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Wizzz have u heard the parable of the giraffe and the dog? It's educational as well as fun. I think you'll like it.

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxZikKGPmCE5 ... BQ3ziCqq0R

promethean75 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:21 pm Wizzz have u heard the parable of the giraffe and the dog? It's educational as well as fun. I think you'll like it.

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxZikKGPmCE5 ... BQ3ziCqq0R

Man, Lauren Southern used to be a QTpie... she got plastic surgery though, after she went through her latest husband.

I think Faith Goldy was hotter among the Dissident Right movement though... super hot, back when she was active a few years ago.

"she got plastic surgery though"

Maybe she tried to hide her identity after Shaun humiliated her in demographic statistics analysis, i dunno.

Still a QT tho. I'd watch game of thrones with her.

You do realize that tens of millions of illegal aliens are coming to a backyard near you, right?

The US dollar is fucked. You better start saving for retirement now.

Well that's what happens when capitalism concentrates wealth in a country neighbored by poverty stricken second world regions such as mehico and central ermerica. Workin folks tryda cross the border so they can find a better life in the more wealthy country that neighbors them...

... under the instruction of... wait for it.... the jew

promethean75 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 1:02 pm Well that's what happens when capitalism concentrates wealth in a country neighbored by poverty stricken second world regions such as mehico and central ermerica. Workin folks tryda cross the border so they can find a better life in the more wealthy country that neighbors them...

... under the instruction of... wait for it.... the jew

No no, let's not get Anti-Semitic here...

It's the fault of the Democratic Party Jews!

It's a bit of pickle you're in, actually. Much of ermerica's wealth owes itself to the low wage manufacturing and services jobs that immigrants have here. So, in a certain sense, the Right is tryna prevent the very thing that made its favored system (capitalism) flourish so well.

Now the workin man conservative believes that the conservative bourgeois (big business owners) really don't want to outsource their work force or employ low wage immigrants, see. But they do. There's a glaring ideological split in conservative Right base by virtue of this.

Now the question is: why is the hardworkin red ball cap wearin magatard proletariat endorsing a party that does not work in his interests? Two reasons: country pop music and red scare propaganda.

Every time a conservative politician mutters the phrase 'radical left', a little alarm goes off in the magatards head and the hamster starts runnin.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 1:41 pm It's a bit of pickle you're in, actually. Much of ermerica's wealth owes itself to the low wage manufacturing and services jobs that immigrants have here. So, in a certain sense, the Right is tryna prevent the very thing that made its favored system (capitalism) flourish so well.

Now the workin man conservative believes that the conservative bourgeois (big business owners) really don't want to outsource their work force or employ low wage immigrants, see. But they do. There's a glaring ideological split in conservative Right base by virtue of this.

Now the question is: why is the hardworkin red ball cap wearin magatard proletariat endorsing a party that does not work in his interests? Two reasons: country pop music and red scare propaganda.

Every time a conservative politician mutters the phrase 'radical left', a little alarm goes off in the magatards head and the hamster starts runnin.

Trust me, I don't like it anymore than you do. Left or Right, they're both driven by pavlovian bells on the TV. The Uniparty protects its own, first.

What do you think Lockheed Martin and Blackrock plans to do with the tens of millions Juans and Carloses coming in?

(they're gonna draft and send em to Ukraine, after they try to assassinate Trump)

As always I state and restate my own purposes here. It is the only way to avoid the mire: the traps laid by men whose interest it is to shut down and stifle conversation.

Instead of letting that bog me down the strategy I develop is one of asking, and trying to answer, why does this come about? The effect (taking Flash's responses for an example) is that the ridicule or the insult, and because it is only a rhetorical device, it drives any conversation into a tit-for-tat in which the actual topics and subjects are lost sight of. What interests me, and amazes me, is the will involved in refusal to consider the views and perspectives of others.

But, and this is the obvious thing and the most important, that mired dynamic is what defines cultural communication in our present. So people come into a space (say a forum for discussing politics, take Debate Politics for example) to discuss issues of the day, but it often happens that their real reason for coming to the space is really to find Their Enemy so that they can engage in unending bickering exchanges that get nowhere.

With that said my *complaint* about Flash is not that he opposes ideas that can be said with some accuracy to have something in common with fascistic ideas, or more extreme Right-oriented ideas, or ideas that are part-and-parcel of rigidly defined cultural/religious ideology, and even (or especially) ideas that are critical of democracy and Liberalism, and social orientations that originate in cultural chauvinism, race realism and even overt racialism, but rather that his real object is to put up blocks so that it becomes impossible to calmly and carefully examine the propositions and to understand why people seem, perhaps more now, to resort to these ideas.

One need not accept the ideas one examines, nor be a champion or apologist for them, when one examines differing POV. It is only in this sense that I use the term *philosophy* and *philosophical conversation* here in this context of discussion. These are not exchanges between philosophers debating some academic philosophical point, it is rather people with specific cultural affiliations discussing current events.

My *strategy*, such as it is, is just to notice it, talk about it, and label it for what (I believe) it is. And that is essentially to block the discussion of certain ideas declared to be *beyond the pale*. I am interested in the mechanism of self-censorship and, as Jonathan Bowden talks about, 'a European grammar of self-intolerance'. A certain idea arises in the mind and it is undercut immediately. Certain ideas are pre-tainted with a sense of queasiness and *wrongness* such that whole areas of thought are off-limits.

So then, and as it seems and indeed as it is, there are people writing and discoursing in our present who take a critical, idea-based, coherent and intellectually responsible position in respect to the ideological construct of our day -- those *truths* that we have absorbed, in short our cultural, social, political and ideological programming -- and who revisit the topics with a revisionist's outlook.

In my own case, as when I began a process of challenging my own progressive assumptions and ideological orientation, it happened that I examined the American Civil War from a contrary position (reading among others Richard Weaver's The Southern Tradition at Bay). To put it in reduced terms the common view of the Civil War, is an intensely propagandized set of political notions and determined historical interpretations that are part-and-parcel of "America's civil religion'. They have only a slight relationship to *truth* and have far more to do with political and social manipulation. The actual truth, when one confronts it, paints a very very different picture that has to do with power-dynamics. It is not in any sense a difficult concept, indeed everyone knows it and recognizes it: we live within these semi-true and also semi-false constructs that can be described, or interpreted as 'civil-religions'.

When these civil religious constructs are challenged, and I would strongly suggest that in America today, as in other places, that deconstruction is a primary activity within the Culture Wars and in relation to the interpretation of America, established political and social views (civil religious notions) are being turned on their head. But here is the interesting thing: it is a confused, chaotic, raw and turbulent process not unlike a guessing game. People who had received cultural and national narratives who then find reasons to challenge those received narratives, grope to arrive at others that appear to them to be *truer*.

I could easily refer to the video on Rumble that Wizard submitted: Elijah Shaefer, Nick Fuentes, and Vincent James (I am familiar to some degree with all of them -- I know little of Gavin McInnes) arrange a strange but interesting conversation/debate with a Jewish fellow, and the topic is a strange mishmash of not altogether very clear ideas and assertions seeming to be of a religious nature basically (?) It is very hard to discern what really is going on there.

But the point I'd make is that these exchanges are carried on by people who strive to arrive at new definitions and interpretations of their world as a result of no longer having faith in conventional narratives. The curious thing, from where I sit, is that they are there having a convivial good-humored conversation. Even Adam Green, who has been classified by the SPLC as a dedicated and acute antisemite, often sets up debate-conversations with serious Rabbis (those who are willing to come on his show and there are a few who are willing).

So what is happening here? And by here I mean *culturally* and out there in the cyber-spheres? Or down in the subterranean regions of opinion and thought? It is all very strange and puzzling.

So let's consider just for a second what I perceive to be somewhat more pointed and (perhaps) better articulated views of genuine ideological opposition to the tenets and ideological constructs of our present. Take for example Johathan Bowden discoursing on a very odd cultural figure of the Postwar, Savitri Devi.

What interests me in the view presented by Bowden is not so much its content, though it is interesting, but rather that it demonstrates how at an idealogical and interpretive level the defined *ball of yarn* of our received histories begins to become undone. There are people who take up ideas and conceptual constructs that they define as operating against the determined flow of time. It is the ultimate rebel's position.

Flash, little brother, I know reading this far cost you a great deal emotionally and perhaps spiritually. As a consolation prize, as an award for genuine and righteous anti-Nazi perseverance, I offer you this.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:50 pmIn the meantime, your little idiot protégé has just unambiguously blamed the Holocaust on the Jews and then he let slip that he wants a racially segregated Europe. He's a Nazi and it really doesn't impress anybody that you think you are too clever to get called one of those names.

Unless the term Nazi is carefully defined, I don't think your term has any meaning at all. Simply put, the way it is used today is similar to boys calling each other *fag*.

The statements you make should be, must be, converted into questions. But the question has to be lifted out of the (civil religious) binary terms. The events in Europe -- Europe's two complex civil wars (really a complex of various wars) -- can only be seen as a co-creation of major and minor European powers and with the US as another primary player. How these events took shape, who really created them and how it came about, is a very different story than some reductionist, binary story that serves a given country's war-aims or the construction of its patriotic national narratives. Within that context, how the Shoah (a similar term to Nakba = Catastrophe) occurred is not a simple tale but a complex tale. The purpose of (what I would call *genuine revisionism*) is to take different analytical tacks than those that have become conventional (and as I say driven by patriotic propaganda and civil religious ideas) and to offer a newer, and one would hope, more realistic picture.

Jews and Jewish groups were certainly involved and concerned about the events in Europe and of course in Germany, and therefore were actors within the tragedy that took shape, but it would be fallacious to say that Jews engineered the Holocaust, which is really what your stupid bad-faith reductive statement amounts to (that "Wizard has just unambiguously blamed the Holocaust on the Jews") But here's the thing: you function within idiotic reductions. They are your speciality. The fact seems to be that you cannot carry on without them. And examining your last 20 posts with the search function this is what you do! It is all you do.

The other idea that you broach is one having to do with European demographics. This is how it stands: in Europe right now there are sectors of the (indigenous) populations of all European nations that have concerns about demographic issues. While I understand that your view is that any such concern is *racist* and bad-evil (i.e. Nazi) you have been made to understand that I view you as one tending to extreme reductionism. Therefore, to counter your statement I simply say that it is not immoral, it is not unethical, and it is certainly not wrong to be concerned about the demographic makeup of one's country. It just isn't. In fact it could very well be a genuine moral and ethical concern.

You see how easy this is Flash? When you use your unfettered mind to examine issues and problems? Is it because you are stupid that you can't or won't? Not at all! It has nothing to do with intelligence. It has to do with self-imposed indoctrination. Can you move beyond this failing? Yes! Easily. Will you? No, you won't.

The interesting issue, from where I sit, is to examine cooly and fairly, how the sort of mind that you have was created. You are one among millions with a similar Pavlovian-like reactiveness. We'd gain insight about you not through making outrageous, likely incorrect or exaggerated statements about you or your civil history and education, but with care and concern and genuine interest. The same interest that is required in arriving at understanding of those, for example, you would oppose.

Flash, I do go into this (and there is even a musical score to listen to as you read) in Chapter 36-37 of The Ten Week Email Course. You are a pistachio nut without a crack, and so it would be pretty hard to get to you, but I for one will not give up.

Nevah!

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 4:25 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:50 pmIn the meantime, your little idiot protégé has just unambiguously blamed the Holocaust on the Jews and then he let slip that he wants a racially segregated Europe. He's a Nazi and it really doesn't impress anybody that you think you are too clever to get called one of those names.

Unless the term Nazi is carefully defined, I don't think your term has any meaning at all. Simply put, the way it is used today is similar to boys calling each other *fag*.

As he zipped up his trousers, he admired his own handiwork: a slimy line of splooj that started at the boy's ass-crack and zigzagged up to his shoulder blades. Jacobi hated the silly little queers who let him shove his alpha-male hetero-dick up their buttholes. "Seeya tomorow fagboy" he shouted as he left the apartment to go visit his wife and try to leave some splooj there too.

As he drove his entirely hetero car to his entirely hetero house, he contemplated how easy it is to not be queer, all you have to do is be the pitcher not the catcher. Same as nobody can call you a nazi if you are only a dispassionate scholar, merely taking an interest in all the good reasons there might be, according to some, for you to kill lots of Jews. There's always a "no-homo" loophole if you know how to award it to yourself.

"Dear diary", Jacobi wrote in his most elaborate script at the end of a long heterosexual day, "today I took a dispassionate scholarly tour of 7 rentboy's bottoms, which I licked, tickled and fucked in the most non-gay way ever until my dick practically fell off".

I admit it: that is a really complex and odd definition for Nazism. But you can only work with what you have at your disposal.

Flash Douchpants barely has two IQ digits to rub together; you're wasting your time trying to "reason" with his type, Alexis.

Just IMO.

Flash Retard doesn't understand, that when inevitably the next Real Nazi uprising happens, again, that he'll have worn out the "NAZIIIIII!!!" generalization so much, that the boy-who-cried-wolf, won't receive any help. Same as the Liberal-Leftists have done against Trump and the Conservative-Rightwing Whites in America. These retards think that calling the descendants, of those who defeated Nazism in Europe, of those who fed the dilapidated starving bodies of Flash's grandpa and grandma, are effective or doing themselves some sort of favor.

Really, they're just very, very stupid. But Jews and Judaism kind of receive their 'Spirit Power' from being absolutely hated and resented by everybody else. They can't stand being amicable and well liked, with calm relaxed relationships with white people. Their paranoia and neuroticism eventually reasserts itself and dominates their mind. It's why Jews, like Flash here, repeat history. It's why they can't stand being joked about or raspberried.

They start accusing strangers of being Nazis, those strangers start becoming Nazis, because why not? and because the accusation no longer makes sense, and Voi La! history repeats. They have created their Demons, once again.

They have summoned Hitler 2.0.

(And prom thinks summoning demons isn't real... oof!)

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 1:02 am Flash Retard doesn't understand, that when inevitably the next Real Nazi uprising happens, again, that he'll have worn out the "NAZIIIIII!!!" generalization so much, that the boy-who-cried-wolf, won't receive any help. Same as the Liberal-Leftists have done against Trump and the Conservative-Rightwing Whites in America. These retards think that calling the descendants, of those who defeated Nazism in Europe, of those who fed the dilapidated starving bodies of Flash's grandpa and grandma, are effective or doing themselves some sort of favor.

Really, they're just very, very stupid. But Jews and Judaism kind of receive their 'Spirit Power' from being absolutely hated and resented by everybody else. They can't stand being amicable and well liked, with calm relaxed relationships with white people. Their paranoia and neuroticism eventually reasserts itself and dominates their mind. It's why Jews, like Flash here, repeat history. It's why they can't stand being joked about or raspberried.

They start accusing strangers of being Nazis, those strangers start becoming Nazis, because why not? and because the accusation no longer makes sense, and Voi La! history repeats. They have created their Demons, once again.

They have summoned Hitler 2.0.

So the real nazis are you, but in the future, because you only become real nazis as a reaction to being called nazis?

Weird fucked up little guy aren't you?