VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:17 pm
Why would the readers think I do not know me?
Just about all of the 'readers', in the days when this was written, would NOT have even CONTEMPLATED whether 'you' KNOW you, or NOT. And, a LOT of 'those readers' would NOT have even THOUGHT about 'this' BEFORE.
How do you KNOW this
Let us take a vote: How many of 'you', posters, here have CONTEMPLATED whether 'you' even KNOWN you, BEFORE 'you' read the claim of mine quoted above here?
And, how many of 'you' had THOUGHT about 'this' BEFORE?
VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:17 pm
and is it a TRUE statement.
What does the word 'true' in capital letters MEAN, or REFER TO, EXACTLY?
VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:17 pm
Now, OBVIOUSLY, if 'you' can NOT YET ANSWER the QUESTION, 'Who am 'I'?' properly AND correctly, then 'you' do NOT, YET, KNOW 'I'.
This might be the case.
It may also be the case that "knowing" who I Am is an ongoing process occurring as more "Data of Experience" is uncovered through said ongoing process.
Well NO human body comes out of the womb, consciously knowing the ANSWER TO, Who 'I' AM, in a human language.
But human beings, collectively, have ALREADY evolved, through experiences, to COME-TO KNOWING the ANSWER TO, Who 'I' AM, in A human language. But like ALL LEARNED 'things' some are YET to ALSO LEARN, UNDERSTAND, and KNOW.
VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:17 pm
In association with that, it may also be that I "keep" a lot of that knowledge "to myself".
IF 'you' had ALREADY COME-TO-KNOW the, proper and Correct, ANSWER to the QUESTION, 'Who am 'I'?' THEN 'you' would ALREADY KNOW that there IS and could NEVER such a 'thing' as "myself".
The word or phrase "myself" IS an OXYMORON and a CONTRADICTION IN TERMS.
VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:17 pm
This would also align with the "idea" that such knowledge is "owed" since it is not shared.
Did you mean 'owed' or 'owned' here?
VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:17 pm
VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:17 pm
However, since I also experience that the knowledge is obtained through something that I have not always understood as "me" - I cannot lay claim to the knowledge as something I "own" or can own, yet the knowledge has become part of my "self" identification and the appearance of "ownership" along with it.
And, WHO and WHAT 'me' IS, EXACTLY, FROM 'your' perspective, is probably just as well NOT YET KNOWN, NEITHER, right?
Not "Exactly" but certainly "Enough" to make some Presumptions and then Test those.
Okay, and feel absolutely FREE to KEEP making PRESUMPTIONS, and KEEP TESTING 'them'.
VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:17 pm
When it is FULLY UNDERSTOOD how 'you', human beings, in the days when this is being written, do NOT YET KNOW WHO nor WHAT 'you', and 'I', AM, EXACTLY, then this will LEAD ONTO CONSIDERING whether HOW THEN could 'I', or 'me', even KNOW, FOR SURE, that 'I', or 'me', do ACTUALLY HAVE 'my OWN mind', or NOT.
Perhaps, but not necessarily the Actual Case.
WHEN, and IF, 'you' ALSO COME-TO-KNOW who AND what the 'I' and 'me', or 'you', words ARE REFERRING TO, EXACTLY, then 'you' WILL ALSO SEE, UNDERSTAND, and KNOW how 'it' IS THE ACTUAL CASE.
VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:17 pm
For example, as a Human Personality which has been Growing for 62 years on This Planet, in a certain Region of said Planet, and in order for the Human Experience to occur - Mind has to be involved.
The Mind comes from a Blank Slate State which allows for a genuine Human Experience to occur.
That is the Mind that I - The Human Personality - "Am". Self Identifications begins from that Blank Slate State.
In this sense a Human Personality does "have" "its own mind". Whether this is the Correct/Exact truth, the Human Personality as its General default position is "Born" unaware regardless of any other Truth.
How MANY NOTICED the CONTRADICTION here?
Also, and by the way, what is the DIFFERENCE between 'Mind' AND 'mind', to 'you', EXACTLY, "vvilliam"?
VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:17 pm
And, this is WITHOUT even QUERYING 'you', human beings, OVER, 'What does the 'mind' word even MEAN? What IS 'the mind'? And/or 'What is the 'mind' word even REFERRING TO, EXACTLY?
Individual Human Personalities have a variety of theories, and these often seek one another out which results in Groups.
Yes. 'This' can be CLEARLY SEEN and OBSERVED through and by ALL of the WARRING GROUPS that existing on planet earth, in the days when this is being written.
VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:17 pm
This is a Natural Process because Individual Minds Working Together Build The Machinery.
Human's have been doing this throughout their epoch.
These Group Minds are themselves Entities.
So, according to 'this logic' the so-called Group Mind of EVERY one would also be an Entity, right?
VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:17 pm
What we have here IS a VERY CLEAR CASE of NOT READING and SEEING and/or MISSING the POINT, COMPLETELY.
I talked ABOUT and was REFERRING TO the 'my' word. I even EMPHASIZED the 'my' word. BUT, ONCE AGAIN, what I talk ABOUT gets COMPLETELY and UTTERLY OVERLOOKED, and MISSED.
Not at all. Clearly there are Two Minds Attempting to Understand each Other and this is a Work In Progress.
Talk ABOUT VERY CLEARLY MISSING the VERY POINT, FURTHER.
VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:17 pm
And 'this' is WHY I spoke OF and ABOUT 'your' USAGE of the 'my' word above here.
In relationship to the Idea of Ownership, which You appear to interpret as what "My" " is supposed to "mean".
If the 'my' word does NOT imply, suggest, NOR 'supposed to mean' 'ownership', then what is the 'my' word 'supposed to mean' TO 'you', "vvilliam"?
VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:17 pm
I might ask Myself "How" can One "Own" Ones Self (?) and I might reply to My Question that I am Responsible for the Personality I am becoming...so I "Own" the Responsibility. Thus "My Mind".
SEE how CLEARLY CONTRADICTORY 'this STUFF' IS?
ABSOLUTELY NO one can ask "myself" BECAUSE there is NO such 'thing' as "myself". EXACTLY like there is NO such 'thing' as "my mind".
VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:17 pm
Oh, and by the way, there is NOT even such a 'thing' AS so-called 'my mind', to BEGIN WITH.
Yes. I made that point re the Blank Slate State.
So, apparently, 'you' made 'that point' that there is NO such 'thing' as 'my mind', YET the sentence before this one of yours you CONCLUDED WITH, 'Thus 'My Mind', and WITH capital 'm's AS WELL.
VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:17 pm
Even so, which "Beginning" are you talking about?
GREAT QUESTION. The SAME one that the three words, 'In the beginning', were REFERRING TO, EXACTLY?
Which, by the way, is NOT 'the one' that most of 'you', adult human beings, in the days when this is being written, are ASSUMING nor PRESUMING.
VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:17 pm
Rather, this is not what is being said in the expression.
I KNOW.
Okay.
And,
If 'you' DID NOT PRESUME what 'my opinion' MIGHT BE, in the beginning, THEN 'you' would NOT have ENDED UP SO FAR ASTRAY, as 'you' HAVE, here, now.
What has you Thinking or Believing that I have drifted from the course?
your WORDS ON the screen in front of 'us' here.
VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:17 pm
Is there a particular reason you wish to pursue this?
YES.
Okay.
Do you think that minds can literally be swapped over?
NO.
Do 'you' think that there are 'minds'?
Yes.
Or is it just a case that you think I used an inappropriate phrasing, and if so, what is the better phrasing one could use?
'you' USED the 'my' word, as though 'you', an individual human being, as 'its' OWN 'mind', which is just a Wrong, and an INAPPROPRIATE, phrase.
What is the Better Phrasing one could use?
The ONE I ALREADY GAVE and USED in the following quote OF MINE, which you have ACTUALLY ALREADY PROVIDED for us here.
VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:17 pm
A much truer and thus better phrasing is 'my thoughts'. Which, although is STILL NOT True, Right, Accurate, NOR Correct phrase, that phrase is far MORE accurate than 'my mind' is.
What would be the True Phrase one can use, rather than the less accurate one suggested?
In regards to what, EXACTLY?
If it is just the phrase 'my thoughts' alone, then this would depend on in what CONTEXT 'that phrase' is being USED. In and of itself, the True phrase would contain a capital 'm' for the 'my' word, or just the 'thoughts' word alone.
Well will wait to see in what sentence you are REFERRING TO when USING 'that phrase'.
VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:17 pm
But first 'things' first, as there are still quite a few MORE steps that need to be LEARNED and UNDERSTOOD, FIRST.
Okay.
I cannot answer your question because you want an "exact" whereas the developing is ongoing and one cannot exactly say "who", while the developing is happening.
Okay, fair enough.
And, thank you GREATLY for ADMITTING that 'you' do NOT YET KNOW who nor what 'the one' NOR 'the I' IS, EXACTLY, which is said to have 'its mind'.
Rather, I am Clarifying my Understanding of Self.
But your unusual USE of capital letters here is NOT CLARIFYING your understanding of 'Self' TO 'me'. your USAGE of letters here is ONLY CONFUSING 'things' MORE, FOR 'me'.
VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:17 pm
"Admitting" is normally associated with righting a wrong.
'Normal' in regards to who and/or what, EXACTLY?
Are you AWARE that within different countries and/or cultures people can associate 'things' COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, and to the EXTENT OF ACTUALLY OPPOSITELY?
VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:17 pm
As clarified, most of what I Know re Self - I Keep to Self.
Okay. So, who are 'you', SUPPOSEDLY, 'Clarifying your Understanding of Self' TO here, EXACTLY?
VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:17 pm
Once 'things' here are FAR BETTER UNDERSTOOD, and KNOWN, then WHY I SPEAK, WRITE, and QUESTION 'the way' I DO here will ALL COME-TO-LIGHT, and BE REVEALED.
Okay.
So, 'you' are CLAIMING that the saying, 'Changing one's mind', can be UNDERSTOOD in the context of that 'a mind' IS 'developing', right?
Not entirely.
Either way, to 'me', the saying, 'Changing one's mind' implies that there IS 'one', who HAS CONTROL OVER 'a mind', and thus WOULD BE 'the one' who is ACTUALLY 'creating' or 'developing' 'that mind', itself. Rather than WAITING for 'a mind' to be 'developed' BEFORE 'that one' could FIND OUT and ANSWER who and/or what 'they' ARE, EXACTLY.
Perhaps You might Think about Changing One's Mind re the Saying.
I have NOT just THOUGHT ABOUT 'it' I HAVE ACTUALLY DONE 'it'. As can be CLEARLY SEEN here throughout MY WORDS, in this forum.
VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:17 pm
I Understand The Mind as being all encompassing.
Is that the SAME one as the one you SAY and CLAIM each and EVER one of 'you', human beings, has one of?
VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:17 pm
The Repository of All That Is. Including the Minds of Growing Personalities (Human and Otherwise).
So, how, EXACTLY, can there be One ALL ENCOMPASSING Mind AS WELL AS MANY Minds?
VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:17 pm
ALL WILL BE REVEALED, eventually. But I just need to LEARN how-to BETTER communicate, or re-communicate, with 'you', human beings, by BY-PASSING 'your' ALREADY in USE, MISUSE of words, and definitions, which have become habitually USED, in the days when this is being written.
Okay.
Is that to say that you think/claim that I am not saying what I mean or meaning what I say?
Yes.
Okay.
Yes, VERY MUCH SO.
Even 'your' USE of the phrase 'developing mind' FITS IN PERFECTLY here, in regards to DEVELOPING the Right 'language' so that ALL-OF-THIS CAN and DOES BECOME FULLY UNDERSTOOD BY EVERY one. As SO MUCH OF what 'you', posters, DO SAY, and WRITE, here, IS VERY MUCH HELPING in the DEVELOPING of the Correct WORDING.
I find the Language interesting. What is the Write Way to Right Something?
Did you ASK 'this' 'that way' on PURPOSE?
Also, the 'Right way' to write some 'thing' would be in A way' in which EVERY one who was reading 'it' could UNDERSTAND 'it'.
VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:17 pm
One cannot always pinpoint exactly what stage of development a thing is currently at, therefore another asking for an exactness, is an unrealistic expectation.
But there WAS NO 'expectation' AT ALL.
You did not ask?
BUT I DID ASK. However, I was NOT 'expecting' that 'you' were YET READY TO ANSWER 'it', properly AND Correctly.
VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:17 pm
I just ASK CLARIFYING QUESTIONS here, in this forum, FROM a Truly OPEN perspective, to just ASCERTAIN, and SHOW, whereabouts 'you', human beings, ARE/WERE, EXACTLY, on the 'evolutionary continuum' in regarding to the Universe/Life/Consciousness, Itself, COMING-TO-KNOW It/thy Self.
Okay.
VERY True AND Correct in regards to BETTER NOT TO PRESUME 'one way or the other', regarding ANY 'one's' knowledge.
Also, ALL of 'my', learned along 'the way' and gathered, knowledge IS EXTREMELY 'forth-coming'.
I just WAIT for 'those' who ARE Truly INTERESTED, OPEN, and CURIOS.
As can be CLEARLY SEEN here, in this forum, when EVERY time I express absolutely ANY idea or view, which appears 'new', 'ridiculous', or 'not consistent with popular nor 'current' belief', then 'it' IS 'I' who gets ACCUSED OF, or ATTACKED FOR, being AUTISTIC, INSANE, or of HAVING some sort of OTHER 'mental disorder'.
I have been 'forth-coming' and have brought knowledge forward, ALREADY. I am ALSO CONTINUALLY ASKING to be QUESTIONED and/or CHALLENGED OVER absolutely EVERY 'thing' I SAY, and WRITE, here. So, 'this knowledge' is ALWAYS 'forth-coming'.
Okay.
Where was it written "not yet" a human personality?
'you' SAID that, 'The mind that 'you' are referring to is the one that 'you' ARE developing as a human personality.'
So, if it IS 'you', who, supposedly, HAS 'a mind', which 'you' ARE 'developing', as a 'human personality', then that MEANS that 'you', or 'that i', is NOT YET a 'human personality', so that is WHERE 'it' WAS WRITTEN 'not yet' 'a human personality'. Well, to 'me', anyway.
Okay. To You. It appears to be that way, from what I have written.
As can be SEEN here, I have been and WAS talking ABOUT in relation TO 'ways of' 'thinking' ABOUT 'things' and/or the 'knowing' OF 'things'. But, like a LOT of times throughout this forum 'MY ACTUAL WORDS' GET MISSED, MISINTERPRETED, or JUST MISUNDERSTOOD'. And, as can be CLEARLY SEEN here LOOK AT just how MUCH EFFORT went into WRITING ALL of the examples above here, which I think will be FOUND have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL to DO WITH what I was talking ABOUT and REFERRING TO, EXACTLY.
Chat GPT gave those examples and that took about 3 seconds plus a couple more for me to copy and paste.
Oh yes I FORGOT ABOUT 'copy and paste'. THANK YOU FOR POINTING 'this' OUT and Correcting 'me'.
VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:17 pm
Or, in what WAY, EXACTLY, sounds God-like?
Expressions of confidences in ones ability to make claims which are generally not regarded as being humanly possible.
And, as I CONTINUALLY SAY I STAND BEHIND absolutely EVERY 'thing' I SAY, and WRITE, here, and WILL back up and support what I SAY, and WRITE, here. That is; IF absolutely ANY one would like to QUESTION and/or CHALLENGE 'Me' OVER absolutely ANY 'thing' I SAY, and WRITE, here.
Okay...

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