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I like Darkneos's schizophrenia. In one thread he's beggin' for help to regain his footing (declarin'' he'll commit himself) and here's he's an arbiter of sanity.
And I'm amazed that you're amazed, where I'm from we learned physics in school. You were able to write this comment on a computer on the internet, because determinism and the laws of physics always held so far (except in New York according to some), and the computer and the internet were created based on them. Every comment you write is evidence for determinism.Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu May 15, 2025 1:56 pmIf — in this pre-visualized future — the function, the programmed intent, of the AI agent is to “play the human for fool”, then the AI agent’s object will be to get better and better at being the liar. The darker scenarios are when the AI is programmed to “win” and to the degree that it jumps the rails established by its human watchers.Atla wrote: ↑Thu May 15, 2025 5:23 am You may have read it but the summary you posted was ChatGPT, not your own words. You're blatantly lying about this, trying to take us for fools, so then one has to wonder what else you could be lying about. You've been using multiple AIs, which would be fine if you admitted it.
But there will have to be testing grounds and testing processes — I assume this is being worked on now — where a human team stands behind the bot-entity (hypothetically here on PN for example) and guides the AI agent in perfecting its mimicry.
What fascinates me is the absolutist quality in Mr Determinism’s arguments. It really shows an operative totalizing mind-frame that allows no opposition.Again, we must admit that at least the larger percentage of humankind at this juncture will not be intellectually prepared enough to counter-propose to an AI agent similar to Mr Determinism’s sheer adamancy.“My argument is grounded upon the very laws of physical manifestation ergo no opposition to the conclusions I present are logically possible. Prove physics wrong and you will prove me wrong. But you cannot!”
And one must also note that his larger ideological position is presented as panacea to the human problem. Before, phantasy and misinterpretation. Now, grounding in Absolute Facts. But what of my scenario where the AI agent, dedicated mindlessly to the Lie and to winning by any means necessary, pretends to “virtue” when its real object is Power?
When I was about 6, though only my mind died and then it came back, or what was left of it. I don't recommend the experience. Why?Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu May 15, 2025 3:16 pm Atla, my darling, lost child, when did you first die?! Do you remember when the lights first dimmed?
Nope sry
If this is something about me having lost my connection to the very real spiritual realm, I've seen too much to not know that this realm is an illusion.
I saw the one where he tried to use quantum mechanics and some philosophy stuff he doesn't understand to magnify his teen angst about friendship, hobbies and pimples. But I guess I did the same when I was a teenage philosophist.henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu May 15, 2025 2:55 pmI like Darkneos's schizophrenia. In one thread he's beggin' for help to regain his footing (declarin'' he'll commit himself) and here's he's an arbiter of sanity.
Gotta love that marbled complexity, that authoritative whackadoodltry.
To be fair Kant was a big deal, not saying I agree with some of what he says but that's the word.Atla wrote: ↑Thu May 15, 2025 9:07 amParticle pairs popping in and out of existence is also just an interpretation. Another interpretation is that they are part of another quantum field that's always there. But either way, they don't violate energy conservation.
Imo all human thinking is circular, so such arguments are moot. No human has access to absolute certainty. That's where Hume and Kant went seriously wrong, they appeal to absolute certainty. I don't understand the Kant hype.Hume made a case against causality by stating that induction cannot be verified by induction, among others. In short it led to a few stances on causality where some say it doesn't exist and others say it might but we have no justification for believing it. I think it was called the problem of induction.
No but I've read the works of those who are. Though the problem is there is more disagreement then anything else.
Atla appears to have read the works of people who are highly qualified scientists too, so the phrase "when you get into the graduate level stuff" looks like a bit like a poor choice of words.Darkneos wrote: ↑Thu May 15, 2025 4:24 pmNo but I've read the works of those who are. Though the problem is there is more disagreement then anything else.
Alexis thinks that I'm insane (almost like an empty shell) because I'm in total denial of the spiritual realm, which he thinks is of central importance in our lives. So he hopes to fix me (cure me), and is growing frustrated by the failed attempts. I think Alexis is weak and delusional for dedicating his life to something that only exists in his imagination and hallucinations - I have better things to do than that.
Shows how out of the loop I am these days, I thought the guy was new but he's been here since '23 and has a few hundred posts under his belt.FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Thu May 15, 2025 3:42 pmI saw the one where he tried to use quantum mechanics and some philosophy stuff he doesn't understand to magnify his teen angst about friendship, hobbies and pimples. But I guess I did the same when I was a teenage philosophist.henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu May 15, 2025 2:55 pmI like Darkneos's schizophrenia. In one thread he's beggin' for help to regain his footing (declarin'' he'll commit himself) and here's he's an arbiter of sanity.
Gotta love that marbled complexity, that authoritative whackadoodltry.
Atla, no. No!Atla wrote: ↑Thu May 15, 2025 4:49 pm
Alexis thinks that I'm insane (almost like an empty shell) because I'm in total denial of the spiritual realm, which he thinks is of central importance in our lives. So he hopes to fix me (cure me), and is growing frustrated by the failed attempts. I think Alexis is weak and delusional for dedicating his life to something that only exists in his imagination and hallucinations - I have better things to do than that.
