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Re: Your republic is fine, stop being weird
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:54 pm
by Gary Childress
henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:47 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:40 pm
henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:27 pm
He has no list. It was manure.
He
does have a list. And it's very long. But he's never asked himself to take stock of what it was, or why he thought he deserved to get it. That's why he thinks the solution to everything is "Socialism": he thinks that Socialist dictators will provide all the things on the list, because they're such decent chaps, after all. And he won't even have to know his own list, to get it all.
I think his list is...
You owe him EVERYTHING.
He owes you NOTHING.
I thought that was your list? Is it possible we are misunderstanding each other?
Re: Your republic is fine, stop being weird
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:56 pm
by henry quirk
Giant South American Anteater not shark.
Come, give us a cuddle.
Re: The American Republic has Ended, What Next?
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:58 pm
by commonsense
How can you call yourself a philosopher when your brain is as permeable as a brick?
You know who I’m talking to.
Re: Your republic is fine, stop being weird
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:59 pm
by Immanuel Can
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:44 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:40 pm
henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:27 pm
He has no list. It was manure.
He
does have a list. And it's very long. But he's never asked himself to take stock of what it was, or why he thought he deserved to get it. That's why he thinks the solution to everything is "Socialism": he thinks that Socialist dictators will provide all the things on the list, because they're such decent chaps, after all. And he won't even have to know his own list, to get it all.
You got me, IC. I surrender. What can I plead? Not guilty?
Well, what's your list, Gary? What do you think the world owes you?
Re: Your republic is fine, stop being weird
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:00 pm
by Immanuel Can
henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:47 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:40 pm
henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:27 pm
He has no list. It was manure.
He
does have a list. And it's very long. But he's never asked himself to take stock of what it was, or why he thought he deserved to get it. That's why he thinks the solution to everything is "Socialism": he thinks that Socialist dictators will provide all the things on the list, because they're such decent chaps, after all. And he won't even have to know his own list, to get it all.
I think his list is...
You owe him EVERYTHING.
He owes you NOTHING.
Seems so. But I'll see if he has a better answer.
Not optimistic, tho.
Re: Your republic is fine, stop being weird
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:01 pm
by Gary Childress
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:59 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:44 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:40 pm
He
does have a list. And it's very long. But he's never asked himself to take stock of what it was, or why he thought he deserved to get it. That's why he thinks the solution to everything is "Socialism": he thinks that Socialist dictators will provide all the things on the list, because they're such decent chaps, after all. And he won't even have to know his own list, to get it all.
You got me, IC. I surrender. What can I plead? Not guilty?
Well, what's your list, Gary? What do you think the world owes you?
No more or less than the world owes you.
Re: Your republic is fine, stop being weird
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:02 pm
by henry quirk
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:54 pmI thought that was your list? Is it possible we are misunderstanding each other?
Only thing I owe you is recognizing and respecting your moral claim to your life, liberty, and property. You owe me nuthin'. It would be
nice if you recognized and respected my moral claim to my life, liberty, and property, but you don't.
And that, kids, is why daddy owns a shotgun.
Re: Your republic is fine, stop being weird
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:04 pm
by Gary Childress
henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:02 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:54 pmI thought that was your list? Is it possible we are misunderstanding each other?
Only thing I owe you is recognizing and respecting your moral claim to your life, liberty, and property. You owe me nuthin'.
I'm sorry, Henry, but I think I do "owe" you. I owe you recognition of your moral claim to your life, liberty, and property.
Re: Your republic is fine, stop being weird
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:11 pm
by henry quirk
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:04 pm
henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:02 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:54 pmI thought that was your list? Is it possible we are misunderstanding each other?
Only thing I owe you is recognizing and respecting your moral claim to your life, liberty, and property. You owe me nuthin'.
I'm sorry, Henry, but I think I do "owe" you. I owe you recognition of your moral claim to your life, liberty, and property.
I think you'll give me that only cuz I own a shotgun.
If I didn't you'd be all over me like gravy on rice.
Re: Your republic is fine, stop being weird
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:11 pm
by Immanuel Can
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:01 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:59 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:44 pm
You got me, IC. I surrender. What can I plead? Not guilty?
Well, what's your list, Gary? What do you think the world owes you?
No more or less than the world owes you.
Well, you have life, liberty and property, along with freedom of belief and conscience. That's what the world owes me. So that would mean it owes you nothing more than you've already got.
Re: Your republic is fine, stop being weird
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:12 pm
by Gary Childress
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:11 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:01 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:59 pm
Well, what's your list, Gary? What do you think the world owes you?
No more or less than the world owes you.
Well, you have life, liberty and property, along with freedom of belief and conscience.
That's what the world owes me. So that would mean it owes you nothing more than you've already got.
Funny. I don't remember ever saying the world owed me. Did someone put words in my mouth somewhere?
Re: Your republic is fine, stop being weird
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:18 pm
by Immanuel Can
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:12 pm
Funny. I don't remember ever saying the world owed me. Did someone put words in my mouth somewhere?
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:15 pm
Henry doesn't want anyone to inconvenience him over having any sort of duty to society other than to protect his property (which his body is also apparently a part of).
I assume that was intended as a criticism of Henry's position, was it not? So you must think there's all kinds of other "duties" that Henry is overlooking, there. I just wanted to know what you thought they were.
So the person who opened his mouth on the subject was...you.
Re: Your republic is fine, stop being weird
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:20 pm
by Gary Childress
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:18 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:12 pm
Funny. I don't remember ever saying the world owed me. Did someone put words in my mouth somewhere?
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:15 pm
Henry doesn't want anyone to inconvenience him over having any sort of duty to society other than to protect his property (which his body is also apparently a part of).
I assume that was intended as a criticism of Henry's position, was it not? So you must think there's all kinds of other "duties" that Henry is overlooking, there. I just wanted to know what you thought they were.
So the person who opened his mouth on the subject was...you.
Does the word "owe" appear in what I said, oh great swammi?
Re: Your republic is fine, stop being weird
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:22 pm
by Immanuel Can
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:20 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:18 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:12 pm
Funny. I don't remember ever saying the world owed me. Did someone put words in my mouth somewhere?
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:15 pm
Henry doesn't want anyone to inconvenience him over having any sort of duty to society other than to protect his property (which his body is also apparently a part of).
I assume that was intended as a criticism of Henry's position, was it not? So you must think there's all kinds of other "duties" that Henry is overlooking, there. I just wanted to know what you thought they were.
So the person who opened his mouth on the subject was...you.
Does the word "owe" appear in what I said, oh great swammi?
No. But the term "duty to society" does, which implies "owed to society"...so you must think that the individual has some such duty or "owing", and it must be some you think Henry is failing to recognize.
So what is it?
Re: Your republic is fine, stop being weird
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:24 pm
by Gary Childress
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:22 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:20 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:18 pm
I assume that was intended as a criticism of Henry's position, was it not? So you must think there's all kinds of other "duties" that Henry is overlooking, there. I just wanted to know what you thought they were.
So the person who opened his mouth on the subject was...you.
Does the word "owe" appear in what I said, oh great swammi?
No. But the term "duty to society" does, which implies "owed to society"...so you must think that the individual has some such duty or "owing", and it must be some you think Henry is failing to recognize.
So what is it?
Is "duty" owed or is it something a person does without "owing" it?