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FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:46 am

uwot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:46 amWe can move on either: when you finally understand a point I made back in March 2019, which I have made several times since, and which you still don't understand

I just checked when first I told him he has an untranslatable private language problem. He's been failing to understand that since 2016.

You could see the seeds in his introductory 'ken' post. He gives the impression of sincerity in that, bit dim but mostly harmless. I think he has come off the meds since. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=19040&p=253290#p253290

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 3:25 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 3:07 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 1:32 pm
Was it something obvious and shit like "people will think Ken is stupid"?
Or was it something that actually required foreknowledge of non-obvious outcomes?

I have TOLD YOU ENOUGH TIMES ALREADY. If you REALLY can NOT SEE where it is, then that is NOT my fault.

CLARIFYING QUESTION.... what was your prediction that already came true?

Here is ANOTHER one of 'you', human beings, who writes: "CLARIFYING QUESTION...." before they ask the question.

Are you under some delusion that 'I' or "others" can NOT tell when a clarifying question is posed and asked if you do NOT inform 'us' in advance?

By the way that WAS and IS a CLARIFYING QUESTION.

And, I have INFORMED you ENOUGH TIMES ALREADY now what my prediction was that already came true. If you continually keep MISSING it, then that is of NO CONCERN AT ALL to me. By the way, the predication might have something to do with what triggered this and/or with you CONTINUALLY MISSING it.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 3:27 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 3:21 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 2:12 pm I know who I am, everyone knows who they are.

So, PROVE this. What is the answer to the question; 'Who am 'I'?'

I am FlopDandyPoots, who are you?

And there my friends is ALL THE PROOF that was NEEDED.

uwot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:40 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 12:50 pm

uwot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:33 amWhat is now dangerously close to insanity is any residual hope I have that someone as dim as you could ever understand any of it.

And what you OBVIOUSLY are NOT YET AWARE of IS; what I ACTUALLY DO UNDERSTAND.

Maybe you do Age, but clearly something about how you communicate is failing to get that across.

Yes. I have INFORMED you of this ALREADY.

And, REMEMBER how long did it take to communicate and EXPLAIN that the sun REALLY does NOT revolve the earth BEFORE 'you', human beings, FINALLY just even started to comprehend and understand this FACT?

uwot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:40 pm Have another go at explaining what red shift is evidence for.

Come on "uwot" you can NOT be this STUPID.

Red shift is evidence that some galaxies are moving away from earth, at the current, to the days when this was written, perspective of 'you', human beings.

And, let us NOT FORGET about blue shift, which is evidence that some galaxies are moving closer to earth, at the current, to the days when this was written, perspective of 'you', human beings.

uwot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:49 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:46 am

uwot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:46 amWe can move on either: when you finally understand a point I made back in March 2019, which I have made several times since, and which you still don't understand

I just checked when first I told him he has an untranslatable private language problem. He's been failing to understand that since 2016.

You could see the seeds in his introductory 'ken' post. He gives the impression of sincerity in that, bit dim but mostly harmless. I think he has come off the meds since. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=19040&p=253290#p253290

Keep 'trying' and 'try' as HARD as you like and CAN "uwot".

The MORE you 'try' the BETTER it is for me.

Now. you OBVIOUSLY have absolutely NO PROOF at all for YOUR CLAIM that the Universe IS EXPANDING and DID BEGIN. And, the, so called, evidence you have for YOUR CLAIM absolutely FALLS TO PIECES when LOOKED INTO and DISCUSSED Honestly and OPENLY.

However, with the continual DEFLECTION and DETRACTION of YOURS the longer this is going to take, with you.

But PLEASE carry on the way you are. You are PROVIDING more PROOF for my CLAIMS.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:37 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 3:25 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 3:07 pm

I have TOLD YOU ENOUGH TIMES ALREADY. If you REALLY can NOT SEE where it is, then that is NOT my fault.

CLARIFYING QUESTION.... what was your prediction that already came true?

Here is ANOTHER one of 'you', human beings, who writes: "CLARIFYING QUESTION...." before they ask the question.

Are you under some delusion that 'I' or "others" can NOT tell when a clarifying question is posed and asked if you do NOT inform 'us' in advance?

By the way that WAS and IS a CLARIFYING QUESTION.

And, I have INFORMED you ENOUGH TIMES ALREADY now what my prediction was that already came true. If you continually keep MISSING it, then that is of NO CONCERN AT ALL to me. By the way, the predication might have something to do with what triggered this and/or with you CONTINUALLY MISSING it.

CLARIFYING QUESTION 1.... what was your prediction that already came true?
CLARIFYING QUESTION 2.... why are you trying so hard not to answer CLARIFYING QUESTION 1?

uwot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:49 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:46 am

uwot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:46 amWe can move on either: when you finally understand a point I made back in March 2019, which I have made several times since, and which you still don't understand

I just checked when first I told him he has an untranslatable private language problem. He's been failing to understand that since 2016.

You could see the seeds in his introductory 'ken' post. He gives the impression of sincerity in that, bit dim but mostly harmless. I think he has come off the meds since. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=19040&p=253290#p253290

I see he was doing those redundant little 3 packs of synonyms even then

ken wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2016 5:51 am true, right, or correct

This one is my new favourite.

ken wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2016 5:51 am stupid, dumb, not smart

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:46 pmAnd, REMEMBER how long did it take to communicate and EXPLAIN that the sun REALLY does NOT revolve the earth BEFORE 'you', human beings, FINALLY just even started to comprehend and understand this FACT?

Not as long as it took us to realise that the universe is not static and eternal. You have described yourself as

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 1:11 pmthe MOST UNEDUCATED one in this forum.

I don't know if that is literally true, but you seem determined to prove it and I congratulate you for making a very strong case. The evidence prior to the invention of the telescope is exactly the same as you have prior to an education. You see with your own eyes and you make shit up with your own brain. By your own admission, yours is not a very sharp tool:

ken wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2016 5:51 amLiving with autism I am a very simple and slow person.

That, in a bleeding heart liberal like yours truly, is reason for patience but despite your candour, I think you underestimate your simplicity. There is a culture of mistrust of experts and academics among simple and uneducated people who prefer their wishful thinking to reality. This gives succour to people who really don't know what they are talking about. People like you, Age; people who can admit that they are simple and uneducated, who nonetheless wish anyone listening to believe they understand the world better than people equipped with the best technology and fully functional brains. Since the irony has almost certainly escaped you, let me explain: you are arguing against a thesis based on 20th century research and technology by citing a thesis based on 16th century research and technology.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:46 pm

uwot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:40 pmHave another go at explaining what red shift is evidence for.

Come on "uwot" you can NOT be this STUPID.

Red shift is evidence that some galaxies are moving away from earth, at the current, to the days when this was written, perspective of 'you', human beings.

And, let us NOT FORGET about blue shift, which is evidence that some galaxies are moving closer to earth, at the current, to the days when this was written, perspective of 'you', human beings.

Imagine this line of dots is a string of 25 galaxies in an expanding universe:
.........................
These are the same galaxies some time later:
. . . . . . . . . . . . ... . . . . . . . . . .
As you can see, most of them are red shifted, but 3 that are close together are actually moving towards each other and are thus blue shifted. This small anomaly makes no difference to the overall expansion of the line. In the actual universe the numbers are 100 blue shifted galaxies versus 1 000 000 000 000 red shifted. I can only give you the facts, that can go some way to curing your lack of education. How your brain processes those facts is down to mother nature, but whether you let them in is up to you.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 12:33 amI see he was doing those redundant little 3 packs of synonyms even then

This one is my new favourite.

ken wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2016 5:51 am stupid, dumb, not smart

All of which describe him, ken, Age.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 12:25 am

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:37 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 3:25 pm
CLARIFYING QUESTION.... what was your prediction that already came true?

Here is ANOTHER one of 'you', human beings, who writes: "CLARIFYING QUESTION...." before they ask the question.

Are you under some delusion that 'I' or "others" can NOT tell when a clarifying question is posed and asked if you do NOT inform 'us' in advance?

By the way that WAS and IS a CLARIFYING QUESTION.

And, I have INFORMED you ENOUGH TIMES ALREADY now what my prediction was that already came true. If you continually keep MISSING it, then that is of NO CONCERN AT ALL to me. By the way, the predication might have something to do with what triggered this and/or with you CONTINUALLY MISSING it.

CLARIFYING QUESTION 1.... what was your prediction that already came true?

The exact same one as when I previously responded and informed you:
I have TOLD YOU ENOUGH TIMES ALREADY. If you REALLY can NOT SEE where it is, then that is NOT my fault.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 12:25 am CLARIFYING QUESTION 2.... why are you trying so hard not to answer CLARIFYING QUESTION 1?

To teach you what it feels like.

Age wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:13 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 12:25 am

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:37 pm

Here is ANOTHER one of 'you', human beings, who writes: "CLARIFYING QUESTION...." before they ask the question.

Are you under some delusion that 'I' or "others" can NOT tell when a clarifying question is posed and asked if you do NOT inform 'us' in advance?

By the way that WAS and IS a CLARIFYING QUESTION.

And, I have INFORMED you ENOUGH TIMES ALREADY now what my prediction was that already came true. If you continually keep MISSING it, then that is of NO CONCERN AT ALL to me. By the way, the predication might have something to do with what triggered this and/or with you CONTINUALLY MISSING it.

CLARIFYING QUESTION 1.... what was your prediction that already came true?

The exact same one as when I previously responded and informed you:
I have TOLD YOU ENOUGH TIMES ALREADY. If you REALLY can NOT SEE where it is, then that is NOT my fault.

CLARIFYING QUESTION .... please clarify that answer. What was the prediction that has subsequently proved accurate?

uwot wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:26 am

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:46 pmAnd, REMEMBER how long did it take to communicate and EXPLAIN that the sun REALLY does NOT revolve the earth BEFORE 'you', human beings, FINALLY just even started to comprehend and understand this FACT?

Not as long as it took us to realise that the universe is not static and eternal.

To even ASSUME that the Universe could be 'static', let alone is 'static' is just ANOTHER Truly STUPID ASSUMPTION, which 'you', human beings, have made.

Also, WHY would you even say such a thing here, to me.

This has absolutely NOTHING AT ALL to do with absolutely ANY thing that I have said.

uwot wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:26 am You have described yourself as

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 1:11 pmthe MOST UNEDUCATED one in this forum.

I don't know if that is literally true, but you seem determined to prove it and I congratulate you for making a very strong case.

And to make what I am achieving even MORE RELEVANT the MORE 'you' IMAGINE and CONVEY just HOW uneducated I am, in YOUR condescending view and speech of "others", then the MORE this is BENEFICIAL.

uwot wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:26 am The evidence prior to the invention of the telescope is exactly the same as you have prior to an education. You see with your own eyes and you make shit up with your own brain.

If this is what you BELIEVE it true, then you will CONTINUE on IN, and WITH, your OWN BLIND FAITH.

Considering the FACT that there is NO invented and created telescope, in the days when you wrote this, which is ABLE to SHOW the actual EXTENT of the Universe, then the ASSUMPTION that the Universe is finite AND expanding, has been made up by the BRAIN, SOLELY.

Which WILL PROOF my POINT even further.

You OBVIOUSLY are NOT YET ABLE TO CHALLENGE me, and, you have NOT YET been ABLE to back up and support your BELIEF and CLAIM here, so PLEASE just CONTINUE resorting to and SHOWING just HOW MUCH 'you' can BELITTLE 'me', and on HOW MUCH time and effort you will put into doing that INSTEAD of even just 'trying to' find ACTUAL PROOF for YOUR CLAIMS.

If you keep this up LONG ENOUGH, then HOPEFULLY your DETRACTING and DEFLECTING 'tactics' will have WORKED, for you, correct?

uwot wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:26 am By your own admission, yours is not a very sharp tool:

ken wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2016 5:51 amLiving with autism I am a very simple and slow person.

Because 'you', "uwot", are STILL UNAWARE of how the Mind and the brain ACTUALLY WORK 'you' would HAVE this view, and RESORT TO saying this.

However, you are completely UNAWARE of just how DETRIMENTAL this REALLY is to 'you', and that view.

uwot wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:26 am That, in a bleeding heart liberal like yours truly, is reason for patience but despite your candour, I think you underestimate your simplicity.

THINK whatever you like, and the MORE candor 'you' ARE, here in this forum, then the BETTER that is for ALL of 'us', especially 'me'.

uwot wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:26 am There is a culture of mistrust of experts and academics among simple and uneducated people who prefer their wishful thinking to reality.

REALLY?

And what has that got to do with 'me'?

There is ALSO a culture of MISTRUST of, so called, "experts" and "academics" AMONG, so called, "experts" and "academics", AS WELL AS the rest of humanity, including AMONG 'us' VERY SIMPLE and VERY UNEDUCATED ones. And, this is BECAUSE these ones do NOT deserve Trust.

Also, let us NOT FORGET that who the "experts" and "academics" ARE, ALL depends on one's OWN views and perception of things.

For example, the, so called, "experts" and "academics" on that STUPID little debate about "global warming", are the "ones" who are on whatever "side"' 'one' is on.

To PROVE this FACT I could just ask you to PROVIDE the who are ones who you call the "experts" and "academics" on that that subject, and then I could just "another" who in the "other side", and then ask them who are ones who you call the "experts" and "academics". And then, you would say that you are RIGHT while the "other" says the EXACT SAME thing.

So, which one do those of 'us' who are Truly OPEN listen to and accept?

But the way, 'reality' is NOT even AGREED UP and ACCEPTED, let alone KNOWN, among 'you', human beings, in the days when this was written. So, your CLAIM about 'wishful thinking' is ALL 'you' have while you continue MAKING UP these HYPOTHESIZES, THEORIES, ASSUMPTIONS, and GUESS in regards to the REALITY and Truth about thee Universe, Itself.

uwot wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:26 am This gives succour to people who really don't know what they are talking about.

Well considering the FACT that NONE of 'you', in the days when this was written, KNEW thee ACTUAL size of thee Universe this MAKES ALL of 'you' those who REALLY do NOT know what you are talking about. To CLAIM the Universe IS EXPANDING and DID BEGIN, without EVEN KNOWING PROVES that 'you', literally, do NOT YET KNOW what you are TALKING ABOUT here.

uwot wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:26 am People like you, Age; people who can admit that they are simple and uneducated, who nonetheless wish anyone listening to believe they understand the world better than people equipped with the best technology and fully functional brains.

And here, my friends, is ANOTHER example of how these ones were just COMPLETELY and UTTERLY INCAPABLE of HEARING and SEEING. This, AGAIN, was BECAUSE of their CURRENT and WELL MAINTAINED ASSUMPTIONS and BELIEFS.

I have SPECIFICALLY INFORMED THIS 'one' that I do NOT want 'it' to BELIEVE what I am saying. YET this one goes and SAYS and makes the CLAIM that 'it' did here.

Also, through human evolution 'you', human beings, ACTUALLY CLAIM and BELIEVE 'we' have the BEST technology, which to 'us', and 'our' perspective, is about one of the MOST hilarious statements 'you' could make, back in those days. And, just as humorous is your "fully functional brains' remark.

LOOK, you CLAIM the Universe IS EXPANDING and DID BEGIN. You have PROVIDED the evidence for this HYPOTHESIS, and you have ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF for this MADE UP, by "fully functional brain CLAIM. I, however, CLAIM the OPPOSITE. I CLAIM thee Universe is NOT expanding and did NOT begin. I CLAIM thee Universe is infinite AND eternal. I have PROVIDED some evidence for this CLAIM. And, I am YET to PROVIDE ALL the PROOF for this CLAIM. And, when I do this CLAIM can NOT be REFUTED.

uwot wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:26 am Since the irony has almost certainly escaped you, let me explain: you are arguing against a thesis based on 20th century research and technology by citing a thesis based on 16th century research and technology.

But I do NOT and WILL NOT use such THESIS. What you have OBVIOUSLY MISSED is what I have ACTUALLY SAID and WRITTEN, and so you are MISCONSTRUING things here, which are being CLEARLY OBSERVED, and SEEN.

uwot wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:26 am

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:46 pm

uwot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:40 pmHave another go at explaining what red shift is evidence for.

Come on "uwot" you can NOT be this STUPID.

Red shift is evidence that some galaxies are moving away from earth, at the current, to the days when this was written, perspective of 'you', human beings.

And, let us NOT FORGET about blue shift, which is evidence that some galaxies are moving closer to earth, at the current, to the days when this was written, perspective of 'you', human beings.

Imagine this line of dots is a string of 25 galaxies in an expanding universe:

But first an EXPANDING Universe would have to be A POSSIBILITY, let alone AN ACTUALITY to even being to IMAGINE this line of dots, in an expanding Universe.

What you seem to NOT YET COMPREHEND is the FACT that you are ONLY ASSUMING that there is an EXPANDING Universe.

But let us take a LOOK AT what you have here now.

uwot wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:26 am .........................
These are the same galaxies some time later:
. . . . . . . . . . . . ... . . . . . . . . . .
As you can see, most of them are red shifted, but 3 that are close together are actually moving towards each other and are thus blue shifted. This small anomaly makes no difference to the overall expansion of the line.

So, you have drawn a line of dots that fit in with and suit A HYPOTHESIS and YOUR GUESS of things.

ANY one can make up, and draw things, maps, or models, which fit in with and suit their ALREADY HELD VIEWS or BELIEFS. BUT those drawn things, maps, or models do NOT necessarily HAVE TO HAVE ANY thing AT ALL to do with what is ACTUALLY thee Truth of things, the ACTUAL TERRITORY, nor the ACTUAL Reality.

uwot wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:26 am In the actual universe the numbers are 100 blue shifted galaxies versus 1 000 000 000 000 red shifted.

As I SAID and EXPLAINED to you LAST TIME - I KNOW. You have INFORMED us of this FACT a FEW TIMES ALREADY.

But this is ONLY evidence for some HYPOTHESIS, and a GUESS of YOURS. Unless, OF COURSE, you want to CLAIM that thee Universe IS ACTUALLY EXPANDING, and this majority of red shifted galaxies, in relation to the human being perspective of things from earth, is ACTUAL PROOF for this "fact". Is this what you are 'trying to' now CLAIM?

uwot wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:26 am I can only give you the facts, that can go some way to curing your lack of education.

You REALLY seem to be NOT YET be ABLE TO UNDERSTAND that the FACT that MORE galaxies are red shifted, from the perspective of earth, which is, so called, "evidence" for some HYPOTHESIS in NO WAY AT ALL means that the HYPOTHESIS is even remotely correct in anyway.

The HYPOTHESIS was ONLY based off, and from, the FACT that there are more red shifted galaxies than blue shifted ones. But the FACT that there are more red shifted galaxies than blue shifted galaxies does NOT mean, with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY that the Universe IS ACTUALLY EXPANDING.

The IDEA that the Universe COULD BE EXPANDING was based SOLELY on just an INTERPRETATION ONLY, like I have been saying. The red shift data was OBSERVED, and INTERPRETATION was made that this could mean that the Universe EXPANDING. A HYPOTHESIS was born.

So, the HYPOTHESIS was FORMED that the Universe IS EXPANDING, and the evidence for this HYPOTHESIS is the red shift data. Which, it could be argued is just circular reasoning, but this is just the FACT of the matter.

uwot wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:26 am How your brain processes those facts is down to mother nature, but whether you let them in is up to you.

LOL
LOL
LOL

If only you KNEW what you can NOT SEE, YET, and are NOT YET OPEN to.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:24 am

Age wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:13 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 12:25 am
CLARIFYING QUESTION 1.... what was your prediction that already came true?

The exact same one as when I previously responded and informed you:
I have TOLD YOU ENOUGH TIMES ALREADY. If you REALLY can NOT SEE where it is, then that is NOT my fault.

CLARIFYING QUESTION .... please clarify that answer. What was the prediction that has subsequently proved accurate?

WHY?

I have ALREADY TOLD you. A FEW TIMES in FACT.

I suggesting READING what you deliberately MISSED previously, then you SHOULD find it. You may also find out some of the other stuff, which you also MISSED.

Age wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 10:57 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:24 am

Age wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:13 am

The exact same one as when I previously responded and informed you:
I have TOLD YOU ENOUGH TIMES ALREADY. If you REALLY can NOT SEE where it is, then that is NOT my fault.

CLARIFYING QUESTION .... please clarify that answer. What was the prediction that has subsequently proved accurate?

WHY?

I have ALREADY TOLD you. A FEW TIMES in FACT.

I suggesting READING what you deliberately MISSED previously, then you SHOULD find it. You may also find out some of the other stuff, which you also MISSED.

CLARIFYING QUESTION .... please clarify that answer. Where did you tell us which of your predictions has already come true?

Age wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 10:55 amAnd to make what I am achieving even MORE RELEVANT the MORE 'you' IMAGINE and CONVEY just HOW uneducated I am, in YOUR condescending view and speech of "others", then the MORE this is BENEFICIAL.

Then I am happy to have been of service and thrilled that my small place in history is secure.