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Dontaskme wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 6:05 pm
Skepdick wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 5:57 pm Which part about living longer == being safer confused you so I can explain it to you?
Well, for one thing, I know we can all live longer by not killing each other, that's not too difficult to explain.

But then if we are to live as though we are a threat to each that we have to carry weapons of self-defence, then I guess none of us are as safe as we would like to believe, are we?
Again. Which part confused you.

I have no idea how safe; or unsafe I am.

If I can mitigate more risks than you can means I won’t exit life as early as you.

If none of it makes a difference in your view go live life and skydive without a parachute
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Skepdick wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 6:10 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 6:05 pm
Skepdick wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 5:57 pm Which part about living longer == being safer confused you so I can explain it to you?
Well, for one thing, I know we can all live longer by not killing each other, that's not too difficult to explain.

But then if we are to live as though we are a threat to each that we have to carry weapons of self-defence, then I guess none of us are as safe as we would like to believe, are we?
Again. Which part confused you.

I have no idea how safe; or unsafe I am.

If I can mitigate more risks than you can means I won’t exit life as early as you.
But the point is, why create the risk in the first place when you don't have to?
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Skepdick wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 6:10 pm If none of it makes a difference in your view go live life and skydive without a parachute
I wouldn't dream of skydiving without a parachute, simply because it's a guaranteed certain death wish to do so. I have no such death wish.

On the other hand. I know I do not have to own a gun to guarantee my life will be safe, and that is the difference. So please do not put words in my mouth that I am saying none of it makes a difference.
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Dontaskme wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 6:12 pm
Skepdick wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 6:10 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 6:05 pm

Well, for one thing, I know we can all live longer by not killing each other, that's not too difficult to explain.

But then if we are to live as though we are a threat to each that we have to carry weapons of self-defence, then I guess none of us are as safe as we would like to believe, are we?
Again. Which part confused you.

I have no idea how safe; or unsafe I am.

If I can mitigate more risks than you can means I won’t exit life as early as you.
But the point is, why create the risk in the first place when you don't have to?
We didn’t. The risk (reality) was here when we arrived.
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Skepdick wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 6:10 pm Again. Which part confused you.

I have no idea how safe; or unsafe I am.

If I can mitigate more risks than you can means I won’t exit life as early as you.

You, we, all of us cannot control how or when it is time for any of us to die by the natural force that is not of man's intervention or doing.

However, you, we, all of us, can exercise perfect control over whether or not we kill each other using the very machines and very useful commodities, including all the lethal weapons which we have cleverly crafted with our bare hands. But life for humanity, seems to be mainly, all about the money, in that, how much money can we make, we must strive only to make a profit, and is why money is much more important than people ever will be.

That's the life we are living, we are living to make money, and for nothing else. We could live like all the other animals in nature and have nothing to do with money at all. Animals who do not live for and about money. But no human being has ever thought about that sort of life have they, rather, they invented money as a way to live a more civilised life than an animal would, which is the most ironic statement ever made, so it turns out.
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Dontaskme wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 6:34 pm
Skepdick wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 6:10 pm Again. Which part confused you.

I have no idea how safe; or unsafe I am.

If I can mitigate more risks than you can means I won’t exit life as early as you.

You, we, all of us cannot control how or when it is time for any of us to die by the natural force that is not of man's intervention or doing.
So you don’t control when you die when you skydive with a parachute?

Ok…
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Skepdick wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 6:31 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 6:12 pm
Skepdick wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 6:10 pm
Again. Which part confused you.

I have no idea how safe; or unsafe I am.

If I can mitigate more risks than you can means I won’t exit life as early as you.
But the point is, why create the risk in the first place when you don't have to?
We didn’t. The risk (reality) was here when we arrived.
So then what's the point in trying to defend a risk that one is already born into? How is defending oneself from the risk one is born into ever going to make the risk go away? it's just going to perpetuate the risk even more than it is already.
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Harbal wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 5:26 pm
henry quirk wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 5:18 pm
Harbal wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 5:08 pm

I have to admit that the word, "property", does sound more innocent than the word, "gun". :roll:
My shotgun is my property, yes?

Do you want to classify my shotgun as sumthin' other than property? If so, explain your thinkin'.
Other than for the purpose of insuring it, I see no reason to classify it as anything other than a gun.
My gun, yes? My car, yes? My house, yes?

If only we has a generic placeholder for things that belong to me, or you, or anyone.

Possessions? Belongings? I guess those are unnecessary too? Perhaps my and mine ought to go as well?

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Dontaskme wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 6:37 pm
Skepdick wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 6:31 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 6:12 pm

But the point is, why create the risk in the first place when you don't have to?
We didn’t. The risk (reality) was here when we arrived.
So then what's the point in trying to defend a risk that one is already born into? How is defending oneself from the risk one is born into ever going to make the risk go away? it's just going to perpetuate the risk even more than it is already.
You sound like somebody who wants to stop living sooner rather than later.

Why are you questioning me instead of heading for the exit?
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Skepdick wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 6:36 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 6:34 pm
Skepdick wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 6:10 pm Again. Which part confused you.

I have no idea how safe; or unsafe I am.

If I can mitigate more risks than you can means I won’t exit life as early as you.

You, we, all of us cannot control how or when it is time for any of us to die by the natural force that is not of man's intervention or doing.
So you don’t control when you die when you skydive with a parachute?

Ok…
Not using a parachute means certain death without one, so yes using one is a form of controlling when I die as and through the knowledge I have. But that's not what is being discussed here is it?

You are not controlling when you die, just by thinking that owning a gun will keep you safe? because no one who owns a gun has any prior knowledge that they will surely die if they are not owning a gun, or carrying a gun on them everywhere they go.
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Dontaskme wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 6:47 pm Not using a parachute means certain death without one, so yes using one is a form of controlling when I die as and through the knowledge I have. But that's not what is being discussed here is it?
It's exactly what's being discussed.

Nobody is safe. Safety is an illusion. Nothing can guarantee a safe passage in life. You can't decide when it's your time to go.

So why the parachute?
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henry quirk wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 5:44 pm
commonsense wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 5:31 pmIf you don’t own one, it cannot be stolen by someone who commits armed robbery and kills an innocent. It cannot be used by you to kill innocent people in the future, should you become inclined to do so.
The two assumptions here are...

1- I'm not capable of securing my property.

2- I might commit a crime.

Can you offer any evidence of either?
No.

Can you offer any evidence that neither will ever occur in the future?
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Skepdick wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 6:45 pm You sound like somebody who wants to stop living sooner rather than later.

Why are you questioning me instead of heading for the exit?
I'm not the one who likes to play with guns, or believes that gun ownership gives one the sense of being safer.

I think it's you who is most scared of living here, not me. So don't load your insecurities onto to me as if they were mine.
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commonsense wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 6:51 pm Can you offer any evidence that neither will ever occur in the future?
Can you offer any evidence that either will ever occur in future?
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Dontaskme wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 6:52 pm I'm not the one who likes to play with guns, or believes that gun ownership gives one the sense of being safer.
Well, it's not just a sense. It's more like a fact.

I am still here. The guys who tried to murder me aren't. So I guess it's was a bit like a parachute - if I didn't have it...
Dontaskme wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 6:52 pm I think it's you who is most scared of living here, not me. So don't load your insecurities onto to me as if they were mine.
Which part of me attempting to live as long as possible is me being "scared of living"?
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