Creation - Evolution

[Age]

And once Age has shown that it's a fact that

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

See how when one believes something is true, then they also see it 'as fact'.

So, there is 'now' absolutely nothing anyone could do to show and prove otherwise, because what this one is 'now' 'currently' believing is true as 'progressed' to have 'now' become 'a fact'.

I don't have absolute beliefs, just like I didn't have any the last 274 times

But you are just not being honest here.

As another would say here now.

[Age]

I don't have absolute beliefs, just like I didn't have any the last 273 times

Yet it absolutely believes the below is absolutely true.

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

And, as "iwannaplato" would call this one now, this one is an idiot for not believing what it claims is true.

I don't have absolute beliefs, just like I didn't have any the last 275 times.

you really are not getting what is happening and occurring here "Atla"

You have no idea about how IWP thinks either.

But those thoughts are here, for all to 'look at' and 'see'.

[Age]

You say that the necessity of cause and effect is creation and that creation is the necessity of cause and effect,

I do not and have never said, 'the necessity of cause and effect is creation', nor the rest of what you say and claim here.

but you take no account of the main claim of creation is it is novel.

I do not even know of any 'main claim' 'of creation is it is novel', let alone would I take any account for any such thing.

Please examine by above post where I take you statment line by line and annotate it in BLUE.

I did, and what I noticed is you are, still, are long way of understanding what I have actually said and meant here.

What you assuming and believe I am saying and meaning is a long way off, on a lot of occasions, and explains, partly, why your views are so far astray from what I have actually said and meant.

Your OP has said nothing about evolution and nothing about creation.

Okay. If this is what you want to believe is true, then this is perfectly fine with me.

If you can't be bothered to deal with objections, I cannot be bothered to make any effort for you.

If you cannot be bothered to see what the opening post is meaning and referring to, then I cannot be bothered making any more effort for you.

[Age]

Yet it absolutely believes the below is absolutely true.


And, as "iwannaplato" would call this one now, this one is an idiot for not believing what it claims is true.

I don't have absolute beliefs, just like I didn't have any the last 275 times. You have no idea about how IWP thinks either.

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

Sometimes it strikes me as sort of sad.

Okay.

And, once again, this one alludes to some thing, but never actually divulges what 'it' is, exactly.

He just keeps asserting that other people believe things to be absolutely true. Oddly he adds 'absolutely' in this accusation, while for him, merely having beliefs means they are absolute.

This ones assumptions and beliefs here could not be more Wrong and Incorrect, once more.

But he adds this word.

And, this one adds this word.

And just like you, earlier in our responses to each other, I would say to him that I didn't hold what I believed as absolutely true, and that they could change and had in the past when evidence came in via experience or otherwise.

And, this one, just like "atla", cannot see and recognize what is actually happening and occurring here.

In the beginning he would accept this.

In the beginning this one was just as blind and deaf.

But then when I asserted something else, he would then tell me that I believed it was absolutely true.

And, this one keeps telling me what I believe as well.

See, this one believes that what it believes is absolutely true, but if anyone informs it of when and how what it believes is False and Wrong, then it is 'the other' who is 'lying'.

And he would tell others, by referring to me as 'this one', that I was stupid or showing whatever negative trait he liked to assign at the time because of all my assumptions and beliefs that were I thought were absolutely true.

Well obviously when one believes some thing is true, and they are not OPEN to the irrefutable proof being presented to them, which shows the opposite of what they are believing, then, obviously, that one is CLOSED, and thus just stupid. Exactly like 'this one' here known as "iwannaplato" has done on multiple occasions here.

Again, as can be clearly seen and proved True throughout its writings here.

He makes assertions but we are NEVER to think they are beliefs.

But when you make assertions we are NEVER to think they are absolute beliefs, correct?

And when I think be believes something I don't assume he will never, ever change that belief. I just think, since he asserts things over and over that he believes them. I assume he believes things that he considers irrefutably true. Or proven again and again.

No, not him.

Others assert and this means they absolutely believe.
He asserts and and this doesn't he doesn't believe what he asserts at all, except that one belief he owns up to.

And, this one goes on and on and on 'about me'.

It is like 'this one' is obsessed 'with me' here.

How could someone possibly hide this from himself?

But you "iwannaplato" never ever hide absolutely any thing from 'you', here, correct?

And if he not hiding it from himself, somehow that's even worse, because he thinks other people will fall for his denials.

This one speaks as though when I deny what it and others say and claim 'about me', then I am lying or in denial, but when anyone makes claims about it, or others, which they deny, then, again, it is 'the other' who is wrong.

This one cannot still see and recognize that it has been doing, exactly, what it accuses me of doing.

I think the OP could be part of a decent argument and something to consider.

But, you will not talk about the opening post, as you, obviously, much prefer to talk 'about me', instead.

But we are not to think even the parts he thinks are irrefutable and things he believes.

Why are you and them, supposedly, not to think these things here "iwannaplato"?

It'd be funny if it wasn't sad.

And, what is Truly funny is observing people spend so much of their lives trying to 'judge', 'diagnose', and/or 'discredit' and 'ridicule', 'others', on nothing more that just a few printed words, alone.

Now, back to what I was saying and pointing out here, The word 'Creation' refers to the eternal continual process of 'change', which is just what 'evolution', itself, fundamentally is anyway.

[Age]

The Universe, Itself, is in a continual constant state of change, and how the Universe, Itself, gradually developed into coming to know 'Self'.

[Age]

I don't have absolute beliefs, just like I didn't have any the last 275 times. You have no idea about how IWP thinks either.

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

Sometimes it strikes me as sort of sad. He just keeps asserting that other people believe things to be absolutely true. Oddly he adds 'absolutely' in this accusation, while for him, merely having beliefs means they are absolute. But he adds this word. And just like you, earlier in our responses to each other, I would say to him that I didn't hold what I believed as absolutely true, and that they could change and had in the past when evidence came in via experience or otherwise. In the beginning he would accept this. But then when I asserted something else, he would then tell me that I believed it was absolutely true. And he would tell others, by referring to me as 'this one', that I was stupid or showing whatever negative trait he liked to assign at the time because of all my assumptions and beliefs that were I thought were absolutely true.

He makes assertions but we are NEVER to think they are beliefs. And when I think be believes something I don't assume he will never, ever change that belief. I just think, since he asserts things over and over that he believes them. I assume he believes things that he considers irrefutably true. Or proven again and again.

No, not him.

Others assert and this means they absolutely believe.
He asserts and and this doesn't he doesn't believe what he asserts at all, except that one belief he owns up to.

How could someone possibly hide this from himself? And if he not hiding it from himself, somehow that's even worse, because he thinks other people will fall for his denials.

I think the OP could be part of a decent argument and something to consider. But we are not to think even the parts he thinks are irrefutable and things he believes. It'd be funny if it wasn't sad.

Because Age literally thinks that she/he is God and God has no need for beliefs, God just knows the absolute truth. Age isn't hiding anything from itself because it doesn't think that it has a self.

I don't feel sad for such evil, I just feel sad that it exists.

So, the one known as "atla" here 'feels sad' that the one known as "age" here just exists.

And I feel even more sad for those who have to provide for Age.

So, "atla" is now feeling even sadder for "itself" here.

[Age]

I don't feel sad for such evil, I just feel sad that it exists. And I feel even more sad for those who have to provide for Age.

Oddly I was just thinking about that issue when I wrote that last post.

Yes, I was just thinking about 'that issue' as well. But, not oddly.

[Age]

Because Age literally thinks that she/he is God and God has no need for beliefs, God just knows the absolute truth.

That fits with some things I've read of his.

Well it should, because according to "atla" anyway, that is, literally, how it is.

It seemed like he was describing direct knowing.

Is this really how 'it' seemed to you "iwannaplato"?

And thus also refusing to clarify because I or someone else was not ready - at his stage of Enlightenment.

So, 'I', supposedly, REFUSED to clarify, some thing.

But you are pointing out a pattern in me, if indirectly. I do take people seriously and at face value in some ways.

And, what does 'taking people seriously' even actually mean or refer to, exactly?

Do you not 'take jokes', nor 'take sarcasm'?

It's like how it actually bothers me that VA is betraying his FSK scheme. He just pisses on it when it suits him, then continues to defend it when anyone else has a problem with it. My naivte is showing.

Are you ever able to just talk 'about the words' used here, instead of continually talking 'about your perceived perceptions of 'the people' and/or of 'their behavior'?

Age isn't hiding anything from itself because it doesn't think that it has a self.

Well, he thinks he's not hiding anything,

See how these two 'bounce off of each other', as some would say here.

one of them only has to just say something, and the other will just accept it and go with it, as long as what is being said is perceived to be some sort of 'singling out' and/or 'ridiculing' of 'the other'.

but he has a self and he is.

So, this one believes that male gendered things 'have' 'selfs'.

And, that male gendered things 'are' 'selfs'.

Or the situation is much worse.

Yes, or 'the situation' is 'much worse'.

What 'the situation' is, exactly, no one else will ever find out and know.

Unless, of course, this one lets you into what it is alluding to, exactly.

Now, the Universe, obviously, having to be infinite and eternal, must also have to be in the state that It is NOW, always. And, the state that the Universe is in NOW, HERE, is in a state of 'constant-change'.

This constant-change state is also how the Universe is always evolving and creating Itself in the way that It has in order to arrive at knowing "Its" Self.

[Age]

But please do not concern "yourselves" to talk 'about Creation, Evolution' nor the Universe, Itself here.

Please just keep conversing "yourselves" 'about me' only, and so just keep on keeping on as you have been talking 'about me', instead, here.

[Atla]

And, "atla" keeps believes that it is an absolute impossibility for me to prove any of these things here.

I don't have absolute beliefs, just like I didn't have any the last 273 times

And, thanks again for proving what I have been pointing out and showing here.

You haven't shown anything to anyone

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

[Atla]

See how when one believes something is true, then they also see it 'as fact'.

So, there is 'now' absolutely nothing anyone could do to show and prove otherwise, because what this one is 'now' 'currently' believing is true as 'progressed' to have 'now' become 'a fact'.

I don't have absolute beliefs, just like I didn't have any the last 274 times

But you are just not being honest here.

As another would say here now.

I'm honest, you're a perpetual liar.

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

[Atla]

Yet it absolutely believes the below is absolutely true.


And, as "iwannaplato" would call this one now, this one is an idiot for not believing what it claims is true.

I don't have absolute beliefs, just like I didn't have any the last 275 times.

you really are not getting what is happening and occurring here "Atla"

You have no idea about how IWP thinks either.

But those thoughts are here, for all to 'look at' and 'see'.

I'm getting what's occurring here, you don't. You are too weak to resist your self-serving hallucinations.

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

[Atla]

Sometimes it strikes me as sort of sad. He just keeps asserting that other people believe things to be absolutely true. Oddly he adds 'absolutely' in this accusation, while for him, merely having beliefs means they are absolute. But he adds this word. And just like you, earlier in our responses to each other, I would say to him that I didn't hold what I believed as absolutely true, and that they could change and had in the past when evidence came in via experience or otherwise. In the beginning he would accept this. But then when I asserted something else, he would then tell me that I believed it was absolutely true. And he would tell others, by referring to me as 'this one', that I was stupid or showing whatever negative trait he liked to assign at the time because of all my assumptions and beliefs that were I thought were absolutely true.

He makes assertions but we are NEVER to think they are beliefs. And when I think be believes something I don't assume he will never, ever change that belief. I just think, since he asserts things over and over that he believes them. I assume he believes things that he considers irrefutably true. Or proven again and again.

No, not him.

Others assert and this means they absolutely believe.
He asserts and and this doesn't he doesn't believe what he asserts at all, except that one belief he owns up to.

How could someone possibly hide this from himself? And if he not hiding it from himself, somehow that's even worse, because he thinks other people will fall for his denials.

I think the OP could be part of a decent argument and something to consider. But we are not to think even the parts he thinks are irrefutable and things he believes. It'd be funny if it wasn't sad.

Because Age literally thinks that she/he is God and God has no need for beliefs, God just knows the absolute truth. Age isn't hiding anything from itself because it doesn't think that it has a self.

I don't feel sad for such evil, I just feel sad that it exists.

So, the one known as "atla" here 'feels sad' that the one known as "age" here just exists.

And I feel even more sad for those who have to provide for Age.

So, "atla" is now feeling even sadder for "itself" here.

I'm not your provider, but someone(s) have to do it and you're making their lives more miserable.

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

[Age]

I don't have absolute beliefs, just like I didn't have any the last 273 times

And, thanks again for proving what I have been pointing out and showing here.

You haven't shown anything to anyone

Okay.

If this is what you believe is absolutely true here, then this must be what is absolutely true, to you, right "atla"?

[Atla]

And, thanks again for proving what I have been pointing out and showing here.

You haven't shown anything to anyone

Okay.

If this is what you believe is absolutely true here, then this must be what is absolutely true, to you, right "atla"?

Another lie from this retard

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.