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Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:34 am Do whatever you think needs passing on. But I'm sure Age already knows what you know.

Nah, nor vice versa.

We're all just telling each other what we already know.
All knowing claims are sourced from the exact same place.

Be still now, shhh! silence is where all the true truth power lies. < Divine paradox.

I'll follow your lead with the silence. And if I respond crankily or otherwise to Age, feel free to respond with silence. That way I'll get more wisdom which I already have.

Mind you, alas, a still mind is like a still wind, and there's a lot of hot air around here lately.

Must be a breaking wind.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:16 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:34 am Do whatever you think needs passing on. But I'm sure Age already knows what you know.

Nah, nor vice versa.

We're all just telling each other what we already know.
All knowing claims are sourced from the exact same place.

Be still now, shhh! silence is where all the true truth power lies. < Divine paradox.

I'll follow your lead with the silence.

Mind you, alas, a still mind is like a still wind, and there's a lot of hot air around here lately.

Must be a breaking wind.

Maybe it’s a breaking bad wind.

Yes, a good leader always follows that lead. On its way to the good place.


We can only know what we know then, in fact what isn’t known yet, will eventually become known, but what is unknowable can never be known.

We can only make sense with the knowledge we already have.

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:55 am

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:55 pm As I said, I experienced my mind once!

Then prove that claim.

Truth is...You, I, my, me, us, them, are all just conceptual things, they are thoughts... there's just thinking. And 'things' have no consciousness.

But since thinking is being observed by awareness, awareness can observe many thoughts, many things, but never experience those things, because they are already being the experience, it's one experience with itself only, all alone.

All alone means it cannot step out of it's own arena, since it's everywhere at once, just like light is everywhere at once, which is just another label for awareness, and so awareness cannot step out of itself to get a peek up it's own skirt so to speak. No more that the body can just over it's own shadow.

So the claim, my, your, mine, their experience is illusory, since the experiencer, or the thinker of thought, is never found, never seen, without making 'the thinker' or 'the experiencer' just more thought..just more concepts that have no conscious awareness.

No thought, no mind, has ever been seen. Thoughts are only known by the only knowing there is, which is consciousness, one without a second.

Prove that you experienced meaning!

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:59 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:42 am Autism’s expression is a different brain braining that’s all.

It would be lovely if he could admit this

It would be, supposedly, lovely if I could admit 'what', exactly, here, "iwannaplato"?

Are you, still not yet aware of how often, and how many times, you allude to some 'thing' but never actually just say nor write, directly, about what 'it' is, exactly?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:59 am - he doesn't need to bring in the autism aspect - rather than judging people who do not do as he wishes.

What are you even on about here now, exactly?

And, will you provide some examples of where I have, supposedly, 'judged' you people who, supposedly, do not do as I wish?

Also, will you clarify what 'it' is, exactly, which you claim I, supposedly, wish you people would do?

If no, then why not?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:59 am Who do not meet his preferences, which he does not notice are preferences. There are autistic people who in this forum and others manage to avoid this.

And, yet "iwannaplato" is one who does not notice its preferences. While there are mentally sick and dysfunctional people who is this forum and others who manage to avoid this.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:59 am He may well have done that eventually but he was condescended to long before that. Good for Harbal for finally having had enough. He's one of the most patient people I've seen in these forums.

What is 'acceptable', when it is 'acceptable', and 'by who' can do it, is absolutely relative to 'the observer', to 'their views', beliefs, and perspectives.

Also, and once again, what one sees and/or believes is 'condescension' may not be at all. And, it appears, well to 'this one' anyway, that what it considers and calls 'rude' is not and actually is absolutely perfectly acceptable when done by some people, at particular and/or certain times.

Age wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 11:13 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:59 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:42 am Autism’s expression is a different brain braining that’s all.

It would be lovely if he could admit this

It would be, supposedly, lovely if I could admit 'what', exactly, here, "iwannaplato"?
Are you, still not yet aware of how often, and how many times, you allude to some 'thing' but never actually just say nor write, directly, about what 'it' is, exactly?

The person I was responding to will be able to understand from the context. You know, like the quote that sentence was responding to.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:59 am - he doesn't need to bring in the autism aspect - rather than judging people who do not do as he wishes.

What are you even on about here now, exactly?

And, will you provide some examples of where I have, supposedly, 'judged' you people who, supposedly, do not do as I wish?

Also, will you clarify what 'it' is, exactly, which you claim I, supposedly, wish you people would do?

If no, then why not?

Be still now, shhh! silence is where all the true truth power lies. < Divine paradox. No more of these trails against me.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:59 am Who do not meet his preferences, which he does not notice are preferences. There are autistic people who in this forum and others manage to avoid this.

And, yet "iwannaplato" is one who does not notice its preferences. While there are mentally sick and dysfunctional people who is this forum and others who manage to avoid this.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:59 am He may well have done that eventually but he was condescended to long before that. Good for Harbal for finally having had enough. He's one of the most patient people I've seen in these forums.

What is 'acceptable', when it is 'acceptable', and 'by who' can do it, is absolutely relative to 'the observer', to 'their views', beliefs, and perspectives.

Who said anything about acceptable. You should have asked a clarifying question before assuming and responding. Even better: Be still now, shhh! silence is where all the true truth power lies. < Divine paradox.

bahman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:48 am Prove that you experienced meaning!

You and every one, same one, all of us, different but same, is the knowing that cannot be known.

'Meaning' I don't know why you've brought that word up, but lets play along... meaning is a concept known for every one, same one, in knowing, the only knowing there is.

Knowing implies a knower. So for a knower to exist, the knower's existence is wholly contingent upon it's own capacity to reflect itself. It's synonymous to the blind being able to see itself as and through it's own reflection. A metaphor that Jesus talked about, when he said, the blind will see.

Until the blind, another word for pure white light, reflects itself as a living alive colour-less imaged reflection, as an image of the imageless, this image is what validates the deaf dumb and blind kids existence, for without the blind looker looking upon it's own reflection, seeing itself looking back at it's unknowingness is at the same time validating it's own existence, as a known. self evidently showing in its own reflection.

Without the looking there, there is nothing to see HERE.... there is nothing known here. Here and there are one unitary action of seeing and seen. There is no division between the seeing and the seen. One is impossible to divide, because it's everything all at once. So how is division possible, except as a word, in language, in mentation,... which is illusory, because that which cuts reality into two, namely language, words and concepts, and thoughts and ideas, cannot be used to make reality one again, no more than a pair of scissors, an object with no consciousness can make a piece of paper that it's cut in half, whole again.

In fact it's worse than that even.... the reflection in the mirror, the exact copy of itself inverted, validating it's own non-existence as if it appears to exist, isn't even there either.

This irrational nonsense is all proven here... in the mirror trick.... seen here >

Friedrich Nietzsche nailed it when he was/ is quoted as saying....

“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.” ― Friedrich W. Nietzsche

So how does imageless awareness this pure infinite empty space validate it's own all one existence?

By drawing attention back onto itself via projection. Light can do that apparently. The imageless projector and the projected image is what draws attention back onto itself, and it's always a unitary movement, in fact, the movement is relative to itself, which is still, not moving, for it is everywhere at once. So there is nowhere it is not. And nowhere it is.

If there was nothing to be aware of there is no awareness either. In the desire for attention, where energy flows, attention goes. The desire for attention creates something other than itself to validate it's own non-existence as existence. . apparently, in the illusory sense.

When illusions are seen as real...is all because of the (word real) so, is the word real ..really real, yes it is. And no it isn't, it's just a word, it's an illusory appearance in consciousness.

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 11:54 am Friedrich Nietzsche nailed it when he was/ is quoted as saying....

“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.” ― Friedrich W. Nietzsche

In a world with monsters this is definitely a concern.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 12:16 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 11:54 am Friedrich Nietzsche nailed it when he was/ is quoted as saying....

“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.” ― Friedrich W. Nietzsche

In a world with monsters this is definitely a concern.

Nah, but the imagination ( causer) can produce a powerful effect of it's own making..

So nothing to fear but fear itself, as that which can imagine, is literally made out of the same stuff it is floating in, namely space.

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 12:22 pm

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 12:16 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 11:54 am Friedrich Nietzsche nailed it when he was/ is quoted as saying....

“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.” ― Friedrich W. Nietzsche

In a world with monsters this is definitely a concern.

Nah, but the imagination ( causer) can produce a powerful effect of it's own making..

So nothing to fear but fear itself, as that which can imagine, is literally made out of the same stuff it is floating in, namely space.

So, how does one avoid victim-blaming if we see fear as causal? I can see how to avoid saying it, but how is it not there (for the hurt or raped or...etc. person) in the law.

Anyway N thought there were monsters but that one with vigilence would avoid becoming them, while fighting them.

What is viral and contagious? How good is your immune system? These can be mulled.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:59 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:42 am …so give people some slack, we all have a not so nice mean side.

Well, Age, has supposedely transcended all that.

Transcended all of 'what', exactly?

And, what are you basing this claim of yours here on, exactly?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:59 am

I’m fucking sick of the hypocrisy that is human idolisation.

I'm sick of the would-be gurus coming in here on their power trips.

Now her is a prime example of why the human beings, back then, when this was being written, took so very, very long.

It was this APE-thinking that was holding and keeping them back.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:59 am And by here I mean incarnation/manifestation. Coming in with their partial knowledge and claiming to know or have access to all truth, when it is clear they do not have this access.

LOL

Absolute APE-thinking once more.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:59 am I am tired of people directly or indirectly claiming not to be human.

And, how tired are you?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:59 am Not in your sense of there not being humans but rather a oneness. In the sense of being a special case that has transcended the human, refers to others as human beings, and cannot admit that they judge, are human, also, have, as you say a not so nice mean side and judge while saying they do not.

And, why do you believe that you are absolutely correct here?

What are you basing your, absolute, belief here on, exactly?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:59 am I also find the degree of denial involved fascinating, horrifying and I also think it is important. That it is good for me, and perhaps others, to really understand what is going on with these entities and their power trips, even if these entities don't realize they are on power trips.

Seems.like you are on a very big power trip 'yourself" here "iwannaplato". But, you do not recognise, and thus do not realise, this, correct?

And, even if you did come-to-learn, and recognize, that you are, you would not admit this, correct?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:59 am You think Age is giving me slack. Do you have any idea how many times I tried to enter his private culture of communication preferences only to be insulted or have what I wrote dismissed? I'm not asking you for slack, but I think it's interesting where you think the slack is needed.

Do you feel that you need or are entitled to some so-called 'slack' here "iwannaplato"?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:59 am Roydop for all his pettiness and using others patterns, was quite humanly sloppy about all this.
Age is a pro by comparison.

Talk about human self-idolization.

But, only a human being like "yourself" could and would have so-called chuman self-idolization', right?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:59 am I don't think he is aware of what he is doing.

you have said this a few times already, and you can also keep thinking this for as long as you like, but I have already informed you of what the actual Truth is, here.

But, and again, you are absolutely free to keep ignoring and missing this, completely.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:59 am And I presume that most of the time he is answering honestly from his perspective. But at the same time he positions himself in ways that are extremely judgmental wihtout acknowledging it.

LOL

'This one' really cannot rid "itself" of projecting here.

'This one' is continually judging others, and negatively, so much, that it, actually, believes that I must also do the same.

Yet there has not been one occasion where I have.

Although this one, obviously, believes, absolutely, otherwise. As it will keep on proving me, absolutely, True and Right here.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:59 am He gets angry and sometimes nasty, but denies it.

LOL This is how much 'this one' believes, absolutely, that it knows another better, even when the exact opposite has been proved True.

This one absolutely believes that it can know, for absolutely sure, the feelings within another human being from absolutely nothing more than a few letters, or symbols, places on a screen in front of it.

Which goes to show just how Truly CLOSED some.himan beings really could be, and were, back in the very 'olden days', when this was being written.

Now, you have,once again, made claims and accusations here 'about me'. So, prove how and when I got, supposedly, angry, and, then prove how and when I got, supposedly, nasty.

If you do not, then how do you think this looks 'on you'?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:59 am I would think he is opting not to look at vague feelings in himself that might let him know what he is denying. Perhaps not. It's part of what brings me badk to him.

Once again, 'this one' will continually 'look at', judge, and 'focus on' 'the other' while completing and utterly ignoring "its" own 'self', and not even seeing and recognizing the actual Wrong that it does.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:59 am And it is fascinating to me the amount of denial there.

Well if you stopped missing and misunderstanding here, then you would already know, exactly, why you and the rest of you adult human beings were and are in denial, in the days when this was and is being written.

Why you all are is not fascinating' to one once they learn and know why you all were 'in denial', back then.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:59 am He's a big boy and he can break off contact with me at any point.

LOL ait now sounds like this one is trying to find, or make up, an excuse for its absolute inability to stop conversing 'with me'.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:59 am If it is unpleasant for him or wrong for him, he knows what he is free to do at any point, which is to simply ignore me. I've ignored him when the unpleasant aspects bothered me enough. He opted to 'leave' once and it lasted about an hour, but he sure knows the option is there.

How many times have you left me, and for what lengths of time, exactly?

Also, when did I opt to so-call 'leave you', exactly?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:59 am I also was born the way I was born. My habits are also coming out of what I experienced.

LOL This proves, absolutely and irrefutably, just how little 'this one' knows of "itself", and here.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:59 am I can be blunt with Age. I've never bought the idea that implicit cut downs, and passive aggressive attacks are somehow better. I'd rather have someone own up to their emotions rather than pretend they are not having them.

Do you own up to just haw angry and frustrating the emotions are here for you?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:59 am And these issues are not restricted to philosophy forums or gurus in formal settings. The games that Age is playing are played all the time, probably most of us have played some of them here and there. Some are centered in them.

Once more absolutely is, directly, talked about here. Things are only alluded to.

Which makes some.wonder if 'this one' even knows the game/s it is playing here.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:59 am There's been a long hold on things by these 'spiritual' entities. A kind of lockdown.

Maybe so, but what these 'things' being alluded to her are, exactly, 'this one' will never inform.anyone of.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:59 am Anyway, if he wants out of the discussion with me, he knows what to do. He has the power and the will. I don't pity him in the least. I could, very likely, feel empathy for him, if he showed other sides of himself.

LOL you have not even got the 'himself' part correct, let alone any of the rest here.

you, still, really do have so much to learn, and understand, here, "iwannaplato", and not just about 'I' but even also about 'you', personally.

One day you might, also, become open enough to learn how to learn, and know, all things here fully, as well.

But, from 'the way' you have been acting, and misbehaving, here, you are a very, very long way off.

Obviously there is only One.

And, why this has not yet been seen, understood, known, and accepted by some of the part of the One and only One is because they parts are very CLOSED and/or only have a very limited view, and perspective, of things.

They are not able to recognise, and see, the actual Truth because they believe that they already know the truth.

one of those parts is the one' here known as "iwannaplato".

it actually presumes and believes that it knows the truth of things, while, laughingly, never actually having sought out verification nor clarification.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 12:23 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 12:22 pm

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 12:16 pm
In a world with monsters this is definitely a concern.

Nah, but the imagination ( causer) can produce a powerful effect of it's own making..

So nothing to fear but fear itself, as that which can imagine, is literally made out of the same stuff it is floating in, namely space.

So, how does one avoid victim-blaming if we see fear as causal? I can see how to avoid saying it, but how is it not there (for the hurt or raped or...etc. person) in the law.

Anyway N thought there were monsters but that one with vigilence would avoid becoming them, while fighting them.

What is viral and contagious? How good is your immune system? These can be mulled.

The devil is in the details, a still mind is like a still wind. Be still and trust the flow of life. An effortless flow where no one is living life, rather, life is being lived, for itself, as itself, all alone, all one.

There's simply was is happening, and never what is not happening, because if what is happening was not happening, then what was happening wouldn't be what's happening. Trust what's happening only, and forget about what's not. All that's happening is what's happing now, and right now is the only place anything happens, past is dead, and future never happens.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 12:23 pm So, how does one avoid victim-blaming if we see fear as causal? I can see how to avoid saying it, but how is it not there (for the hurt or raped or...etc. person) in the law.

You create your own instant karma via how you think.

You create your own fear by thinking about fear.

If you are fearful, then there is no other power in this world that can take that fear away for you, all you have to do is OWN it. Be present with it, observe it, and see what it does to you, if anything at all. Where is fear in deep dreamless sleep, where is fear in death, or thought free awareness practices?