? Are you nuts? They didn't rape anybody. You don't jail the girls, ...you jail the perps.

So no, there are no constraints on us putting the pimps, the johns, and the other responsible people in jail. My question is why we haven't done that.

[godelian]

Why would you want to put the victims in prison?

So, you cannot force the girls to cooperate and to testify against the pimps or the customers.
So, don't be surprised if you end up without any evidence at all.

So no, there are no constraints on us putting the pimps, the johns, and the other responsible people in jail.

Yeah, and how are you going to do that without the testimonies of the girls?
Where are you going to find the evidence to secure a conviction?

My question is why we haven't done that.

Because it is impossible to force the girls to testify against their pimps or their customers if they do not want to.

[Age]

That wasn't these cases. They had witnesses, and lots of them. They had victims, living ones. They knew who the perps were, where they were working, who they knew, and where the johns were. They knew the truth, as did everybody in the community. And not only by the community, but internationally, as well, as it was widely reported in the press...and still, nothing was being done about it. They were dealing with bold criminals here, criminals being allowed to do what they did both by their community and by the authorities.

Why? That's the question.

ASK God, "he" would know, right?

That's your first good suggestion. Congratulations.

It was ALSO A CLARIFYING QUESTION. Which, AGAIN, 'this one' WOULD NOT JUST ANSWER, and CLARIFY.

And, if it REALLY IS A so-called 'good suggestion', then this IMPLIES that 'this one' might just FOLLOW UP on 'the suggestion'.

And, if it DOES, then 'I', for One, am VERY, VERY INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT 'what answer' 'this one' IS PROVIDED WITH, IF it does.

BUT, OBVIOUSLY, 'this one' WILL NEVER PROVIDE 'us' WITH AN ANSWER. Which just goes to SHOW and FURTHER PROVE that what 'this one' CLAIMS, ABSOLUTELY, IS God, is NOT AT ALL LIKE what it KEEPS ON WANTING TO HOLD ONTO BELIEVING.

[Age]

They were dealing with bold criminals here, criminals being allowed to do what they did both by their community and by the authorities.
Why? That's the question.

We are sitting on two constraints:

(1) It is pretty much impossible to put children in prison.
(2) It is really hard to put females in prison.

BUT,

It is NOT impossible AT ALL to put children in prison. As you adult human beings HAVE PROVED True, ALREADY.
It is NOT hard, AT ALL, to put females" in prison. As you adult human beings HAVE PROVED True, ALREADY.

A LOT of these posters, here, REALLY DO SAY some of the MOST Truly Inaccurate AND ABSURD things, here, sometimes.

These constraints exist for cultural and other reasons.

This means that the child prostitute is quite immune to police action or threats. If she does not want to cooperate, then she doesn't. At the same time, her testimony is almost always essential to successfully prosecute the pimp and/or the customers. Therefore, the success of the police's intervention very much depends on their ability to turn the girl against her pimp and her customers.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... -committee

UK police accused by MPs of ‘cosying up’ to ‘pimping websites’

Police officers were unable to tell the cross-party committee of MPs whether any prosecutions had resulted from working alongside such sites to gather intelligence of traffickers.

While it is legal for a sex worker to sell their services in the UK, pimps and people traffickers were accused by MPs of using the same online platform to pose as women and bring in punters.

Jones, the director of threat leadership at the NCA, and director general of the National Economic Crime Centre, said the relationships were vital for harvesting information about traffickers. “It’s not a policy decision to cosy up to any of these companies,” he said.

The MPs do not seem to understand why the police prefers to infiltrate these sites instead of just randomly arresting people. The police have to extensively talk to the girls and successfully gain their trust. In order to secure convictions against the pimps, the police needs the cooperation of the girls involved. The girls must be willing to testify against their pimp, while we know that they typically aren't. In my opinion, the MPs are wrong while the police is right. Careful infiltration and extensive surveillance is the way to go to achieve results.

[godelian]

And so, again, I ask, who was it who was empowering these evil men?

The pimp gives drugs and money to the girl. He gives a Gucci bag to the girl. He brings her to expensive nightclubs. He pays for her drinks. He brings her to expensive restaurants. What are the police supposed to give to the girl? Just some word salad? I am surprised that the police sometimes does manage to get the girl to testify against her pimp. Pulling that off, is not easy at all!

[Immanuel Can]

Why would you want to put the victims in prison?

So, you cannot force the girls to cooperate and to testify against the pimps or the customers.

Don't have to. The victims were children, not prostitutes. There were already plenty of complainants. The evidence was there, and the witnesses were there; the authorities just didn't want to hear about it.

Don't you know anything about this case at all? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham ... on_scandal

Are you just making excuses for the rapists, or for the cowards who kept empowering them? Seriously, who are you trying to defend?

[Gary Childress]

And so, again, I ask, who was it who was empowering these evil men?

The pimp gives drugs and money to the girl. He gives a Gucci bag to the girl. He brings her to expensive nightclubs. He pays for her drinks. He brings her to expensive restaurants. What are the police supposed to give to the girl? Just some word salad? I am surprised that the police sometimes does manage to get the girl to testify against her pimp. Pulling that off, is not easy at all!

Wow! Where are these "rape gangs" getting all their cash from to pay these girls? Life in the UK can't be all that bad, at least for them. Sounds like they're living it up.

Sorry to butt in. Just an aside, I suppose.

[godelian]

The evidence was there, and the witnesses were there; the authorities just didn't want to hear about it.

What evidence can there exist besides the testimony by the girl herself?

Don't you know anything about this case at all? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham ... on_scandal

The page mentions dozens of convictions and lots lengthy prison sentences. This means that the police did their job. What else do you want? They did manage to put quite a few criminals in prison. So, what's your problem with the case? The police cannot prevent the crime itself. They can only try to secure the conviction of the criminal. Preventing the crime is something that the parents of the girl need to do, and that is where the real problem lies:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham ... on_scandal

The targets can include children in the care of the local authority; in Rotherham, one third of the targeted children were previously known to social services.

In fact, Social Services knew from the background and the home situation of the girls that they were at risk:

In 1997, Rotherham Council created a local youth project, Risky Business, to work with girls and women aged 11–25 thought to be at risk of sexual exploitation on the streets.

Many of the girls were from troubled families, but not all.

The more family breakdown there is, the larger the number of girls at risk.

Are you just making excuses for the rapists, or for the cowards who kept empowering them? Seriously, who are you trying to defend?

You are making up some kind of bullshit accusation. You simply do not understand how criminal justice works. The police has to collect enough evidence to secure a conviction. If they fail to do that, the criminals won't go to prison. You do not want to look at the problem of evidence collection and the problem of securing convictions in court because doing so, does not suit your naive and childish approach to the problem.

[accelafine]

And so, again, I ask, who was it who was empowering these evil men?

The pimp gives drugs and money to the girl. He gives a Gucci bag to the girl. He brings her to expensive nightclubs. He pays for her drinks. He brings her to expensive restaurants. What are the police supposed to give to the girl? Just some word salad? I am surprised that the police sometimes does manage to get the girl to testify against her pimp. Pulling that off, is not easy at all!

Wow! Where are these "rape gangs" getting all their cash from to pay these girls? Life in the UK can't be all that bad, at least for them. Sounds like they're living it up.

Sorry to butt in. Just an aside, I suppose.

He's full of shit. He has no evidence of that. He's just trying to make it look as if it's the girls' fault-- implying that they are prostitutes. Just because his own wife is a prostitute doesn't mean all females are. Those disgusting inbreeds don't need to do any of that. What power does a girl, some as young as eleven, have against big, thunking men? Those men certainly wouldn't need to be providing 'Gucci handbags' to them. Gucci handbags cost thousands. Many of these men were found guilty of RAPE and are now serving long prison sentences.
It's not hard to get a naive, vulnerable person high on drugs. You would only need to lure them into 'friendship' with younger, less repulsive family members, with something as simple as a shared drink bottle.

[godelian]

He's full of shit. He has no evidence of that. He's just trying to make it look as if it's the girls' fault-- implying that they are prostitutes. Just because his own wife is a prostitute doesn't mean all females are.

My bowels may be full of shit, but the smelly piece of shit is clearly you.

Evidence that the pimps or the customers give Gucci bags to the girls.

Testimonial 1:

https://torontolife.com/life/how-i-was- ... ing-at-15/

My Double Life

Girls and pimps all follow each other on Instagram and Snapchat and Twitter. At the time, we liked BlackBerry Messenger because we’d communicate with a PIN instead of a phone number. It became an addictive competition: a girl would post a picture holding the latest Gucci bag, captioned, “Thanks, Daddy!” referring to her trafficker. Then someone else would post a picture of a bigger, newer bag. We were all trying to one-up each other.

Testimonial 2:

https://shs.cairn.info/journal-ethnolog ... 85?lang=fr

How Police Control Defines Prostitution

We knew that men and women were meeting, but we had no proof that the acts were in exchange for payment. It [the investigation] was difficult, because we had no proof of prostitution: everything was well disguised, the girls were paid in gifts (Gucci and Chanel bags) for which they later claimed refunds, but there was no direct exchange of money.

Testimonial 3:

Interview: Raised in Pimp City: Urban insights on traffickers, trafficking, and the counter-trafficking industry

https://www.antitraffickingreview.org/i ... ew/623/484

You know something’s not right but we did not think like the way it is now, like ‘evil trafficker, burn him at the stake’ and all that. No, we were actually accepted by our communities, our mothers benefited off of what we were doing, and they were happy we weren’t drug dealers or gang members. And you didn’t see a bunch of beat-up women, like those images nowadays—no, you saw women with Gucci bags and nice dresses driving Lexus or Mercedes. So, on the outside it seemed good but actually we were damaging ourselves but nobody was there to tell us that.

It is not because no man on earth would ever give you a Gucci bag that pretty women do not receive Gucci bags from their man.

Of course, I also give Gucci and Chanel bags to girls.

Not because I am a pimp, but because girls really like them, and because I've got a lots of money anyway.

You see, I am a biological success because lots of pretty women like me, as well as the Gucci and Chanel bags that I give to them, while you are a biological failure because no man on earth would ever lift a finger for you, do anything for you, or even give a flying fart about you. No man on earth will ever give you a Gucci or Chanel bag.

You cannot compare yourself to me. Your genes will never make it to the next generation, simply because they should not. The Darwinian laws of nature insist that the biological mistake that you are, must die out, and must not be repeated in any future generation.

Is there a man that has ever loved you? If you say that the answer is yes, then you are lying, because no man can ever love an obnoxiously bitchy woman like you.

[accelafine]

He's full of shit. He has no evidence of that. He's just trying to make it look as if it's the girls' fault-- implying that they are prostitutes. Just because his own wife is a prostitute doesn't mean all females are.

My bowels may be full of shit, but the smelly piece of shit is clearly you.

Evidence that the pimps or the customers give Gucci bags to the girls.

Testimonial 1:

https://torontolife.com/life/how-i-was- ... ing-at-15/

My Double Life

Girls and pimps all follow each other on Instagram and Snapchat and Twitter. At the time, we liked BlackBerry Messenger because we’d communicate with a PIN instead of a phone number. It became an addictive competition: a girl would post a picture holding the latest Gucci bag, captioned, “Thanks, Daddy!” referring to her trafficker. Then someone else would post a picture of a bigger, newer bag. We were all trying to one-up each other.

Testimonial 2:

https://shs.cairn.info/journal-ethnolog ... 85?lang=fr

How Police Control Defines Prostitution

We knew that men and women were meeting, but we had no proof that the acts were in exchange for payment. It [the investigation] was difficult, because we had no proof of prostitution: everything was well disguised, the girls were paid in gifts (Gucci and Chanel bags) for which they later claimed refunds, but there was no direct exchange of money.

Testimonial 3:

Interview: Raised in Pimp City: Urban insights on traffickers, trafficking, and the counter-trafficking industry

https://www.antitraffickingreview.org/i ... ew/623/484

You know something’s not right but we did not think like the way it is now, like ‘evil trafficker, burn him at the stake’ and all that. No, we were actually accepted by our communities, our mothers benefited off of what we were doing, and they were happy we weren’t drug dealers or gang members. And you didn’t see a bunch of beat-up women, like those images nowadays—no, you saw women with Gucci bags and nice dresses driving Lexus or Mercedes. So, on the outside it seemed good but actually we were damaging ourselves but nobody was there to tell us that.

It is not because no man on earth would ever give you a Gucci bag that pretty women do not receive Gucci bags from their man.

Of course, I also give Gucci and Chanel bags to girls.

Not because I am a pimp, but because girls really like them, and because I've got a lots of money anyway.

You see, I am a biological success because lots of pretty women like me, as well as the Gucci and Chanel bags that I give to them, while you are a biological failure because no man on earth would ever lift a finger for you, do anything for you, or even give a flying fart about you. No man on earth will ever give you a Gucci or Chanel bag.

You cannot compare yourself to me. Your genes will never make it to the next generation, simply because they should not. The Darwinian laws of nature insist that the biological mistake that you are, must die out, and must not be repeated in any future generation.

Is there a man that has ever loved you? If you say that the answer is yes, then you are lying, because no man can ever love an obnoxiously bitchy woman like you.

For fuck sake