Philosophy Now Forum

Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:37 am

Maia wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:46 am

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:18 am I understand that the sight of letters are different than linguistics via words only.

You're missing out on how NOT-Germanic English really is.

The case you're making...we may as use Greeks as the standard of our linguistics seeing how Philosophy is dominated by Greek concepts. Does this therein mean English people are Greek? Or that our language is Greek?

I think you are over-estimating the Germanic impact.

Old English was almost entirely Germanic in its grammar and vocabulary. This is not surprising, since the Anglo-Saxons came from Germany.

The language was later influenced by Danish, through the Viking invasions. This is still reflected in Northern dialects, in particular. But Danish is also Germanic, and closely related to Old English.

Later, after 1066, it was heavily influenced by Norman French, certainly in terms of vocabulary, rather than grammar. But most of the everyday words we use are still Old English in origin.

It's almost as if Wizard22 doesn't know what he's talking about, isn't it?

Maia wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:40 am

Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:37 am

Maia wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:46 am

Old English was almost entirely Germanic in its grammar and vocabulary. This is not surprising, since the Anglo-Saxons came from Germany.

The language was later influenced by Danish, through the Viking invasions. This is still reflected in Northern dialects, in particular. But Danish is also Germanic, and closely related to Old English.

Later, after 1066, it was heavily influenced by Norman French, certainly in terms of vocabulary, rather than grammar. But most of the everyday words we use are still Old English in origin.

It's almost as if Wizard22 doesn't know what he's talking about, isn't it?

Shockingly, I think that may well be the case.

Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:57 am

Maia wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:40 am

Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:37 am

It's almost as if Wizard22 doesn't know what he's talking about, isn't it?

Shockingly, I think that may well be the case.

Mmm, how strange. I mean, he's not a complete and utter idiot, yet he seems to go out of his way to come across as one. Or perhaps he's not going out of his way.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:26 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 1:24 pmI told you correctly that the banks are owned by almagamations of shareholders,

Shareholders are not Jewish or Zionist? Really? Who's pushing money through Wall Street, only rich goy Nazis and nobody else?

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:26 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 1:24 pmnot a cabal of Jews.

Jews are idealistic about their Messianism and racial-tribal identification. They act in their best interests, as does every other biological group qualifier in existence.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:26 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 1:24 pmWhy did you write a bunch of weird shit about noticing stuff instead of just aknowledging your error?

Because dealing with Slander and Defamation, requires that I "put you in your place" so-to-speak, knock you down a few pegs...which comes effortlessly.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:26 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 1:24 pmI corrected your mistake about who runs the Fed and what their religion is, you ignred that too.

You made a bad and false counter-argument. As-if the United States FED would decline an order from Janet Yellen to raise or lower interest rates...(they wouldn't)

Because the US Executive Branch has power over the FED, and can dictate terms to it. Banks require Military protection, to exist.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:26 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 1:24 pmI asked you how you think the CCP is a race. It's a political party, how the fuck ycould it be a race? Your response, something about "all one race" that had nothing to do with the point.

The CCP is comprised of racially pure, homogeneous ethnic Han Chinese.

They do not allow outsiders into their Government.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:26 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 1:24 pmYou keep trying to insult me with accusations of jewishness, that's because you kind of are a bit of a nazi.

It's because you kind of are a bit of a yid.

That's why you took it personally when I sarcastically claimed that Zelensky is an Israeli puppet sent to blood sacrifice millions upon millions of Slavs to their death, in order to re-summon Satan onto Earth.

Unable to 'read the room', you were triggered, because of your identity, to defend your kinsmen from racist hill billy redneck NAZIS!!! Foolishly you attacked...without knowing your opposition. I am not racist, not a hill billy, not a redneck, not a nazi, and so you have literally no worthwhile slander. Instead you only expose yourself.

So if I make a joke at Jewish' peoples' expense, it means I hate them? You hate everybody you joke about? You hate everybody you criticize? Maybe to a simple-minded, buffoon, I suppose so.

Again, Philosophy means that nobody is immune from criticism, least of all "God's Chosen Ones". (As if God can't pick a new favorite? Or the Israelites can't muff it up and fall out of favor? As-if things never change?)

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:30 amYou would have to have a revolution. Kill all the economists.
Currently, civil servants and politicians have all been schooled in this economic model. This means that the 1% control everything to their own advantage, in a decreasing spiral, of tax breaks for the rich, and relocating manufacturing outside the West. That is why there is a significant structural decline in Western economies. But the rich are too busy yachting around between the Crib and Monaco to notice.

There is a new model called Modern Monetary Theory which answers many of the problems.
There is an easy-to-read introduction if you are interested.
"The Deficit Myth" Stephanie Kelton

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:58 amDoes not mean anything of the kind.
Greek we get third hand via Latin, or as a reintroduction via the Renaissance and Enlightenment science.
Even the word "greek" is not Greek.

But our base is German: father, mother brother, earth, wind and fire, hound, house, street, child, foot, heart, day, night, Friday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Young, Good, Eye, Ear Tree, Book, Rain, snow, friend, King, light, dark.
These are foundational common basic words.

English and German are forms of the same language.
If you know basic German words you have an English vocac.

You could get by without knowing the word "Orchestra".
This word is originally Greek. But it did not even come to us from Greece. It comes into English in the 16thC, probably from Germany but because of a pan European development in music which required the acquisition of a new word. So the fact that all Europe uses the word does not even imply a Greek influence, but a borrowing.
Democracy.
This word, although Greek is acquired via Latin in the Medieval period. But that does not mean Anglophone countries were influenced by Greece through the word. "Barbarian" democratic systems were common place before Rome, and continued in Scaninavian countries until crushed in the Christian period.
Each Greek word has its own history. But there is no continuity. Englsih is an evolved German language, as is modern German.

The Greek language gave us : all the -ologies; biology, geography, etc..
We acquired these when Greece did not even exist, as under the yoke of the Turk.

The reason for this was because there was a Pan-European community of scientists who communicated with each other mainly in Latin.
It might surprise you to learn that "Biology" was a word coined in English as late as 1819, and Geology as late as 1790s.
So the use of such words does not imply a Greek influence, as such.

Maia wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:46 amOld English was almost entirely Germanic in its grammar and vocabulary. This is not surprising, since the Anglo-Saxons came from Germany.

The language was later influenced by Danish, through the Viking invasions. This is still reflected in Northern dialects, in particular. But Danish is also Germanic, and closely related to Old English.

Later, after 1066, it was heavily influenced by Norman French, certainly in terms of vocabulary, rather than grammar. But most of the everyday words we use are still Old English in origin.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:53 pm
You, Maia, and Harbal all need to take some history, culture, linguistic lessons...

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:56 pm more later.

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:17 pmOh, God.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:56 pm Not enough time to address Skepdick's response and Flash's mindfarts right now....more later.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:53 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:58 amDoes not mean anything of the kind.
Greek we get third hand via Latin, or as a reintroduction via the Renaissance and Enlightenment science.
Even the word "greek" is not Greek.

But our base is German: father, mother brother, earth, wind and fire, hound, house, street, child, foot, heart, day, night, Friday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Young, Good, Eye, Ear Tree, Book, Rain, snow, friend, King, light, dark.
These are foundational common basic words.

English and German are forms of the same language.
If you know basic German words you have an English vocac.

You could get by without knowing the word "Orchestra".
This word is originally Greek. But it did not even come to us from Greece. It comes into English in the 16thC, probably from Germany but because of a pan European development in music which required the acquisition of a new word. So the fact that all Europe uses the word does not even imply a Greek influence, but a borrowing.
Democracy.
This word, although Greek is acquired via Latin in the Medieval period. But that does not mean Anglophone countries were influenced by Greece through the word. "Barbarian" democratic systems were common place before Rome, and continued in Scaninavian countries until crushed in the Christian period.
Each Greek word has its own history. But there is no continuity. Englsih is an evolved German language, as is modern German.

The Greek language gave us : all the -ologies; biology, geography, etc..
We acquired these when Greece did not even exist, as under the yoke of the Turk.

The reason for this was because there was a Pan-European community of scientists who communicated with each other mainly in Latin.
It might surprise you to learn that "Biology" was a word coined in English as late as 1819, and Geology as late as 1790s.
So the use of such words does not imply a Greek influence, as such.

Maia wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:46 amOld English was almost entirely Germanic in its grammar and vocabulary. This is not surprising, since the Anglo-Saxons came from Germany.

The language was later influenced by Danish, through the Viking invasions. This is still reflected in Northern dialects, in particular. But Danish is also Germanic, and closely related to Old English.

Later, after 1066, it was heavily influenced by Norman French, certainly in terms of vocabulary, rather than grammar. But most of the everyday words we use are still Old English in origin.

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Old_Engli ... %20and%20c.

The English alphabet, "Alpha-Beta" is mostly Græco-Roman, only a few letters like U, K, F, X, are based on German runes. The rest are Latin.

As you admitted, most educational fields are Greek. Most medical terms are Greek.

The calendar is Roman.


You, Maia, and Harbal all need to take some history, culture, linguistic lessons...

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:45 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:30 amYou would have to have a revolution. Kill all the economists.
Currently, civil servants and politicians have all been schooled in this economic model. This means that the 1% control everything to their own advantage, in a decreasing spiral, of tax breaks for the rich, and relocating manufacturing outside the West. That is why there is a significant structural decline in Western economies. But the rich are too busy yachting around between the Crib and Monaco to notice.

There is a new model called Modern Monetary Theory which answers many of the problems.
There is an easy-to-read introduction if you are interested.
"The Deficit Myth" Stephanie Kelton

That might happen if inflation gets high enough throughout the West. Problem is, the ultra-rich simply take their fleets of yachts to new shores when they see the pitchforks coming.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:53 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:58 amDoes not mean anything of the kind.
Greek we get third hand via Latin, or as a reintroduction via the Renaissance and Enlightenment science.
Even the word "greek" is not Greek.

But our base is German: father, mother brother, earth, wind and fire, hound, house, street, child, foot, heart, day, night, Friday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Young, Good, Eye, Ear Tree, Book, Rain, snow, friend, King, light, dark.
These are foundational common basic words.

English and German are forms of the same language.
If you know basic German words you have an English vocac.

You could get by without knowing the word "Orchestra".
This word is originally Greek. But it did not even come to us from Greece. It comes into English in the 16thC, probably from Germany but because of a pan European development in music which required the acquisition of a new word. So the fact that all Europe uses the word does not even imply a Greek influence, but a borrowing.
Democracy.
This word, although Greek is acquired via Latin in the Medieval period. But that does not mean Anglophone countries were influenced by Greece through the word. "Barbarian" democratic systems were common place before Rome, and continued in Scaninavian countries until crushed in the Christian period.
Each Greek word has its own history. But there is no continuity. Englsih is an evolved German language, as is modern German.

The Greek language gave us : all the -ologies; biology, geography, etc..
We acquired these when Greece did not even exist, as under the yoke of the Turk.

The reason for this was because there was a Pan-European community of scientists who communicated with each other mainly in Latin.
It might surprise you to learn that "Biology" was a word coined in English as late as 1819, and Geology as late as 1790s.
So the use of such words does not imply a Greek influence, as such.

Maia wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:46 amOld English was almost entirely Germanic in its grammar and vocabulary. This is not surprising, since the Anglo-Saxons came from Germany.

The language was later influenced by Danish, through the Viking invasions. This is still reflected in Northern dialects, in particular. But Danish is also Germanic, and closely related to Old English.

Later, after 1066, it was heavily influenced by Norman French, certainly in terms of vocabulary, rather than grammar. But most of the everyday words we use are still Old English in origin.

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Old_Engli ... %20and%20c.

The English alphabet, "Alpha-Beta" is mostly Græco-Roman, only a few letters like U, K, F, X, are based on German runes. The rest are Latin.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 5:06 pmNot remotely relevant.
And not remotely true.
Our alphabet is originally Phoenician.
But words predate any attempt to write them down.
Language is primarily linguistic and not literal.

Maia wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 4:47 pmWhy do you keep going on about the alphabet? It has nothing to do with the language. You could can write a language in any alphabet you like.