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So I've seen all the Moors Murders docus now, and i maintain the same ambivalence toward these 'experts' as all the other docu experts. What was unusual was that the regular cast of stock amateur criminologists that populate all the big SK docus (the same clowns are in all of em) are completely absent. In the Moors Murders we get a lineup of exclusively British specialists... which was nice for a change. Still finally disappointed, though. Nothing is more anticlimactic than hearing a world famous forensic psychologist say the words "... and he did it for no apparant reason" after going on about some serial killer. With those eight words, an expert flushes his degrees and credentials right down the toilet.

Does anything ever happen without a reason?

But it's not just an amateur move. It's also sinister in the way that it suggests a killer is not only vicious and cruel but also so baked that he can't and doesn't even have reasons for what he does.

Never you mind. What's important is understanding how a criminal becomes even more criminal through his experiences with the State. You can't know what he's experiencing without being pushed through the State's machinations yourself, so you have to try to grasp it theoretically as Nietzsche did. He knew the State either breaks or empowers the criminal but never rehabilitates him.

Now, when a criminal witnesses first-hand atrocities committed by the State (to others or himself) as he's moved through its criminal justice system, the gravity of this contradiction - that the State is committing crime itself - gives the criminal divine sanction and license for his criminal activity.

For you, it's: cool lock the fucker away he kilt somebody.

For him, it's: lolz. You people got WAY bigger problems on your hands than the three people i wasted. Ever been inside a courtroom, mental hospital or prison?

"Had i divined the future of spending half a century in prison and the final fifteen years being force-fed by nasal tube in an unmonitored zoological cesspit of regression, i would have exited decades ago" - Ian B.

So, the criminal becomes more and more criminal rather than less and less each time he passes through some State institution... and that is why. Folks at home don't get to see any of this, so Mr. Brady and i felt inclined to inform you.

How Ian blew it for Myra. When Myra finally started confessing and trying to play the "i was coerced by Ian" card, Ian became angry, felt betrayed, and then started to implement her more severly in the commission of the crimes. How did he just f*** up?

He's doing life regardless of any new charges arising against him for additional crimes described by Myra. What he failed to understand was that Myra would never become eligible for release if she continued to deny responsibility in the crimes. So, in her own best interest, she spilled the beans, knowing nothing additional would change Ian's circumstances.

Ian didn't think this through and totally botched it for Myra.

Fun fact: moments before dying Mr. Brady gave two suitcases of personal items to his solicitor. It was ruled that the bloody POleece couldn't have access to it and the solicitor has never publicly revealed the contents.

What's in the fuckin suitcases I'm dying over here! Couldn't be porn or tapes or anything like that 'cause he's in the joint. Had to be writing. But what! The secret to the universe? More bodies? What's in the goddamn suitcases??!!!!

There must be a cycle that each inhabited planet goes through before it becomes uninhabitable.

Any intelligent human like species will have the same inclination to avoid physical labor first and foremost. The political evolution of the species, then, will involve a series of stages purposed to produce a civilization in which an elite class won't have to labor. The last stage will always be a capitalism model. This system remains until the species goes extinct on that planet.

Now here's the cool part. If an industrial revolution occurs and a Marxist state doesn't immediately follow, all law and order, which are the structures that stabalize civilization and make its development possible, are permanently out the window.

The purpose of the planet then becomes two things. For the elite non-laboring class... sustain the planet as long as possible so that hedonistic fulfillment can be experienced before they destroy it (or some natural disaster does).

The only other purpose exists for the anarchist illegalist (among which i put the SKs and psychos and stuff). That purpose is almost identical to the elite's purpose, but for one thing. The anarchist illegalist is virtuous and noble in that his criminal activity is against the elite class or, in the case of the brute SK, is an actual existential expression of the effects of that malevolent system put in place by the elite. A frankenstein, as it were.

All other people, the working class, are irrelevant filler material. This is why no victim could ever have the level of value that an anarchist illegalist has. His philosophical role and value in the grey destiny of this foresaken planet of scum soon to extinguish itself can not be matched by any mortal thing.

And therein lies our divine irony. This planet is a killing field with which anarchist employs his art. Hundreds, thousands of years, religions coming and going, leading exactly to the arrival of the sociopath and the redemption of that miserable species through his deeds.

This knowledge is so epic that it's almost suspicious. It doesn't seem as if something so rich in irony could be just the evolutionary patterns of an intelligent life in a random universe, does it? Rich people take everything over, scumbags start killing people, the planet dies. Could be that simple. But it could be like on some biblical level shit, too. Just the level, i mean. Not the content, obviously (because it would be woefully wrong about the nature of god and life).

Wait! Why can't the elite be a sociopathic class like the anarchist illegalists?

Because sociopathology is earned through abuse and suffering at the hands of the elite class and its effects, that's why. A genuine sociopath is a made-man. An American Psycho (whatshisname) is a total fraud.

Trump, Putin, Musk, none are sociopaths. Not even sorta. Not even if they dropped a nuclear bomb.

If ten heathen cavegentlemen (and ladies) happened upon a machine in the middle of the forest, it would never occur to any of them to give control of the machine to only one member of the group. Well, unless one of em had a big enough club to beat nine people up. Unlikely.

How does capitalism happen then? Is there like a big bang and then suddenly there it is? Nope. It takes epidemiological time to breed an animal that is able to not feel alarmed at the thought of one person controlling a machine he uses daily. The cavemen had it right. We've got it wrong. There are no contracts, rights, property deeds, constitutions, none of that shit. There's just you, the machine you use daily, and the other guy who controls it because he has a bigger club (the POleece).

One good thing to come out of getting very little work (for reasons explained elsewhere) is that this is complementary to my insomnia. For the last year, i have been waking up around 2 or 3, unable to fall back asleep. By the time 9 o'clock rolls around (when I'd start a job), I've already been up for six hours. I've still done this countless times - gone to a job tired because I've been up - but not nearly as much as i would if i landed more jobs.

I feel fine. No loss of energy... just the normal lack of 'just getting up' gusto you have when you wake up around 7 or 8.

Oh, hells yeah, this shit goes in and affects every aspect of my life. The insomnia began due to overwhelming stress. In turn, the insomnia will create circumstances that create even more new kinds of stress.

The items on the State's invoice of offenses against me run consecutively as in the case of sentencing. Each new particular thing i suffer produces a new sentence for the State.

The christian says: "Boy, for an atheist, you sure do have a lot to say about god" and so takes you for just an angry person shaking his fists at a god he kinda believes in. This is bad for the Christian because it stops him from paying attention to what is said.

The atheist is only analyzing the circumstances surrounding the idea of god that you brought to bear and showing you the results of that analysis.

He doesn't believe your god exists, but IF it did, x,y, and z follow. Let me show you, etc.

The great Bass Pro Shops tournament deception. Competitors are ranked according to the total weight of combined bass caught in x time. And yet, absolutely nothing about each competitor makes him any more likely to catch big bass than any other. The fishing bait, method, and location are the same. Whether or not a five pounder or a three pounder takes the bait when and where he casts is pure luck. No special science for catchin' the bigguns.

I'm watching one now. Laser lighted leader board like something out of Tron. Each fishin' guy, a walking patchwork of sponsor symbols, has a whole career stas profile as if he were an NFL star.

I suppose it's like professional wrestling where the audience has an unspoken agreement to pretend it's all real. Can you imagine being a fan of a sport you had to pretend was real? How does that even work?

If it were fish number, it'd be different. Here you could examine bait, method, location, etc.

This is strange, then. It means even in being aware that catching a biggun is just as likely as catchin' a small one and that it should be the number of fish that matters, the people's indulgence and obsession with 'big game' wins out and the bigguns take on mythical importance. In some cases these masters of the mustard jelly worm even speculate that the bigger bass are wiser, having survived many battles with man, and that therefore to best one is a mark of courage, intelligence and heroism.

Oh, here's another thing you gotta get ready for.

Once AI becomes fully embedded in human culture, the neutral and unprejudiced objective nature of AI speech will condition people... especially children in schools interacting with AI regularly... to become less and less disagreeable, argumentative, and more disinterested and clinical.

Here's the bad part. General stress due to future working class conditions will be much worse. So, you'll have a much more distressed human being who is now unable to speak with candor. Future generations will be like pressure-cookers unable to express any visceral outrage or disappointment about anything. It'll just be dry analysis.

How to breed emotion out of an animal through AI induced language manipulation. Prevent it from having the words for personal insults, and it wouldn't be able to feel personal insult.

"Legal arguments supporting the right to die in the UK include the assertion that human rights imply a right to die, particularly through the right to privacy and personal autonomy. Additionally, the European Convention on Human Rights has been cited in court cases, suggesting that prohibitions on assisted suicide may conflict with the right to respect for private and family life" (search assistant)

It would be impossible to conclude that a man as lucid, inquisitive, and well spoken as Mr. Brady is insane. Why then would they keep him at Ashworth unless they were a) incompetent, or b) in direct violation of the rights of British people as per quote?

How would you tell a relative of Ian's (let's say hypothetically) not to blow up a jail or something because the government was keeping his brother in a mental institution against both empirical evidence and British law?

Don't do it it's wrong? Bro. 'Wrong' left Britain two decades ago, lol.

It was a unique anomaly, man. Ian couldn't say he wanted to go back to regular prison for any convincing reason. Clearly, Ashworth was better living than seg in a supermax. Everybody knows this, including the guards.

Therein comes the problem. Ian's gotta come up with a reason, then. His reason is that he wants to starve himself (bro Ian's like a buddhist monk how boss is self starvation?), and that reason, he knew, was in keeping with British law.

Now switch shoes. You're her Majesty's ambassadors. You have a prisoner who is aksing you to be the enabler of his suicide. No fuckin' way is her Majesty doing that. They just struck down capital punishment months before B's arrest and hadn't changed anything. It would be savage to let a prisoner kill himself even if.... wait for it... it's not against the law to do so (indirectly by not interfering).

Now, place the final irony. No man in Britain did the people want dead more than Mr. Brady.

Can Britain make it three steps without becoming a bad monty python skit?

I dunno, mates. This guy Ian may have actually been Fritz on an eternal return.

It's one thing to emulate and mimic your favorite rock star. He wears the same chain, uses the same vernacular, drives the same cars, etc., and quite another to want to sample cheeses in Austria in the spring.

Mr. Brady would have had to go to such lengths to cosplay Nietzsche properly that he would have given up and stopped short the moment he felt his small circle of friends were impressed enough.

You don't take a f****** train to another country just so you can wear a pilots scarf and hold a wine goblet while standing on a balcony overlooking the rich architectural design of the city below you so admire. No. Ian actually was that guy. This was not a cosplay.

It's like bro is a chat-bot that has only Nietzsche's writing as a language model. Little nuances i see everywhere. It's fantastic.

Ian was already like Fritz before he was like Fritz, that's what i mean. Read bro's letters. You can't get him to talk like a regular dude. Everything is like a letter from an exiled siberia-bound Dostoevsky or something. He's not play acting that shit, mates.

Is that what happens when you reject god? You just keep coming back, madder and madder each time? I mean, is there a limit to this... like a maximum madness?

Jesus, i hate to see what Fritz does the next time 'round. Friedrich Nietzsche 2186 A.D. Can you even imagine the boss that would be?

You know how yuns can tell Christianity is very bad for you? Look closely. How does it appear and come knocking? As paranoia. Not because things are going so great you felt the need to believe in a personal god to praise but because things are going so wrong that you become suspicious of forces working for or against you... you can't tell which it's so confusing.

Wasn't it Kierkegaard that said whatever our purpose is here it certainly isn't to have a good time? That right there. The depth of the anxiety of uncertainty, of experiencing death (all around), of having protracted periods of bad luck (I must be being punished, etc). All these are not very exciting reasons to go looking for god.