A Philosophy of Mind

[Barbara Brooks]

In ancient times, philosophy had significance in education. There was an eagerness to behold truth and to be nourished in the spirit of philosophy.

Almost no one understands Hegel’s work. Only a few do yet he is one of the greatest philosophers of all time. Actually, Hegel believed only one person understood him and that was Hölderlin the great poet his friend and roommate with Hölderlin and philosopher Schelling.

Hegel even requested he be buried next to Hölderlin. Hegel thought that when philosophy reaches the point of public understanding, it would have value. There is perfection that all philosophy ought to reach and which all students ought attain to, and not to fall short.

Philosophy is the copingstone of all sciences, the final addition of education, and is considered a great advantage in all spheres of science and art. However, takes a considerable amount of trouble spent in learning and disciplining.

Let the other sciences try, as much as they like to get along without philosophy they are unable to have any spiritual significance and truth. Then no matter what criticism is about never refrain from philosophy. Study and understand will enable truth to be known.

[lancek4]

In ancient times, philosophy had significance in education. There was an eagerness to behold truth and to be nourished in the spirit of philosophy.

Almost no one understands Hegel’s work. do you? Only a few do yet he is one of the greatest philosophers of all time. Actually, Hegel believed only one person understood him and that was Hölderlin the great poet his friend and roommate with Hölderlin and philosopher Schelling. have you read Schelling's Berlin Lectures? If you have (they were only somehwat recently published) was it difficult for you to understand what he was saying in reference to Hegel? i havnt read Holderlin; im not so into poetry.

Hegel even requested he be buried next to Hölderlin. Hegel thought that when philosophy reaches the point of public understanding, it would have value. There is perfection that all philosophy ought to reach and which all students ought attain to, and not to fall short. What is this perfection? is it gained through discipline and learning? Perhaps this is where Hegel fell short?

Philosophy is the copingstone of all sciences, the final addition of education, and is considered a great advantage in all spheres of science and art. However, takes a considerable amount of trouble spent in learning and disciplining. I suppose it can. It was no trouble for me, at least in the context you put it here. The learning came naturally; it just made sense. The discipline - i suppose, if one is trying to run for office or make a living for oneself. it is significant Sacrates declined public service.

Let the other sciences try, as much as they like to get along without philosophy they are unable to have any spiritual significance and truth. Then no matter what criticism is about never refrain from philosophy. Study and understand will enable truth to be known.

[lancek4]

Because of lack of education they cannot keep their eyes fixed upon the whole truth are unable to calculate gazes downward dismayed and perplex.

The philosopher is derided by the uneducated always. Intelligence is formed by a method of discipline raising knowledge little by little gradually to the highest. Action and labor is conscious life. Through this comes about universal feeling and reverent devotion to one another.

Being conscious in what is outside self and truth is real world spirit rises out of the state of ignorance into the conscious universal spirit. This sounds very Hegelian to me, and it is, has been shown, to be utter hogwash.


The starry heaven the fairest and most perfect of visible things are to be apprehended by intelligence, to be used as a pattern and with a view to that higher knowledge; any geometrician who sees them appreciates the exquisiteness but would never dream of truth of any proportion. Never can we behold the waking reality so long as we leave unexamined, and unable to give an account of the first principle, then the conclusion, and intermediate are constructed out of know not what.

Knowledge is not to be found anywhere in the field of ignorance, it is not a matter of clever allusive half utterances but an expression of openness, unambiguous, meaningful, and purposeful understanding.

The power of learning exists in the mind just as the eye is unable to turn from darkness to light without mind so too the instrument of knowledge can only be by mind be turned from the world of becoming to that of brightest and best being.

I just pass through this thread of yours to hear how dellusional you must be. You are filled with such emotional-spiritual platitudes, and i dont think you see it. Its as if you have filled you self up with a bunch of 'high philosophical rhetoric' and it has sparked your mind such that what you say sounds "ungrounded" in anything real.
Very idealistic yet somehow holds a practicality about it that launches it into a kind of 'new-age spiritual' moment. Great; if i was that interested in such things, I would take the easiest route: I would believe that Jesus Christ is my savior. as i have said elsewhere: by this, I would not have to have any discipline or learning. or have to be able to sort out the non from the sense. Why would I agree with you when i could just put it in Christ's hands and be a good person. Yours seems so much exteraneous padding to me.

[Barbara Brooks]

That what I am what are you?

[Barbara Brooks]

If you read any of the philosophers you would read the same ideas just written differently.

[Barbara Brooks]

Also, who the hell are you to denounce me as uneducated, I say your a clown!

[Barbara Brooks]

This is not common ordinary intelligence or that kind of institution of higher education where reason is flawed by idleness and self-conceit. There is a perfection all philosophers ought to reach and not to fall short of, only then will the pursuit of philosophy have any value.

Look in the inner self, and do not panic or be struck by ineffective oppressive bullies. They think they are masters of others when they cannot master themselves

Philosophy depends on principles this is the first requisite above all . The true lover of learning must from earliest youth desire all truth?

Knowledge exists in every mind, know thyself turns the world from becoming to that of being.

The sweetness of knowledge embraces freethinking, there there can be nothing so remote we cannot reason.

Then belief is a necessity of thought. Here is where self-consciousness feels satisfied, here morality is a positive objective being.

Faith, which contains within itself all that, is ultimate and essential and all that is concrete and actual is distinct from self-consciousness, Faith falls outside of being, acting, and striving, in the world.

Belief, Hegel believed, consists in the two forms, as the shape and garment in which it clothes its idea of itself but faith lacks within itself completion, was merely determinate which only reveals, viz. belief of self only has the form of free and independent self consciousness.

Philosophy is equivalent to a long course of mental discipline, . only by labor can this profound scientific insight be won. Faith is needed in the discourse of free thinking about Nature and the Human kind.

[lancek4]

If you read any of the philosophers you would read the same ideas just written differently.

we agree here.

[lancek4]

This is not common ordinary intelligence or that kind of institution of higher education where reason is flawed by idleness and self-conceit. There is a perfection all philosophers ought to reach and not to fall short of, only then will the pursuit of philosophy have any value.

Look in the inner self, and do not panic or be struck by ineffective oppressive bullies. They think they are masters of others when they cannot master themselves

Philosophy depends on principles this is the first requisite above all . The true lover of learning must from earliest youth desire all truth?

Knowledge exists in every mind, know thyself turns the world from becoming to that of being.

The sweetness of knowledge embraces freethinking, there there can be nothing so remote we cannot reason.

Then belief is a necessity of thought. Here is where self-consciousness feels satisfied, here morality is a positive objective being. Belief is of the objective; it is of ethics. Yes.

Faith, which contains within itself all that, is ultimate and essential and all that is concrete and actual is distinct from self-consciousness, Faith falls outside of being, acting, and striving, in the world. Your situating of terms is probelmatic to me; but generally, I agree. I would say: faith is that which informs what I know.

Belief, Hegel believed, consists in the two forms, as the shape and garment in which it clothes its idea of itself but faith lacks within itself completion, was merely determinate which only reveals, viz. belief of self only has the form of free and independent self consciousness.

Philosophy is equivalent to a long course of mental discipline, . only by labor can this profound scientific insight be won. Faith is needed in the discourse of free thinking about Nature and the Human kind.

discipline and labor, as you use these terms here, is vague.

You have said elsewhere that the Negative is endless, infinite.
This is avague also. Such a view of the neagtive is itself limited, and reflects a Subject that has only veiwed its void from the Object. It is a view from a Subject rooted in the Object. A view of itself from the Subjct is not infinite, it is redundant.

One thing puzzles me of you Barabara; you seem to have a good interest in Socrates. Why is it you never ask questions? It seems to me that you have a great knowledge of other philophers, and you draw upon this knowledge to state your opinion. But that's all. Great, you have a summary of traditional philosophical thought, and then you propose what it all means.

I am curious: did you study and these philsophers did not make sense until you really studied and then saw that these people were correct? Or did they make sense right off? How have you come to the conclusion that such thinkers are repeating the same thing? Can you give an example of how,say, what Spinoza says is the same thing as Lao Tsu (the taoist guy)?

I dont know what ego is; it is, again, a vague an ethically produced term which usually avoids itself in its indeterminancy.
I feel your certainty of things keeps your in you 'ego'.

what is wisdom? What is mind? Im sure you have ideas about these things but you seem to not care what other possibilities may exist, only that you have to proclaim your version.

[lancek4]

This is not common ordinary intelligence or that kind of institution of higher education where reason is flawed by idleness and self-conceit. There is a perfection all philosophers ought to reach and not to fall short of, only then will the pursuit of philosophy have any value.

Look in the inner self, and do not panic or be struck by ineffective oppressive bullies. They think they are masters of others when they cannot master themselves

Philosophy depends on principles this is the first requisite above all . The true lover of learning must from earliest youth desire all truth?

Knowledge exists in every mind, know thyself turns the world from becoming to that of being.

The sweetness of knowledge embraces freethinking, there there can be nothing so remote we cannot reason.

Then belief is a necessity of thought. Here is where self-consciousness feels satisfied, here morality is a positive objective being. belief is of the objective; it is of ethics. yes.

Faith, which contains within itself all that, is ultimate and essential and all that is concrete and actual is distinct from self-consciousness, Faith falls outside of being, acting, and striving, in the world.

Belief, Hegel believed, consists in the two forms, as the shape and garment in which it clothes its idea of itself but faith lacks within itself completion, was merely determinate which only reveals, viz. belief of self only has the form of free and independent self consciousness.

Philosophy is equivalent to a long course of mental discipline, . only by labor can this profound scientific insight be won. Faith is needed in the discourse of free thinking about Nature and the Human kind.

so much of what you say is so vague it is almost meaningless. every once in a while you might hit on something that actually has significant meaning, and then it seems you thing because someone hears that one phrase that it justifies the rest of you discursive wandering.

discipline and labor, here, are vague terms. In one way I could agree; in another way I would say that it leads only to ingorance flagrant ethical posturing.

And, to say the nagative is infinite regression is a limited proposal; it is the view from the object. The view from the Subject of itself, the negative is not infinite; it is redundant. Only in the proposal of objects does the negative hold the qualitative opposite of the positive; Hegel was only partly correct, and thus showed his faulty method of investigation.

You seem to say many things that have creedence, but I wonder if you have had the 'experience of the idea', so to speak, or if you just see that such thought make sense based upon your experience.

I wonder: You seem quite interested in Socrates; why is it you only proclaim you knowledge but never ask questions?

A chinese Emperor from a while ago, maybe 1100ad ( I could be off a little), made a journey with his armada around SE Asia and the Indian ocean, but not to conquer, though he could have easily subdued any of the settlements of the areas. No; he was so certain of his preeminance, that he was obviously the representation of the pinnacle of the divine order that he merely sailed around so people could witness his majesty. He figured that people would be so impressed that they would be compelled to pay him tribute and homage. Of course, this did not occur.

[lancek4]

(oops. it posted the post that it said an 'internal server error' hadnt posted, so Im sorry if the two posts repeat some things)

[Barbara Brooks]

Socrates believed the harsh feeling that the many entertain towards philosophy originates in the pretenders of philosophy, who rush in uninvited, and are always abusing philosophy nothing can be more unbecoming than this.

In history there are a gallery of noble minds and heroes. If purpose were merely a representation of opinions history would be a very tiresome study.

Turn back to the epoch which took place thousands of years ago showed philosophy in a new light, as a specific contributions to the field of science and intellectual world.

We must watch over philosophy like a good farmers nurture and cultivate it’s qualities, and prevent the wild opinions from growing, but
not in an aggressive spirit but gently and with a view of soothing and removing dislike of knowledge.

[Barbara Brooks]

Skepticism makes the mind capable to test what truth is also brings about despair in regarding views, thoughts, and opinions the skeptics proceed straight away to criticize and test, always seeing in the result as nothing is the end outcome.

The very fact that knowledge comes on the scene is a phenomenon; as the pathway, pressing forward to truth traversing arrives at knowledge of self.

It is said what is begotten has a beginning but the beginning is begotten of nothing, for if it were begotten then the begotten would not come from a beginning.

Belief the necessity of self-confidence, it is a positive objective of what is essential and actual self. Strength of mind is self-consciousness at home with self, actual self, and real self-consciousness. Here is self and reality enclosed within as the shape and garment in which clothes self.

[Barbara Brooks]

The physical boundary of anything has a beginning and end. The most important part of anything has a beginning and end.

What is truth but real existence in other words, the mere assurance of being, just the bare self? The inner self is the ego, the essential real inner essence that comes forward with the world over against it.

The other pervades the whole godly likes relation between inner and outer. Much like the crystal nucleus lets the molecules integrants attach themselves to the surface of the nucleus in a kind of successive array in which depends on series. These nucleus crystals are three-dimensional whole.

Hauy the French mineralogist expound the law of crystallization. That immaterial becomes material by crystallizing the inner continuity through and through where everything is in its place. Crystallization is a silent activity sets forth no action, merely shapes, and links together all the indifferent parts. The universe is an ordered and harmonious whole, partly free and partly conditional the perfect one.

Kepler demonstrates some of the most beautiful, purest, and least tangled ideas ever to be found had complete faith that reason is in the heavens. That sunspots and comets whirl around to the point of separating into different directions to avoid unity they are translucent orbits around the sun and the moon strives as it were the sea and so to quench the thirst causes the ebb and flow of the tides; Kepler believed the sea rises to escape to the moon and the moon snatches it away to itself.

He showed sunspots are elliptical transcending upward whereas moons have motion that is contingent upon some other then itself, moons have no center, no one knows where it begins or ends, it seemingly a passive regular reoccurring succession.

[bobevenson]

Life proceeds in the direction of solid-state electronics. Eventually, we will be seen as dinosaurs.