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Re: Göbekli Tepe
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:29 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Arising_uk wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:28 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
So if I am not on ignore...you are claiming to listen to a loon?
By an' large I listen to all and sundry.
So you listen to loons...do you listen to yourself then?
Re: Göbekli Tepe
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:31 pm
by Skepdick
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:29 pm
Thus foundationalism can be defined, and exists according to a coherentist?
Sure. In the same way that God exists to an atheist.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:29 pm
Incomplete is incomplete by default, thus self negating.
This is not even wrong. A system needs not be complete to be useful.
Re: Göbekli Tepe
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:34 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:31 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:29 pm
Thus foundationalism can be defined, and exists according to a coherentist?
Sure. In the same way that God exists to an atheist.
God is an assumed context to an atheist, considering atheism is hyper relative...atheism creates God.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:29 pm
Incomplete is incomplete by default, thus self negating.
This is not even wrong.
Because it necessitates completeness under the self negation...now it is true.
Re: Göbekli Tepe
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:36 pm
by Skepdick
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:34 pm
Because it necessitates completeness under the self negation...now it is true.
According to which made up necessity?
Completeness, consistency, expressive power. You can't have all three.
Re: Göbekli Tepe
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:37 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:36 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:34 pm
Because it necessitates completeness under the self negation...now it is true.
According to which made up necessity?
It is assumed, and assumption is universal. What can not be more necessary than assumption?
Re: Göbekli Tepe
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:39 pm
by Skepdick
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:37 pm
It is assumed, and assumption is universal. What can not be more necessary than assumption?
That which can be assumed can also be unassumed via choice.
I am still offering to kick you in the balls, then you can choose to unassume the pain.
Re: Göbekli Tepe
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:47 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:39 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:37 pm
It is assumed, and assumption is universal. What can not be more necessary than assumption?
That which can be assumed can also be unassumed via choice.
This is a disconnection of assumption, with disconnection being assumed.
I am assuming void,
I am still offering to kick you in the balls, then you can choose to unassume the pain.
You assume a choice if choice necessitates cause and effect...is it a choice?
Re: Göbekli Tepe
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:49 pm
by Skepdick
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:47 pm
You assume a choice if choice necessitates cause and effect...is it a choice?
I am assuming consequences, not choice. Different choices produce different consequences.
You can choose to let me kick you in the balls. Consequence A.
you can choose to not let me kick you in the balls. Consequence B.
Which consequence would you prefer?
Re: Göbekli Tepe
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:53 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:49 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:47 pm
You assume a choice if choice necessitates cause and effect...is it a choice?
I am assuming consequences, not choice. Different choices produce different consequences.
So choice is the consequence of choice...is this a choice?
You can choose to let me kick you in the balls. Consequence A.
you can choose to not let me kick you in the balls. Consequence B.
Which consequence would you prefer?
The one where you kick yourself in the balls and tell me ot was not your choice...otherwise if only two definitions are involved...its is really a free choice?
Re: Göbekli Tepe
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:55 pm
by Skepdick
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:53 pm
So choice is the consequence of choice...is this a choice?
Some times yes. Some times no. Some times maybe. Some times we don't know.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:53 pm
The one where you kick yourself in the balls and tell me ot was not your choice...otherwise if only two definitions are involved...its is really a free choice?
You are conflating choice with degrees of freedom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degrees_o ... tatistics)
Re: Göbekli Tepe
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:57 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:55 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:53 pm
So choice is the consequence of choice...is this a choice?
Some times yes. Some times no. Some times maybe. Some times we don't know.
So yes is the answer as sometimes can be viewed as a choice of interpreatation?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:53 pm
The one where you kick yourself in the balls and tell me ot was not your choice...otherwise if only two definitions are involved...its is really a free choice?
You are conflating choice with degrees of freedom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degrees_o ... tatistics)
Degrees of freedom of choice observe an absense of choice.
Re: Göbekli Tepe
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:01 pm
by Skepdick
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:57 pm
So yes is the answer as sometimes can be viewed as a choice of interpreatation?
If that's how you choose to interpret it.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:53 pm
Degrees of freedom of choice observe an absense of choice.
Exactly the opposite. They observe too much choice.
Re: Göbekli Tepe
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:05 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:01 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:57 pm
So yes is the answer as sometimes can be viewed as a choice of interpreatation?
If that's how you choose to interpret it.
So choice is a foundation?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:53 pm
Degrees of freedom of choice observe an absense of choice.
Exactly the opposite. They observe too much choice.
If choice is undefined then, because of complexity does it exist?
Re: Göbekli Tepe
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:10 pm
by Skepdick
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:05 pm
So choice is a foundation?
If you insist on rescuing foundationalism. Sure.
There is nothing that can't be interpreted as a foundation.
Carrots! Carrots make a great foundation.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:53 pm
If choice is undefined then, because of complexity does it exist?
Meaning is undefined. Does meaning exist?
Existence is undefined. Does existence exist?
Re: Göbekli Tepe
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 10:40 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:10 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:05 pm
So choice is a foundation?
If you insist on rescuing foundationalism. Sure.
There is nothing that can't be interpreted as a foundation.
Carrots! Carrots make a great foundation.
So definition is useless and coherency negates itself?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:53 pm
If choice is undefined then, because of complexity does it exist?
Meaning is undefined. Does meaning exist?
Existence is undefined. Does existence exist?
Cohernentism is undefined does coherency exist?