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bahman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 9:08 pm I stop to reply to your nonsense so you realize that I exist!

You do exist. You're not an aspect of, or a figment of, DAM's mind or imagination.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:15 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 6:40 am LOL
LOL
LOL

It appears that it does not matter how many times I keep informing 'this one' that I did not change from what I was doing for the reason that it believes is absolutely true, right, accurate, and correct, 'this one' will just keep seeing, and believing, what it is here.

But, this the very nature of the 'belief-system', itself. And, in fact, what 'this one' has been continually showing and actually doing here is, actually, proving another one of 'my claims' irrefutably, True, Right, Accurate, and Correct.

Did you ever thank Atla for accurately pointing out that there was a problem with your communication and working hard to show you why? A decision you made coincidentally and utterly unaffected by his efforts, but which confirmed his sense there was a problem.

Do 'you' feel satisfied with your attempts to garnish support from others for your continual quest against 'me'?

By the way you have now proved, irrefutably, just how absolutely completely CLOSED you really are here. So thank you again for helping me out here.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:27 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 6:40 am

Have you ever apologized to the people, for example Harbal who was very polite about his objections to your formatting, for the condescending way you dismissed them on the issue?

LOL

Once again 'this one' attempting to garnish support, and back up, from others, for its trails against 'me' does not go unnoticed.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:27 am Given, that is, that you decided, yourself, you could manage to do what you intended to do without that formatting.

But, what you appear to have completed and utterly, absolutely, missed here, as well, is the very reason why I was formatting like I was, although I have already partly explained why.

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:42 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:27 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 6:40 am

Have you ever apologized to the people, for example Harbal who was very polite about his objections to your formatting, for the condescending way you dismissed them on the issue?
Given, that is, that you decided, yourself, you could manage to do what you intended to do without that formatting.

Autism’s expression is a different brain braining that’s all. Judging that is like chastising a baby for not being born differently, it’s on behalf of a past Age that should have been born better.

Harbal might be polite, but he also has the capacity to be outraged. He told Age to ( Fuck Off )
…so give people some slack, we all have a not so nice mean side.

Just out of curiousity, and which is asked to any one here, have I shown a so-called 'not so nice mean side' to absolutely anyone in this forum?

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:42 am I’m fucking sick of the hypocrisy that is human idolisation.

Age wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:19 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:15 am Did you ever thank Atla for accurately pointing out that there was a problem with your communication and working hard to show you why? A decision you made coincidentally and utterly unaffected by his efforts, but which confirmed his sense there was a problem.

Do 'you' feel satisfied with your attempts to garnish support from others for your continual quest against 'me'?

Huh. I was asking you about your behavior. I hardly need to garnish support or even 'garner support' which is what I think you meant. I'm sure you've seen the reactions to you here, from those that even read more than a little and then ignore.

By the way you have now proved, irrefutably, just how absolutely completely CLOSED you really are here.

I am pretty closed to you, certainly. Though I've been surprised by people before, so who knows what will happen.

So thank you again for helping me out here.

So, you need help? What kinds of help do you need?

Age wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:49 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:42 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:27 am Have you ever apologized to the people, for example Harbal who was very polite about his objections to your formatting, for the condescending way you dismissed them on the issue?
Given, that is, that you decided, yourself, you could manage to do what you intended to do without that formatting.

Autism’s expression is a different brain braining that’s all. Judging that is like chastising a baby for not being born differently, it’s on behalf of a past Age that should have been born better.

Harbal might be polite, but he also has the capacity to be outraged. He told Age to ( Fuck Off )
…so give people some slack, we all have a not so nice mean side.

Just out of curiousity, and which is asked to any one here, have I shown a so-called 'not so nice mean side' to absolutely anyone in this forum?

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:42 am I’m fucking sick of the hypocrisy that is human idolisation.

No Age, you have never shown a not so nice side to absolutely anyone on this forum. Not once even.

You have consistently adopted an Exemplary conduct worthy of my total admiration and respect.

Why, I think the answer is because you are pure love. Harmless, totally harmless. Thanks for being here expressing the truth.

Age wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:46 am

Have you ever apologized to the people, for example Harbal who was very polite about his objections to your formatting, for the condescending way you dismissed them on the issue?

LOL

Once again 'this one' attempting to garnish support, and back up, from others, for its trails against 'me' does not go unnoticed.

Perhaps you intended these as metaphors 'garnish support' and 'trails against me'. The first one makes more sense than 'garner support'. I hardly need to do anything to garner Atla's support, which I hope you realize. I don't know what Harbal's attitude towards you is, but if I wanted to garner support from him, I'd contact him, not question you in a post I'm skeptical he'd read.

But perhaps it's possible for me to garnish support. To decorate it. Use it as decoration. I like that phrase. There's a poet in you. And, really, I like that phrase. 'Trails against me. Also, nice, less clear in meaning, but it gives a sense of me coming at your from a variety of directions, at least potentionally. From my perspective it seems you have followed many trails against me, certainly at least also. Of course, not me in particular, as far as I've noticed, you engage with many people who are not, at the time, engaging with you in the thread.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:27 am Given, that is, that you decided, yourself, you could manage to do what you intended to do without that formatting.

But, what you appear to have completed and utterly, absolutely, missed here, as well, is the very reason why I was formatting like I was, although I have already partly explained why.

OK, you hang to whatever story you have here.

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 9:08 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 4:22 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:55 pm
As I said, I experienced my mind once! This is however irrelevant to the discussion.

You can say whatever you like, it’ll be your mental construct. You experience the concept. But does the concept experience you? No, because it is you, not separated from you.

You do not have to prove you exist, you are without doubt or error. But you cannot prove others exist. And that goes for everyone, which is everything. Everything cannot prove there are two everything’s because everything cannot get past it’s own everything without creating more everything that never completes.

So as everything, this does not need to prove another everything, which is absurd. Oneness cannot prove another one exists. why is that, is because oneness is everything and everyone, and everywhere all at once, one without a second.

If you don’t agree, then prove another one exits?

You’d have to step outside of yourself and into another one to pull of that claim that another one does indeed exist separate from you. Which of course is impossible.

I stop to reply to your nonsense so you realize that I exist!

If it’s nonsense then why stop to reply to nonsense.

That makes no sense. It makes..non sense.

So in truth, all you’ve said is nothing and you haven’t been listening.

Thanks for the non discussion.

Age wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:46 am Once again 'this one' attempting to garnish support, and back up, from others, for its trails against 'me' does not go unnoticed.

Let's look at these trails against you. In this thread I responded to Fairy's question.

You responded to me - part of a quest? -

But, who and/or what is this 'One I', exactly, who, supposedly, does not feel that it has to choose?

If, and when, 'you' work out who 'I' am, exactly, then like "fairy" is saying here, 'you' will, literally, feel and see things differently.

You seem to assume you know what I feel and see AND what I will feel and see, if/when I work out who 'I' am or perhaps you are. In other words: 1) you chose to engage 2) you presented assumptions about what I see and feel and 3) then what I will see if I realize something. So, instead of, for example, asking clarifying questions about what I wrote, and instead of interacting with what I wrote, you started telling me about me, asserting what you think you know about me including my inner life.

It's not that I saw Age posting in the thread and went on some quest. You opted to interact and went personal, from a superior position. IOW you know things about me, what I see and feel, what I will see and feel if......

This has been going on for 'ages'. And yet you experience it always, for reasons perhaps not even known to yourself, and certainly not known to me that I have 'trails against you' as if that sums up our interaction. You see me garnishing support when I ask questions about how you reacted to other people's acts in relation to you, rather than seeing it as the question it is. Instead of asking clarifying questions, you assumed that post was me trying to 'garnish support'. And/or perhaps you saw me trying to 'garnish' support from Fairy, but of course she initiated contact with me with the topic of you, bringing up your autism and more or less saying you can't help being the way you are and that I should cut you some slack. I responded to her post, not to garnish support, but to respond to what she was saying, including implicitly about me or the pattern.

Which, of course, is all within the realm of accepted behavior here. But stop playing the victim, and how about starting to be consistent about asking clarifying questions before assuming, given that you are critical of others for not doing that. You don't notice or acknowledge when you don't ask clarifying questions and when you make assumptions nor your quest.

“ But stop playing the victim “


But stop playing the cause of a problem.

It takes two to tango, a causer of its own effect.

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 7:46 am “ But stop playing the victim “


But stop playing the cause of a problem.

It takes two to tango, a causer of its own effect.

What problem? Do you see a problem? Wouldn't that be yours, then?
Further, part of my point was precisely that it takes two to tango.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 7:49 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 7:46 am “ But stop playing the victim “


But stop playing the cause of a problem.

It takes two to tango, a causer of its own effect.

What problem? Do you see a problem? Wouldn't that be yours, then?
Further, part of my point was precisely that it takes two to tango.

Shhhh! Be still. And know thyself.

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:02 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 7:49 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 7:46 am “ But stop playing the victim “


But stop playing the cause of a problem.

It takes two to tango, a causer of its own effect.

What problem? Do you see a problem? Wouldn't that be yours, then?
Further, part of my point was precisely that it takes two to tango.

Shhhh! Be still. And know thyself.

likewise
and pass it on to Age.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:09 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:02 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 7:49 am What problem? Do you see a problem? Wouldn't that be yours, then?
Further, part of my point was precisely that it takes two to tango.

Shhhh! Be still. And know thyself.

likewise
and pass it on to Age.

Do whatever you think needs passing on. But I'm sure Age already knows what you know. We're all just telling each other what we already know.
All knowing claims are sourced from the exact same place.

Be still now, shhh! silence is where all the true truth power lies. < Divine paradox.

Mind you, alas, a still mind is like a still wind, and there's a lot of hot air around here lately.

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:55 pm As I said, I experienced my mind once!

Then prove that claim.

Truth is...You, I, my, me, us, them, are all just conceptual things, they are thoughts... there's just thinking. And 'things' have no consciousness.

But since thinking is being observed by awareness, awareness can observe many thoughts, many things, but never experience those things, because they are already being the experience, it's one experience with itself only, all alone.

All alone means it cannot step out of it's own arena, since it's everywhere at once, just like light is everywhere at once, which is just another label for awareness, and so awareness cannot step out of itself to get a peek up it's own skirt so to speak. No more that the body can just over it's own shadow.

So the claim, my, your, mine, their experience is illusory, since the experiencer, or the thinker of thought, is never found, never seen, without making 'the thinker' or 'the experiencer' just more thought..just more concepts that have no conscious awareness.

No thought, no mind, has ever been seen. Thoughts are only known by the only knowing there is, which is consciousness, one without a second.