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Atla wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:17 am Besides I'm neither hitting on you, nor dancing with you in any sense of the word. No thanks.

Feelings mutual.

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Atla wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:45 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:14 am Try not to step on the toes, when attempting to dance in perfect snyc with your opponent.

Why do you care when you said you don't care, and why do you imagine a fight? The things you "hit back" with are also pretty confused btw.

Such appears to be one person's senseless blatherings into a void due to their disassociation with it. They speak of oneness, but continually manifest separateness and disconnection.

Tethering themselves to certain teachings, they distort that into justification for their reality. However, there is no consistency or integrity. And no standards for truth. Dishonesty and delusion don't matter because there is "no one" there, according to them. Still, there is a manic spin of "something", repeating words/phrases over and over as if trying to maintain a self-serving and self-protective trance, and preventing anything but very superficial connection with those who might be seen as "allies" (aka non-attackers, non-challengers, non-questioners).

I've had several experiences with unhinged people. I remain aware of their spirit within, while recognizing and interacting with their erratic, erupting energy. I do believe they are in control... even of being out of control. I once connected with someone who was completely flipped out, and I saw him choose to "come back". From screaming and thrashing with rage, to calmly reasoning and connecting. He denied having ever been unhinged, however -- as if it hadn't happened. Perhaps the mind and ego cannot admit or take responsibility for its reckless creative power. This makes humans dangerous to all.

This is surely why I've interacted with such people in such ways on this forum. I'm sure that there can be connection, peace, and love within and between everyone. So when I see people absurdly elevating themselves above others and acting in deranged ways, I play a feisty game right back at them as I ask why... and ask what they're getting out of it.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:01 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:45 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:14 am Try not to step on the toes, when attempting to dance in perfect snyc with your opponent.

Why do you care when you said you don't care, and why do you imagine a fight? The things you "hit back" with are also pretty confused btw.

Such appears to be one person's senseless blatherings into a void due to their disassociation with it. They speak of oneness, but continually manifest separateness and disconnection.

Tethering themselves to certain teachings, they distort that into justification for their reality. However, there is no consistency or integrity. And no standards for truth. Dishonesty and delusion don't matter because there is "no one" there, according to them. Still, there is a manic spin of "something", repeating words/phrases over and over as if trying to maintain a self-serving and self-protective trance, and preventing anything but very superficial connection with those who might be seen as "allies" (aka non-attackers, non-challengers, non-questioners).

I've had several experiences with unhinged people. I remain aware of their spirit within, while recognizing and interacting with their erratic, erupting energy. I do believe they are in control... even of being out of control. I once connected with someone who was completely flipped out, and I saw him choose to "come back". From screaming and thrashing with rage, to calmly reasoning and connecting. He denied having ever been unhinged, however -- as if it hadn't happened. Perhaps the mind and ego cannot admit or take responsibility for its reckless creative power. This makes humans dangerous to all.

This is surely why I've interacted with such people in such ways on this forum. I'm sure that there can be connection, peace, and love within and between everyone. So when I see people absurdly elevating themselves above others and acting in deranged ways, I play the game right back at them as I ask why... and ask what they're getting out of it.

That's fine, I'm mainly here for the entertainment as well. Gave up on serious discussions on this forum months ago.

I tried to explain to DAM what proper nondualism is actually about, but I think her mind is really physically split since childhood. So in a way she really experiences two realities and thinks she's a multidimensional being here on a mission.

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:11 pm That's fine, I'm mainly here for the entertainment as well. Gave up on serious discussions on this forum months ago.

It's all vanity and entertainment including my shit. The play of the one, for my entertainment only, no matter how that manifests. It is what is it, proper or not, get over it already, you stupid man child.

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The nature of God can be a tricky magical imaginative subject for the relative mind.

God in my opinion is EVERTHING and NOTHING ...THIS ...UNKNOWN SOURCE ENERGY MANIFEST KNOWN.


Think seriously think about the nature of consciousness. Dualistically speaking, there have been cases of brain-dead (clinically) people ..whose body has been kept 'alive' artificially. There's no one there, though. There's no response, no brain activity - nothing. Apart from cases of clinical error in declaring brain death, those people do not return to life when the life support system is switched off.


The problem is, Nondualistically speaking, those people do not return to life because there was no person there in the physical body organism in the first place to come back,return to life.

The physical manifestation of energy consciousness goes through repeated endless cycles of recycling the material to create new forms out of the old, from new to old, to new, to old endlessly. Nothing is born nor dies, everything is just intelligent conscious source energy vibrating at different frequencies according to how ever the material form manifests be it as a crystal or a rock or a cat or a human body..it's all just material. The concepts that arise is the same intelligent conscious energy.
The point is, there is no rock in a rock, there is no crystal in a crystal, there is no cat in a cat. There's just Consciousness which is this living source energy.

Just as there is no leaf in a leaf ..when the leaf drops from the tree, the leaf acts as a fertiliser and food for the tree promoting new leaves, it's a self sustaining feedback loop, life constantly feeding and growing off of itself, without beginning nor end.

This is a dream dreamt by no one, the dream is all there is.


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One has to be extra careful when using the word energy since it has both a scientific and a spiritual meaning and they
are not interchangeable. Therefore when I say energy I mean only in the scientific sense. I never use it in the spiritual
sense. So for me energy is mass that cannot be created or destroyed and the total mass energy of the Universe is zero
One could say that zero represents non duality but that is mixing spirituality with science and this is is not acceptable

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:39 pm One has to be extra careful when using the word energy since it has both a scientific and a spiritual meaning and they
are not interchangeable. Therefore when I say energy I mean only in the scientific sense. I never use it in the spiritual
sense. So for me energy is mass that cannot be created or destroyed and the total mass energy of the Universe is zero
One could say that zero represents non duality but that is mixing spirituality with science and this is is not acceptable

Viewed as an unspiritual phenomenon, God is energy.

Reflex wrote: ↑Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:38 am
Viewed as an unspiritual phenomenon, God is energy.

Thankyou. ''Source'' needs no middleman.

It just manifests and there it is.

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1. God is everything and nothing

Also, God is energy
Energy is less than everything and more than nothing

2. God is less than everything and more than nothing

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:39 pm One has to be extra careful when using the word energy since it has both a scientific and a spiritual meaning and they
are not interchangeable. Therefore when I say energy I mean only in the scientific sense. I never use it in the spiritual
sense. So for me energy is mass that cannot be created or destroyed and the total mass energy of the Universe is zero
One could say that zero represents non duality but that is mixing spirituality with science and this is is not acceptable

Spirituality and Science are saying the same things, just so you know.

Science measures what's seen. Spirituality looks at the seer of the seen and sees they are inseparable ONE in the same instant.

Source manifests directly. There is NOTHING behind the sciences. Let science and materialism explain that away....it leads to infinite regression. Source doesn't need a middleman!! It just manifests and there it is.

Boom!!


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Whether it is acceptable or not. You, the you that you think you are, don't get any say in the matter.
Though you think that you are the doer, the doing happens without your thinking.

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I do not have a problem with me not having any say in the matter because my existence is of no real importance
I simply focus on processing what I experience or think so that I can have some basic understanding on what it is

And it would make no difference if the doing happened without my thinking because it would have no effect on me
I am merely an observer and so have no interest in interpreting reality to fit my preconceptions of how it should be

An observer simply sees what is happening without trying to change it in any way
Other than things that do actually affect me I have no interest in changing reality

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:08 am I do not have a problem with me not having any say in the matter because my existence is of no real importance
I simply focus on processing what I experience or think so that I can have some basic understanding on what it is

Agreed.

On the human level, I have no problem with your nuances regarding the OP. Your say is just as important as anyone elses. We just have different nuances that's all. People resonant with different paths of knolwedge. They understand that everyone needs to find their own path. Like you say, this is your path, your frequency how you experience it.

And then other people will do same, difference in nuance doesn't mean anything. Just be yourself. One thing I like about you is you never make this personal which I admire very much it teaches me a lot because I'm guilty of this myself.

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:08 amAnd it would make no difference if the doing happened without my thinking because it would have no effect on me
I am merely an observer and so have no interest in interpreting reality to fit my preconceptions of how it should be

That's basicaly what Nonduality is all about, its about resting in the pristine awareness the real self and seeing through the illusion of otherness.

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:08 amAn observer simply sees what is happening without trying to change it in any way
Other than things that do actually affect me I have no interest in changing reality

Agreed.

But then this is just a discussion about God, its not about changing who you are, or changing reality. Views are different according to whats showing, but the looker is always the same one unchanging reality.

Thanks for your valuable input.



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surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:39 pm One has to be extra careful when using the word energy since it has both a scientific and a spiritual meaning and they
are not interchangeable. Therefore when I say energy I mean only in the scientific sense. I never use it in the spiritual
sense. So for me energy is mass that cannot be created or destroyed and the total mass energy of the Universe is zero
One could say that zero represents non duality but that is mixing spirituality with science and this is is not acceptable

The only critisism is the (egoic)> mental activity) caused> separation of science and spirituality, because both words are nought but conceptual ideas (thoughts) and thoughts are nought but interpretations of this unknown ''what is'' (presence)

Adding objects >(thoughts) to presence is an artificial overlay upon what is already present, therefore, illusory. The concept ''Meaning'' is a dualistic energy that can only arise where there is the sense of a separate self, which is an illusion.

However, that's not meant to discredit the conceptual world, for that's all that is known, relatively speaking. Any relative ideas about the absolute is absurd.

No person is a scienctist or a spiritual person, there is only thoughts about such things...within the dualist story of 'other'

The observer is no thing being everything.

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I just do not use the word God as an explanation for anything because as an atheist I do not believe in him
Maybe he does exist but unless my senses or mind can actually justify this I cannot accept it on faith alone

There are other things which may or may not exist but I cannot be certain either way for the same reason
I use my limited senses and cognitive ability to try and make some sense of the world that I do experience

Being an observer involves a sense of detachment which for me is a good thing as it cancels the need for ego
I do not want to be dogmatic about what I think reality is as I could be wrong and so I just observe it instead

The best state of mind would be one of complete and permanent emptiness where the ego cannot penetrate at all
This is not achievable in life only death although one can over time become as detached as is realistically possible

This is what I want to achieve as it will give me the maximum peace of mind that I can have while still alive
When I die and can experience no more I will have attained the state of complete and permanent emptiness